LETS GO Oklahoma!!!

[98_BG_GRAD]

If this year doesn't scream "We need a playoff" I don't know what does. Also, I think it's about damn time the Big 10 says "Hey, guess what. We're the Big 10 and we're having a championship game." Or, what would be really nice, would be to have Notre Dame grow a set and join up so the Big 10 can have a legitimate championship game. As for the Buckeyes backing in, it's not really their fault. Before the beginning of every season, in the conferences with 12 or more teams, a represetative from each school meets with the other reps and they vote as to whether or not they will have a conference championship game. Mizzou and WVU could be done right now and the National Championship game could be set. Do I think OSU deserves a chance at the National Championship game? Yes. They led the nation in scoring defense and many other categories, but I think it would be better if there were a playoff but we all know that is unlikely to happen any time soon. If OSU makes it into the NCG, then go Bucks, otherwise, I hope they destroy the Pac10 Champ in the Rose Bowl.

I could be wrong, but I believe a conference has to have at least 12 teams to have a championship game, so under its current alignment the Big 10 cannot have a championship game. Adding Notre Dame would solve that, plus it would probably give most teams in the league an automatic victory every year...lol. I don't see ND joing a league anytime soon, IMO.

I think if you asked most college coaches, they would be against a conference championship game. I think I remember Tom Osborn being one of the biggest opponents to the Big 12 having a title game back in the early '90s. It can help, but it seems more often than not, it hurts both leagues and schools. This year, Mizzou could already be in the national title game, but if they lose to OU, they are out and the Big 12 loses a rep in the national title game. And obviously conference championship games generate a ton of revenue for these leagues. An extra game with 70,000-plus people and cash from the TV networks.

[Peregrinner]

Yeah, seems to me it's a trade-off between potential upside (extra conference revenue from a conference champ game) and potential downside (possible extra chance to lose and miss out on BSC title berth).

Honestly though, at this point, I couldn't care less about any college football that doesn't involve BGSU.

[Falconfreak90]

Honestly though, at this point, I couldn't care less about any college football that doesn't involve BGSU.

How beautiful is that statement????

Personally, I never did like Pinkel but to see Mizzou and West Virginia in the title game would be cool with me. No SEC, no Big Ten and no PAC 10 in the title game.

[tekekini]

This year is actually a good argument AGAINST a playoff system.

We start off with rankings...were Kansas and Mizzou in the top 25 to start the year? No to both!!

Did they both end up in the drivers seat because they both just shut up and won football games? Yes.

Was LSU #1? Yes, did they lose it? yes. Twice!

Did USC have a shot? Yes, they lost it early, twice.

OSU, Oregon, Oklahoma, Florida, they all lost the chance. The season is a playoff. Those who survive, make it.

OSU has the chance because they had survived.

Like I said, it is not OSU's fault that they sit in the clubhouse with 1 less loss than everyone behind them. That is LSU's fault, that is USC, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, all of their faults.

It is a playoff.

[BGDrew]

There's no reason you can't keep the BCS ranking as a form of setting up the bracket. The biggest issues will always be:

- Money
- "Football Championship Subdivision" already plays for the Division 1 National Championship.

[MajorFalcon92]

This year is actually a good argument AGAINST a playoff system.

We start off with rankings...were Kansas and Mizzou in the top 25 to start the year? No to both!!

Did they both end up in the drivers seat because they both just shut up and won football games? Yes.

Was LSU #1? Yes, did they lose it? yes. Twice!

Did USC have a shot? Yes, they lost it early, twice.

OSU, Oregon, Oklahoma, Florida, they all lost the chance. The season is a playoff. Those who survive, make it.

OSU has the chance because they had survived.

Like I said, it is not OSU's fault that they sit in the clubhouse with 1 less loss than everyone behind them. That is LSU's fault, that is USC, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, all of their faults.

It is a playoff.

So then Hawaii should be playing in the BCS championship game? Where did they lose their chance?

Funny how OSU fans can just about justify anything. Not sure I really ever met an objective one, at least not in Columbus.

[tekekini]

This year is actually a good argument AGAINST a playoff system.

We start off with rankings...were Kansas and Mizzou in the top 25 to start the year? No to both!!

Did they both end up in the drivers seat because they both just shut up and won football games? Yes.

