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[Bleeding Orange]

They do not need school. The graduation rate BS is just one way for the NCAA to try to show it has power, but it is weak and flawed.

I take only the most extreme umbrage with both of these comments. There is only one component of this conversation that is weak and flawed, and it certainly isn't the NCAA in this instance.

Past history with you aside, I have long been of the opinion that people with your type of views should be allowed nowhere near a collegiate athletics facility. A lot of people say the NCAA is ruining collegiate athletic competition, but I say it is stupid, ignorant comments like this that are doing the bulk of the work.

Before you even get started, tek, I know. I know. I'm the ignorant one who is simply in denial of reality. (I thought I'd save you the typing effort, because I'm a nice guy like that).

[BGFalconfromCincy]

They don't graduate because they are leaving early at a high rate to make millions, more than enough to retire on, in the NFL. They do not need school.

this guy disagrees:

[Falconfreak90]

With this '08 class combined with the '07class...OSU may just get a couple of national titles..hell they are already going to have a NFL caliber O-Line by the time these kids are somphomores.

Are those anything like Oompa Loompas?

The o-line that they had recruited so far this year averages 6'5'', 320lbs and these kids havent even gotten into the OSU strength and conditioning program. They are now going to be about 3 deep on the depth chart in linebackers that could start anywhere else in the country, a WR from Michigan who bailed on the wolverinies who is drawing complarisons to Randy Moss's college days (on the field not off the field).

Give Beanie Wells and Brandon Sain an O-line like that in college to run with? Heisman!

We won't even need a great QB but my best bet is that Antonio Henton will be better than Troy Smith.

More than anything I love that he doesn't get the joke.

I got it...however, I choose to ignore ignorance and jokes made from pure jealousy.

Constant jealousness coming from you guys. Cry some more over the success of OSU and their continuous domination of the recruiting game. OSU recruits good players and makes them awesome players (Hawk, Lauranitus, Troy, Gonzo etc). They take awesome players and turn them into 1st rond draft picks and Heisman trophy winners and national title caliber team players.

I can see why you are jealous. You have mediocre QB's who leave a year early, a Coach who has survived off of a previous coach's success, a stadium collapsing before your eyes, a very pitiful tailgaiting experience, a horrible defense, an even more horrible offense and ugly uniforms.

Not too mention your stadium is surrounded absolutely nothing but a Speedway, a ugly golf course, I-75 and an Ohio EPA building on the other side of 75.


it is all crap up your way.

Ahh...but our kids actually go to class and graduate. Didja see the report again this year? 8th time in the last 10 years BG has a 70% or better graduation rate. Where was Ohio Skate? And your house is by the smelliest, dirtiest sewer infested river I've ever had the displeasure of seeing. I'm not jealous at all of all the NCAA infractions committed by those in Columbus. But I am sure proud of BGSU's CLEAN record with the NCAA.

Keep trying to build yourself up, Pooky, by trying to tear down BGSU, YOUR alma mater.

Seriously, why do you hang out here so much? You cry when people rip you or Zero State but you start it all the time. Talk about a complex....is the heat too high in your parents' basement or did they finally say you have to start paying your own ISP bill?

Have a nice day....

who cares about graduation rates. One, it is a flawed system, and athletes at OSU and athletes at BG are playing for two different things.

OSU athletes, especially football and basketball are playing for the NFL. OSU is a stepping stone, a 3 sometimes 4 year internship. They don't graduate because they are leaving early at a high rate to make millions, more than enough to retire on, in the NFL. They do not need school. The graduation rate BS is just one way for the NCAA to try to show it has power, but it is weak and flawed.

BG players are playing for a chance to try out for an NFL team but it is highly unlikely. 98% of BG's players are playing for the free schooling knowing that this is the end of their football careers. They have to go to school to have a chance at a decent job. All schools have their problems BG and OSU are both in the middle of the pack for graduation rates as a total school and for the football programs only. OSU if I remember right was at near 60% for just the football team..with 85% of the white players graduating compared to just about 40 or 45 of the african american players. I remember this because people made a big deal about the racial breakdowns that were done in the reports.

