Ohio Mr. Football player Raymond Williams to play at Toledo

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BGDrew wrote:Nope, I just get offended when the validity of the program I'm in (SMRT) is questioned. You should really read most of my posts before you assume I "don't know much about jokes and humor." You know what happens when you assume, Amstutz eats a small army.
SMRT - what does that stand for? I assume (you don't want to get into assumptions with Brandon, he will give you a headache) it is some sort of Recreation degree?


Oh, I've read your posts. If you think that is humor then it is a good thing you are not studying to be a comedian. :shock:
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SMRT: Sport Management, Recreation, and Tourism. I am a Tourism major.

Back to the subject at hand, if you honestly think he won't be joining the football team you're full of it. Just the ability to say you got a Mr. Football on your team will be enough reason to get him on the team.
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BGDrew wrote:SMRT: Sport Management, Recreation, and Tourism. I am a Tourism major.

Back to the subject at hand, if you honestly think he won't be joining the football team you're full of it. Just the ability to say you got a Mr. Football on your team will be enough reason to get him on the team.
I don't remember saying that he won't end up on the football team. Personally, I have doubts that he will be on the team come our first game but I never said I think he won't end up on the football team at some point. Currently, he is not on the roster. If everything goes well he will find himself on the team in August. How big of an if that is though is the question. Excuse me for not having the same faith that Amstutz has in Ray Williams.
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You honestly think that Amstutz won't let a Mr. Football on to his team?
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BGDrew wrote:You honestly think that Amstutz won't let a Mr. Football on to his team?
In defense of rocketfootball, I don't think he's saying that.
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1987alum wrote:
BGDrew wrote:You honestly think that Amstutz won't let a Mr. Football on to his team?
In defense of rocketfootball, I don't think he's saying that.
Thank you.

BGDrew - I guess it depends on what your definition of Amstutz letting him on the team is. If Williams stays clean (in all aspects of his life) I believe Amstutz will let him play. I just don't have the same faith that he will stay clean, and if he doesn't stay clean Amstutz is not going to let him on the team.

Are you saying that you think Amstutz will let him on the team even if he doesn't stay clean?
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I think the core issue here is....would this guy be getting this chance if he were a 3rd string tight end? If you think yes then you are most likely kidding yourself. You can say all you want about Amstutz's good intentions being the driving force, but this kid is getting this chance because he's a potential impact player.

I have no doubt Amstutz has good intentions, and I have no doubt that Amstutz only wants what's best for the kid, but he's thinking of the team at the same time, as he should. If I were a UT guy, I would not be happy he was let anywhere near the team -- just like I'm not happy about the Nick Lawrence situation here.
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rocketfootball wrote:
1987alum wrote:
BGDrew wrote:You honestly think that Amstutz won't let a Mr. Football on to his team?
In defense of rocketfootball, I don't think he's saying that.
Thank you.

BGDrew - I guess it depends on what your definition of Amstutz letting him on the team is. If Williams stays clean (in all aspects of his life) I believe Amstutz will let him play. I just don't have the same faith that he will stay clean, and if he doesn't stay clean Amstutz is not going to let him on the team.

Are you saying that you think Amstutz will let him on the team even if he doesn't stay clean?
I apologize for the multiple quotes but want to include them all just to clean things up.

If the guy was invited to work out with the team (which it is my understanding he was granted an invite to try out) it's very safe to say the kid probably is a preferred walk on.

If the kid doesn't keep his nose clean, Amstutz will cut him. I'm pretty sure that he's still on zero tolerance as part of his probation.
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Jacobs4Heisman wrote:I think the core issue here is....would this guy be getting this chance if he were a 3rd string tight end? If you think yes then you are most likely kidding yourself. You can say all you want about Amstutz's good intentions being the driving force, but this kid is getting this chance because he's a potential impact player.

I have no doubt Amstutz has good intentions, and I have no doubt that Amstutz only wants what's best for the kid, but he's thinking of the team at the same time, as he should. If I were a UT guy, I would not be happy he was let anywhere near the team -- just like I'm not happy about the Nick Lawrence situation here.
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But, I understand the underlying basis of your argument and to that, I'd say no, he wouldn't be given a chance if he were not a RB or TE.
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BGDrew wrote: If the guy was invited to work out with the team (which it is my understanding he was granted an invite to try out) it's very safe to say the kid probably is a preferred walk on.

If the kid doesn't keep his nose clean, Amstutz will cut him. I'm pretty sure that he's still on zero tolerance as part of his probation.

Ray Williams has asked to walk-on to the football team again (last time the answer was no), and he has been told he will be allowed to participate in Spring drills and a decision based on how he does in general (mostly not talking about on the field stuff) will be made over the summer.

My guess is that if he stays clean, he comes into practice in August as a preferred walk-on. The reason I say that is because only preferred walk-on are allowed to be on the team until after the fall semester of classes has started and I don't think that is Amstutz' thought on this.

As for the "keeping his nose clean" comment. He does have a zero tolerance "legal-wise" as part of his probation. But keep in mind that "keeping his nose clean" is not just staying out of legal trouble and maintaining at least a "C" average, which is needed so that he doesn't violate his probation.
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