Will Lloyd Carr finish the season at scUM?

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:17 am

Falconfreak90 wrote:
Coach Brandon can't win, no matter what, with some folks here

Sure he can. All he has to do is win the MAC. Then we can talk extension. If you guys want to give him one after splitting against two "okay" teams from the B11, that's your business. We do look vastly improved at this point, and Brandon deserves a lot of credit for that. But, it's not smart to forget that he's also the guy that got us to the point where we needed this much improvement just to be competitive when talking contracts.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:30 am

Falconfreak90 wrote:The ST's are VASTLY improved.

I'll go so far as to say the punting has improved. Our kick return team is still awful, we seem to start inside the 20 on every kickoff. Our kickoff coverage is awful, the opponent is starting at the 35 or 40 every time. The punt return is decent with Corey in there, but Zach Charles fumbled one away this week that the refs missed (according to the radio guys).

So I can agree that the special teams have improved, but that is mostly because it couldn't get worse then what it was last year. It still has a ways to go before I would say VASTLY improved.

JoeFalcon · Post by **JoeFalcon** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:33 am

I gained a lot of respect for Carr after reading his postgame comments following the Oregon game.

Obviously football at Michigan is a business and he's paid to win games, but he really captured what pure sports competition should be about:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti ... 90702/1054

On the bright side, he hasn't gotten the dreaded 'vote of confidence' that Eastern Michigan just gave Jeff Genyk.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:37 pm

Falconfreak90 wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
Schadenfreude wrote:
goofyeuph wrote:Right now I feel about Lloyd Carr the same way I feel about Greg Brandon. I'm not ready to call for his head yet, but he is on a very short leash.
Are you serious? I'd give Brandon a three-year extension today.

I'm serious. The last two weeks tell me all I need to know.
Two weeks don't erase the last two years. Thank God you're not the AD.
And thank God you aren't either....

Word.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:57 pm

JoeFalcon wrote:I gained a lot of respect for Carr after reading his postgame comments following the Oregon game.

Obviously football at Michigan is a business and he's paid to win games, but he really captured what pure sports competition should be about:

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti ... 90702/1054

On the bright side, he hasn't gotten the dreaded 'vote of confidence' that Eastern Michigan just gave Jeff Genyk.

That was a pretty cool statement. Everything else aside, I love an outlook on life like that.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:21 pm

Lloyd Carr has more class in his big toenail then all of the OSU fans combined.

KeyWestParrot · Post by **KeyWestParrot** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:39 pm

BG Drew, I couldn't agree more.

I couldn't agree more. While I can't stand the Buckeyes, the way they handled the Earl Bruce firing was one of the most embarassing moments in school history. They also handled John Cooper poorly as well. I hate going to games there anymore, the fans are obnoxious and treat people like crap.

I couldn't believe the things that were said to me when I went down for the BG game a couple years ago. Just all the more reason I don't give a crap about the so called 'BCS' conferences anymore.

Michigan will not get treat Lloyd Carr the same way OSU treated Bruce and Cooper.

It's the Journey... · Post by **It's the Journey...** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:51 pm

BGDrew wrote:Lloyd Carr has more class in his big toenail then all of the OSU fans combined.

Well, I guess I have no class at all then...

I am a fan of OSU, as long as they are not playing BG, and I know many others who feel just like I do. To make a general statement like that only discredits your position. It's a shame how often the BG/OSU pissing match has to come up in good conversations when it is not needed. So BGDrew, I will take my class (or lack thereof according to your way of thinking) and be done with this thread.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:22 pm

It's the Journey... wrote:Well, I guess I have no class at all then... I am a fan of OSU, as long as they are not playing BG, and I know many others who feel just like I do. To make a general statement like that only discredits your position. It's a shame how often the BG/OSU pissing match has to come up in good conversations when it is not needed. So BGDrew, I will take my class (or lack thereof according to your way of thinking) and be done with this thread.

First, I could care less who you root for. Your allegiances weren't being challenged. Second, why comment on a thread over 2 weeks old which hasn't had a reply in that time? Third, did you smile or crack a joke at Carr's expense when he got beat by App. State? Fourth, I don't care how much credit I have in your eyes or those OSU fans who were talking about a man's livelihood and insulting him as he was beat by an excellent ASU team. All those fans who laughed at Carr possibly being fired are probably the same people who would bitch and complain if they got their pink slip on Monday for not having enough sales and be angry when they were made fun of.

BG had nothing to do with this, yet you try to bring it into the discussion? And now you play the "You're it, I quit" defense? You don't want to discuss a topic, don't comment. But don't try to get cutesy by trying to have the last word.

It's the Journey... · Post by **It's the Journey...** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:47 pm

Well, lets look at this one at at time shall we.

First, I could care less who you root for. Your allegiances weren't being challenged.

We will just have to agree to disagree on this one. I am an OSU fan. You said "all" OSU fans and that includes me even it they are not my primary team to cheer for.

Second, why comment on a thread over 2 weeks old which hasn't had a reply in that time?