OSU has tremendously improved since Tressell took over. Cooper never gave a damn.

BG is not my alma mater. you have no proof.

You really do believe this stuff, don't you? I'm amazed at how you try to spin everything. But hey, if it gets you thru the day....

[tekekini]

believe in?? It is the reality.

You would be better off comparing the graduation rates of the schools overall including non student athletes. At least it is an overall picture.

Why would you want to compare graduation rates of student athletes to try to prove that one school is better academically or just the fact that one schools players go to class and the others doesn't?

It is irrelevant. You can not compare student athletes academic performances to prove one is better than the other, and who really cares if players are going to class besides the NCAA? It is not that kids are failing out of school, a great deal leave early for the NFL or for other reasons. OSU's football team had a higher GPA that BG last year did they not? I do believe so.

If there was a real minor league system in the NFL..you wouldnt even see these guys playing college football. They are only there because they have to be there before they go to the NFL.

You can either graduate 99 % of your players and never win anything and never make money through athletics or you can graduate 50-60 % win championships and make millions..to get one thing, you have to give up the other.

thats the reality of it.

[h2oville rocket]

We have a really neat smilie over on our board that I haven't seen here. It's a little guy making circles next to his head with his finger in the universal "Wack Job!" symbol. I believe it would be apropos here.

[Bleeding Orange]

who really cares if players are going to class besides the NCAA?

I DO.

And so do many, many others, at all schools. I am proud of players that are good on the field. I am even more proud of players who are good on the field and good in the classroom, like Matt Lefeld, for example.

You'll all have to pardon my French, but tek, why in the holy f**king hell do you think collegiate athletics were instituted? Methinks you need to take some time out of your busy life to study the history of physical education in American history. Until you do that, you really need to stop making a fool of yourself. Just because something is (perceived to be...) "reality," doesn't make it right. As an Ohio State University graduate student in business, I would fully expect you to comprehend that.

[h2oville rocket]

who really cares if players are going to class besides the NCAA?

Apparently some universities care as well. The one mentioned here occasionally turns up a good basketball team and have had the odd basketball player drafted into the NBA (not the NFL, though).

http://www.goduke.com/ViewArticle.dbml? ... LID=683125

[tekekini]

who really cares if players are going to class besides the NCAA?

I DO.

And so do many, many others, at all schools. I am proud of players that are good on the field. I am even more proud of players who are good on the field and good in the classroom, like Matt Lefeld, for example.

You'll all have to pardon my French, but tek, why in the holy f**king hell do you think collegiate athletics were instituted? Methinks you need to take some time out of your busy life to study the history of physical education in American history. Until you do that, you really need to stop making a fool of yourself. Just because something is (perceived to be...) "reality," doesn't make it right. As an Ohio State University graduate student in business, I would fully expect you to comprehend that.

You speak on a personal level. the majority of fans are sports fans who do not care about the academic part of collegiate athletics, that is the reality. Do a national survey with a whole mix of demographics (students, non students, regular joe's, etc..) and I garuntee you that more will not care about how the athletes do in school than those that do care.

I am a student, and I do not care. I dont care if OSU players, UM players, BG players UT players I do not care if any of them go to class. I am a sports fan, a college football fan and I want to be entertained and I want my team to be a winning team. To me, it is sports. I know there are rules in place that they have to go to school and do well. That is the only reason anyone cares, because the rules are in place. So of course I hope they do well, so that they can play..But again, I only want them to do well so they can play on the field and win championships, otherwise I would not give a damn.

You will not admit to it for the sake of your argument but if it was not a rule that players had to have passing grades to be able to participate in football, you wouldnt care if any of BG's playes went to class either as long as it gave you a chance to win football games.

Most of the universities wouldn't care either if there weren't the rules in place. Most of them would just be seeing green dollar signs. the ones who would care are the ones who have prestigous reputations to look out for such as Duke (Rocket's example), Notre Dame, Northwestern, etc..