Was LSU #1? Yes, did they lose it? yes. Twice!

Did USC have a shot? Yes, they lost it early, twice.

OSU, Oregon, Oklahoma, Florida, they all lost the chance. The season is a playoff. Those who survive, make it.

OSU has the chance because they had survived.

Like I said, it is not OSU's fault that they sit in the clubhouse with 1 less loss than everyone behind them. That is LSU's fault, that is USC, Florida, Georgia, Oklahoma, all of their faults.

It is a playoff.

So then Hawaii should be playing in the BCS championship game? Where did they lose their chance?

Funny how OSU fans can just about justify anything. Not sure I really ever met an objective one, at least not in Columbus.

Well, unfortunately, I didnt make the rules and Hawaii is not in a BCS conference. If they were, then yes, they are in the title game but they are not. Not my fault. It is an argument against a playoff with what we have. No one wants to see Hawaii in a BCS game anyways. The Bowls don't really want them, they dont travel, they generate no money for the local economies.

It is the animal we have to work with. Everybody just frickin deal with it.

No matter how much you whine, cry and bitch it won't change until they want it too. It will never include the MAC, WAC, Sun Belt...etc so why do you care about a playoff anyways.

You certainly can not make it a 16 team deal as someone had suggested. All Bowl Games would be meaningless and cease to exist. The universities will never agree to let the players out of school long enough. There is too much money spent for the teams to have to travel, hotels, etc. They would not make money from the playoff games because they are used for playoffs instead of a traditional bowl.

The only thing feasible is to take the top 4 teams and have a 4 team/2 game play in. Winner of each game plays for a Championship. Take #1 v #4 and #2 v #3. Winners then play each other. This would be the plus one everyone talks about. The 1 v 4, 2 v 3 could be played in bowl games on a rotating basis (BCS bowls). Title game wouldn't pay out as the teams would get their revenues from the playoff/bowl game but the teams expenses are paid for, for the title game by the host of the game.

Thats the way I see it.

[BGDrew]

Well, unfortunately, I didnt make the rules and Hawaii is not in a BCS conference. If they were, then yes, they are in the title game but they are not. Not my fault. It is an argument against a playoff with what we have. No one wants to see Hawaii in a BCS game anyways. The Bowls don't really want them, they dont travel, they generate no money for the local economies.

It is the animal we have to work with. Everybody just frickin deal with it.

No matter how much you whine, cry and bitch it won't change until they want it too. It will never include the MAC, WAC, Sun Belt...etc so why do you care about a playoff anyways.

You certainly can not make it a 16 team deal as someone had suggested. All Bowl Games would be meaningless and cease to exist. The universities will never agree to let the players out of school long enough. There is too much money spent for the teams to have to travel, hotels, etc. They would not make money from the playoff games because they are used for playoffs instead of a traditional bowl.

The only thing feasible is to take the top 4 teams and have a 4 team/2 game play in. Winner of each game plays for a Championship. Take #1 v #4 and #2 v #3. Winners then play each other. This would be the plus one everyone talks about. The 1 v 4, 2 v 3 could be played in bowl games on a rotating basis (BCS bowls). Title game wouldn't pay out as the teams would get their revenues from the playoff/bowl game but the teams expenses are paid for, for the title game by the host of the game.

Thats the way I see it.

Where you're wrong:
- EVERY FBS conference (and Notre Dame) is now a member of the BCS. If you are the conference champion and ranked in the Top 12, you are guaranteed a spot in a BCS game. The ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac-10 receive automatic bids still. However, at the end of this year each conference will be considered and could be replaced. Just FYI, Hawai'i is currently ranked 12th and if the season ended today would be in a BCS game.

- A playoff+bowl system is entirely possible. Much in the way that that basketball has the Dance and NIT, football could have their own Dance and bowls for the top teams that didn't make it. The FBA doesn't want this because that means they don't make as much money. ESPN loves the bowl system as well and has the money to fight a playoff system.

- A 16 team playoff (where each of the 11 conference champions get an automatic invite) would only add 4 games to the schedule. Use a form of the BCS system to rank the teams. Cut the season down to 10 games (2 OOC) and you're talking about a season that's only 15 games at the most. This is only one more game than the 2002 BCS anOSU team played. Assuming you give every team a bye week, you're finished playing by January.

