Bleeding Orange wrote:Anonymous wrote:Spart43 wrote:[quote="tekekini]
Its all stupidity on the players behavior and has nothing to do with the university athletics cheating.
The players are a direct reflection of the university. This shows what type of players they are recruiting. You cannot release the university from its responsibilty when its players do something stupid, the university is the one that brought them there. Same with alumni.
They can not control what the players do. They can tell them what they can or can not do but they cant control wether the player actually listens or takes it to heart. Its a fault within the player. The players are trying to impress to get to the schools. Once they get there their real sides show.
The coaches/university doesnt get that good of an idea what the kids are like.
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sure they take character witnesses from friends or family, but they arent going to tell the whole truth. Some kids get there and dont know how to handle the spotlight and that is NOT smething that you can expect the university to predict.
if you were a poor football player not allowed to have a job and someone offers you $500 for no reason you are going to think about it. Most kids turn it down (smart) but some have character flaws and take it.
First of all, if a school recruits character, they get character. OSU fans always wonder why they get crap for Maurice Clarett when he only played there for a year, but the fact of the matter is, OSU recruited him. They wanted him to be a part of their program, and a major face for it. Like it or not, whenever Maurice has a run-in with the law (which he may not again for 30 years or so...), it is going to reflect poorly upon OSU and their football program.
When an AD is not informing its boosters of NCAA regulations (and all AD's know who their boosters are - follow the money trail...), a lot of those boosters are not going to know what they can and can not do. Bowling Green, for example, makes every effort possible to inform its boosters of NCAA regulations not only for current student athletes, but prospective student athletes, as well. I have been privy to many of these efforts myself. And, as a result of these efforts, boosters for BGSU (and yes, we do have many of them - what a surprise!), BGSU has run a very, very clean program for quite some time now.[/quote]
Thats great and all but OSU does the same thing. They hold a classes every summer or fall I believe that all athletes and boosters MUST attend to go over the very same thngs that the BG boosters do as you have said.
This was a big part of why they had banned this guy from the university for life. He was on the attendance roster for these classes, he was there. This was noted all up and down the news when the troy smith incident happened.
The university does in fact provide the same typ of deal that BG does with boosters AND players.
They take every step possible to prevent the kids from doing the stupid mistakes and the boosters too. At this point is it not beyond the institutions scope? At this point is it not all on the players and boosters to behave?
This is why I believe it is bogus for things like this to be reflected back on the university so poorly by media, and well, you guys too.
I can see why the Jim O'briend scandal deal was made to such a big deal. That one is obvious but you need to give the university AD some props on how to handle it. I think they handled it well. The only thing that the institution did wrong was to hire a coach who turned out to make a mistake (which everyone makes mistakes). The only thing the NCAA is discussing is to see if the punishment OSU gave itself was enough. It is no longer abig deal, i imagine the NCAA will say the team is fine.
I disagree about clarrett still reflecting bad on OSU. I believe that most people do not associtae him with them too much. Yes, when they mention his arrests on the news they say former osu running back, but no one really cares. Everyone knows who he was. I think most people sit there and think about how he ruined his whole life on his own. How he had all the talent in the world and was primed for the big time and all he had to do was be patient because he money was comming. Now he is poor and has to mug people. Everything he is doing is all him.
Does USC look bad because OJ murders people? They recruited him! But nobody cares where he went to school.
The Troy Smith incident, I believe reflects on how well OSU handles situations more than it reflects bad on the university. As mentioned above Troy and the booster attended the same type of classes/seminars whatever you want to call it. The incident still happened and they punished both of them for it. The booster got it the worst because he definately should know better. Troy was just breaking out, had just kicked michigans ass, he had not grown up yet and didnt quite know how o handle the sudden fame he was getting.
We can all sit here and tell him how bad he was for that and dog on him until he is gone but if you were in the same situation you would atleast think about it and hope no one knew about it. If you say you wouldnt then you are a liar.
My point is that people blow these incidents way out of proportion. They see the NCAA is getting involved and think these are big deals. They are not. The ncaa is going to say how well they did in handling them and no NCAA punishments will be handed down.
If it was really cheating then, they could have not suspended Troy, let him play in the Alamo Bowl that year, waited until the summer and hope it was never caught and if it was then deal with the NCAA. It never even got close to that. Smith was suspended faster than you can say the word. O'Brien was fired in less than a week of his incident. They didnt wait for any invesitagtions to even start. Good job!
These 9 incidents that J4H is so hard up about talking about have nothing to do with cheating. they are about poor judegemnt and character flaws on players and a coach who was fired.
Troy has grown up now, I believe. You can see it in his interviews, how he acts on the field as a leader. He has a new found trust in his coaches and players and he is ready to take it a step up this year. Tresell has done a good job turning this kid into somethng, wether you want to believe it or not.