You think OSU or BG really cares? they only pretend to care because they have to.

It is the reality wether you want to admit it or not.

[tekekini]

Also, the players themselves do not really care. They are their to play football where normal students such as most of ourselves, are there for the education. If they do not care, why should I. It is their lives. Not mine.

[MarkL]

believe in?? It is the reality.

OSU's football team had a higher GPA that BG last year did they not? I do believe so.

I have a friend who is close to OSU's football program and has told me stories of what really goes on. He said that many if not most of OSU's players, in football and basketball, take a whole lot of bogus classes (history of rock and roll to name one ...) and are pretty much guided through all classes. There is so much help and "tutoring", meaning homework done for them, provided by the athletic department that they have to put pretty much no effort into school other than showing up to classes every now and then, according to my friend. He said that so many athletes' educations are complete jokes and they just have no intelligence compared to the rest of the student population. Now there are some others who really work hard, like Jamar Butler and Craig Krenzel to name a couple, who really work hard and don't deserve to be brought down by the rest of the "student" athletes in the department. So comparing TOSU's GPA to any other team really is irrelevant.

[h2oville rocket]

believe in?? It is the reality.

OSU's football team had a higher GPA that BG last year did they not? I do believe so.

I have a friend who is close to OSU's football program and has told me stories of what really goes on. He said that many if not most of OSU's players, in football and basketball, take a whole lot of bogus classes (history of rock and roll to name one ...) and are pretty much guided through all classes. There is so much help and "tutoring", meaning homework done for them, provided by the athletic department that they have to put pretty much no effort into school other than showing up to classes every now and then, according to my friend. He said that so many athletes' educations are complete jokes and they just have no intelligence compared to the rest of the student population. Now there are some others who really work hard, like Jamar Butler and Craig Krenzel to name a couple, who really work hard and don't deserve to be brought down by the rest of the "student" athletes in the department. So comparing TOSU's GPA to any other team really is irrelevant.

Well of course Butler works hard. He's a Shawnee High School graduate. Proud wearer of the Red and Black. Man among men like all the other Shawnee grads.

[Peregrinner]

You will not admit to it for the sake of your argument but if it was not a rule that players had to have passing grades to be able to participate in football, you wouldnt care if any of BG's playes went to class either as long as it gave you a chance to win football games.

I'd be willing to place a hefty bet that most people around these parts, on this board, as well as many at other Universities care just as much about the athletes' performance in the classroom as on the field.

ALL students of any University represent said University through their effort and accomplishments in the classroom as well as on the field.

Personally, I feel almost the exact opposite of what you're saying. I'd rather have a mediocre athletic team full of 3.5-4.0 students than one that doesn't go to class, has no intention of graduating, but wins a championship. Of course, we were fortunate enough to have a women's basketball team that was able to accomplish both fairly well (i.e.: Carin Horne).

But then, that's why there's just no communicating between those of us here, who value STUDENT-athletes and those people who value a championship team of dropouts.

[Falconfreak90]

Also, the players themselves do not really care. They are their to play football where normal students such as most of ourselves, are there for the education. If they do not care, why should I. It is their lives. Not mine.

"You wouldnt care if any of BG's playes went to class either as long as it gave you a chance to win football games".

BS. I do care. My Falcon Club donation, season tix and other donations go to student athletes to get a great education as well as enjoy the thrill of college athletics. As you said, 99% of BG's players have no shot to make the NFL...what are they going to do for a living?

"Most of the universities wouldn't care either if there weren't the rules in place. Most of them would just be seeing green dollar signs"

Coming from a fan of the Buck$, that may be the most sense you've ever made here...and those times are few and far between. Seeing how OSU only seems to care how much $$$ they bring in, that makes sense. Sorry, but BGSU actually cares whether their student athletes earn their degrees. And it is the MOST important thing, to me, that they do. Unlike you....