If you look at the time stamps you will see that I replied to this thread on 9/9/2007 and you made your post on 9/10/2007. The only thing that made me look at this again was the post by KeyWestParrot today. I had not looked at this thread since before you make your comments, therefore I did not respond to them until now.

Third, did you smile or crack a joke at Carr's expense when he got beat by App. State?

Who didn't? I know Michigan fans who cracked jokes at Carr;s expense. We crack jokes at Toledo Tom all the time, what is the difference?

Fourth, I don't care how much credit I have in your eyes or those OSU fans who were talking about a man's livelihood and insulting him as he was beat by an excellent ASU team. All those fans who laughed at Carr possibly being fired are probably the same people who would bitch and complain if they got their pink slip on Monday for not having enough sales and be angry when they were made fun of.

Again, I know Michigan who were cracking jokes about Carr as well. And I have never said anything to discredit ASU. They played their asses off and deserved to win that game. But here we go again with the generalizations.

BG had nothing to do with this, yet you try to bring it into the discussion? And now you play the "You're it, I quit" defense? You don't want to discuss a topic, don't comment. But don't try to get cutesy by trying to have the last word.

When I am wrong I will say so and I confused your post with another concerning BG. I apologize for that. But my point here is why generalize when you cannot possible do so accurately? I do not think anyone can ever say "All fans of (insert teams name here) do this or do not do that. It just doesn't work.

KeyWestParrot · Post by **KeyWestParrot** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:08 pm

Hey man....keep me out of your feud!

But one thing I don't get is why are all these OSU fans purchasing App. State shirts, hats etc. I could understand it if OSU was playing Michigan at home this year but by the time they play next year at OSU it will be almost two full seasons since Mich. played App. State. Won't the effect have worn off by then?

It's the Journey... · Post by **It's the Journey...** » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:13 pm

I'm not trying to draw you in. I just used your post as a reference point, nothing more. I don't understand why ASU merchandise is such a hot item now either. It's not like a shirt will be of historical importance, a program or ticket stub yes but not a shirt. Oh well, its not a big deal to me and if this means there is a little more money for the program then it's all good.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:22 am

It's the Journey... wrote:I'm not trying to draw you in. I just used your post as a reference point, nothing more. I don't understand why ASU merchandise is such a hot item now either. It's not like a shirt will be of historical importance, a program or ticket stub yes but not a shirt. Oh well, its not a big deal to me and if this means there is a little more money for the program then it's all good.

Plus, most OSU fans don't realize that it isn't just Michigan who was embarrassed by that loss. Nationally, the entire Big 11's reputation will suffer for that loss, especially given the fact that ASU lost this past week to another 1AA school. What stuns me about the whole situation is the conference-wide ignorance of how the Big 11 is perceived nationally. Michigan's loss to ASU just proved what everyone in the country has been saying about the conference for years - that is has been completely overrated.

But, if it does sell more merchandise for a deserving school, then the whole thing is awesome. Personally, though, seeing unwitting Big 11 fans with egg all over their faces is even more awesome. Super awesome, I would venture.

jpfalcon09 · Post by **jpfalcon09** » Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:22 am

Bleeding Orange wrote:
It's the Journey... wrote:I'm not trying to draw you in. I just used your post as a reference point, nothing more. I don't understand why ASU merchandise is such a hot item now either. It's not like a shirt will be of historical importance, a program or ticket stub yes but not a shirt. Oh well, its not a big deal to me and if this means there is a little more money for the program then it's all good.
Plus, most OSU fans don't realize that it isn't just Michigan who was embarrassed by that loss. Nationally, the entire Big 11's reputation will suffer for that loss, especially given the fact that ASU lost this past week to another 1AA school. What stuns me about the whole situation is the conference-wide ignorance of how the Big 11 is perceived nationally. Michigan's loss to ASU just proved what everyone in the country has been saying about the conference for years - that is has been completely overrated.

But, if it does sell more merchandise for a deserving school, then the whole thing is awesome. Personally, though, seeing unwitting Big 11 fans with egg all over their faces is even more awesome. Super awesome, I would venture.

Overrated might be an understatement. The Big 11 is regarded by most of the pundits as the worst BCS conference this year, even before the App. State debacle. Michigan showed the team they are against Penn State, so I think OSU fans can hide those shirts and be worried about their game this year in the Big House. Aside from that, Minnesota, Northwestern, Iowa, Illinois and Indiana are all mediocre, Wisky has had it's fair struggles, Purdue and Ohio State haven't been tested yet (don't say at Washington was a test), Michigan State still has the jury out and Penn State got it's lunch handed to it by a much improved Michigan defense.

As BO said, it's a conference built on marketing, hype and 6-figure slappies who get their excitement from talking about how "great" the Big 11 is. Michigan or OSU could both be 0-11 going into their final game and the build up for it would still be enormous, it's the state of the conference and it's sad by how the mainstream media treats it like it's still a powerhouse.

It'd be great to see the Big 11 do what it does in basketball and do an ACC/Big 11 type of challenge. I'd love to see the Big 11 schools play those in the SEC and see who comes out on top in terms of total record. Point being, until the media gets rid of it's hard on for the Big 11, it will continue to be an overrated conference whose best days are behind it.