[Falcon137]

Where you're wrong:
- EVERY FBS conference (and Notre Dame) is now a member of the BCS. If you are the conference champion and ranked in the Top 12, you are guaranteed a spot in a BCS game. The ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, SEC, Pac-10 receive automatic bids still. However, at the end of this year each conference will be considered and could be replaced. Just FYI, Hawai'i is currently ranked 12th and if the season ended today would be in a BCS game.

- A playoff+bowl system is entirely possible. Much in the way that that basketball has the Dance and NIT, football could have their own Dance and bowls for the top teams that didn't make it. The FBA doesn't want this because that means they don't make as much money. ESPN loves the bowl system as well and has the money to fight a playoff system.

- A 16 team playoff (where each of the 11 conference champions get an automatic invite) would only add 4 games to the schedule. Use a form of the BCS system to rank the teams. Cut the season down to 10 games (2 OOC) and you're talking about a season that's only 15 games at the most. This is only one more game than the 2002 BCS anOSU team played. Assuming you give every team a bye week, you're finished playing by January.

The only people hurt in this would be the universities. With only 2 non-conference games and schools looking to get in the top 16 you no longer have the big pay out games for BG going to OSU or Mich St. Also take into account the millions lost by big programs losing 2 or 3 homes games a year. There is no way to remedy that. Even if the first 2 round are at host schools there would be schools that use football to fund everything losing out on all of that money. A 16 team playoff with a 10 game season regular season will never happen and should never happen.

[tekekini]

exactly, you can not take away two regular season games..that is revenue lost which is used to fund other non revenue sports. It is that way for every university. Also what would you do with all of the schools who dont make the playoffs..they are out two games and have no way of recouping any revenue by participating in the playoffs..the other sports now lose funding because the football teams had lost atleast 1 home game if not two since you want to take away two home games.

It will never work.

There is too much to take into account.

This is the best that we have whether we like it or not.

I dont like it either but it is better than it used to be when it was completely decided by polls and you didn't have to play anyone to win a title.

Deal with it.

[Bleeding Orange]

I dont like it either but it is better than it used to be when it was completely decided by polls and you didn't have to play anyone to win a title.

Deal with it.

I'm not trying to be a dick at all here, and I ceratainly don't want to get into the middle of this circle jerk, but I must respectfully point out that, if your Buckeyes were placed in the same position that...say...Auburn has been over the past few years, you wouldn't be encouraging others to "deal with it." Sure, you can claim that you would be, but trust me. You wouldn't be.

[BGDrew]

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug ... &type=lgns

Sort of what my plan would entail.

[Lord_Byron]

The only people hurt in this would be the universities. With only 2 non-conference games and schools looking to get in the top 16 you no longer have the big pay out games for BG going to OSU or Mich St. Also take into account the millions lost by big programs losing 2 or 3 homes games a year. There is no way to remedy that. Even if the first 2 round are at host schools there would be schools that use football to fund everything losing out on all of that money. A 16 team playoff with a 10 game season regular season will never happen and should never happen.

Let me start by saying that I'm 100% against any kind of playoff in D-1A. I like it the way it is because the regular season is fun for 12 weeks and I enjoy all the discussion and bloviating regarding who is number one. It's sports and it's supposed to be fun.

Now, I don't understand why putting in a playoff means cutting the number of games. Don't Div 1AA, 2 and 3 all play 12 games followed by a 16 team playoff?

[tekekini]

I dont like it either but it is better than it used to be when it was completely decided by polls and you didn't have to play anyone to win a title.

Deal with it.

I'm not trying to be a dick at all here, and I ceratainly don't want to get into the middle of this circle jerk, but I must respectfully point out that, if your Buckeyes were placed in the same position that...say...Auburn has been over the past few years, you wouldn't be encouraging others to "deal with it." Sure, you can claim that you would be, but trust me. You wouldn't be.

No I wouldn't and I can possibly prove it this year..Everyone has atleast 1 loss and OSU is currently # 3. If 1 and 2 win out then OSU is left out but they have the same situation that Auburn had when there was 3 undefeated teams and they got left out.

same siutation, only difference is there are 1 loss teams instead of undefeated.

[bgsukid]

The overrated Mizzou team beat Illinois on the road.

When did Illinois start playing their home games in the dome in St. Louis, Missouri?