"Also, the players themselves do not really care. They are their to play football where normal students such as most of ourselves, are there for the education. If they do not care, why should I. It is their lives. Not mine".

If the players don't care, they shouldn't be in school...ANY school. And since you don't care about your players', um, "education", then why be such a BiG fan of that school? Stick with the NFL if you want football players only. And as much as you'd like to believe that all OSU playes will make the NFL, the vast majority won't. What will they do for a living? "Hey, thanks for playing football at OSU but now that you don't, get lost". How nice!


Keep trying, pookie....you're getting deeper in over your head with every post.

[tekekini]

Also, the players themselves do not really care. They are their to play football where normal students such as most of ourselves, are there for the education. If they do not care, why should I. It is their lives. Not mine.

"You wouldnt care if any of BG's playes went to class either as long as it gave you a chance to win football games".

BS. I do care. My Falcon Club donation, season tix and other donations go to student athletes to get a great education as well as enjoy the thrill of college athletics. As you said, 99% of BG's players have no shot to make the NFL...what are they going to do for a living?

"Most of the universities wouldn't care either if there weren't the rules in place. Most of them would just be seeing green dollar signs"

Coming from a fan of the Buck$, that may be the most sense you've ever made here...and those times are few and far between. Seeing how OSU only seems to care how much $$$ they bring in, that makes sense. Sorry, but BGSU actually cares whether their student athletes earn their degrees. And it is the MOST important thing, to me, that they do. Unlike you....

"Also, the players themselves do not really care. They are their to play football where normal students such as most of ourselves, are there for the education. If they do not care, why should I. It is their lives. Not mine".

If the players don't care, they shouldn't be in school...ANY school. And since you don't care about your players', um, "education", then why be such a BiG fan of that school? Stick with the NFL if you want football players only. And as much as you'd like to believe that all OSU playes will make the NFL, the vast majority won't. What will they do for a living? "Hey, thanks for playing football at OSU but now that you don't, get lost". How nice!


Keep trying, pookie....you're getting deeper in over your head with every post.

Like I said, that is the reality and that is their decisions. The ones who dont take it seriously and do not make it to the NFL that is the choice that they made. that is not my choice. All I said is that personally I do not care one way or another. There are two sides to every thing. you guys are funny. You get so pissed when someone sees the side opposite of yours.

And again, you are looking at it by what you personally feel. I am saying, personal feelings aside, most people in this country do not care what student athletes do in the classroom.

However, since they do have to go to class and do well in the classroom, I will reply to the other guy at the same time this Mark person or whatever his name was.

[tekekini]

believe in?? It is the reality.

OSU's football team had a higher GPA that BG last year did they not? I do believe so.

I have a friend who is close to OSU's football program and has told me stories of what really goes on. He said that many if not most of OSU's players, in football and basketball, take a whole lot of bogus classes (history of rock and roll to name one ...) and are pretty much guided through all classes. There is so much help and "tutoring", meaning homework done for them, provided by the athletic department that they have to put pretty much no effort into school other than showing up to classes every now and then, according to my friend. He said that so many athletes' educations are complete jokes and they just have no intelligence compared to the rest of the student population. Now there are some others who really work hard, like Jamar Butler and Craig Krenzel to name a couple, who really work hard and don't deserve to be brought down by the rest of the "student" athletes in the department. So comparing TOSU's GPA to any other team really is irrelevant.

Mark
I don't buy that at all. I am sure a few players have easy schedules especially their first two years in school but not all of them do. In fact I bet it is less than 3%. If it was the majority of the players, that would have been busted up and exposed by some pissed off staff member or the NCAA or something. That wouldn't fly, not for long. Your message is the most bogus message ever typed on a message board. It is extremely and falsley based off of media and hollywood steroetypes on big time college athletics.

It all works the same way, everywhere, I am sure they help the very small amount of players with some easy classes to keep them on the field. I garuntee there are BG players and UT players who get the same help. Comparing GPA's is relevant if you care about comparing all of this academic crap between football teams. I personally do not care but since you do, you must look at all aspects.