One of the best National Championships games ever!

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:24 am

That was an awesome, awesome game!!! Also glad to see the Burnt Orange won!

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:30 am

Probably #2 behind 2003's between Miami (FL)/OSU. Just because of the OT's makes it #1.

BGGrad01 · Post by **BGGrad01** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:34 am

This will be moved to the "Other Schools" forum in about 10 minutes......

I thought it was an incredible game. Very slow start, but an awesome finish. At one point, I believe it was Keith Jackson (who needs to retire BTW) that asked if Reggie Bush was the "greatest college football player of all time". Great player, but he wasn't even on the field on 4th and 2 that could have sealed the game.

Speaking of that play, I can't believe Pete Carroll went for it on 4th and 2 with about 2 minutes to go. I know they had not stopped Lendale White all night, but the worst they were going to do was force Texas to go 80 yards to win it. Instead, Texas got the stop and had all of the momentum in the world.

Bonehead plays of the night go to Reggie Bush for the lateral on his long run or catch and the USC defense calling their last timeout on the 2-point conversion.

As far as Vince Young, I can't imagine that he will be a Texas Longhorn next year. He is an fantastic athlete and alot of fun to watch on the college football field, but I'm not sold on him as a pro quarterback at all. He has a release that is just as funky as Omar's and I have not really been impressed by his overall passing game in the limited number of games that I have seen him. I also have doubts as to whether he will be able to run all over the field in the NFL like he does in college. He's fast, but I don't think he's Michael Vick.

The college football season is officially over.

I can't wait until September 2nd.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 12:48 am

BGGrad01 wrote: He's fast, but I don't think he's Michael Vick.

I think he is better, just as fast, and much tougher to bring down.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:00 am

I still tend to think Omar is waiting to hear whether Young is coming out on whether to return next year or not.

BGSUVA · Post by **BGSUVA** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:15 am

USC simply got outcoached, which sounds really really funny seing how Mack Brown outcoached him. Who would have ever guessed that would happen? I mean honestly, who didn't know Vince was gonna run it on 4th and five at the end, and then on the two point conversion? Why not put a spy on VY? If they had one on him, obviously he wasnt getting the job done, so dag, bring in Bush, since he wasn't helping them on offense. and the secondary gave Young a ton of choices of who to throw the ball to.

OptionQB · Post by **OptionQB** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:24 am

USC stopped USC's offense in the second half and calling designed QB runs on 60% of your offensive plays involves no strategy at all, so I don't see how the comment about Pete Carrol getting outcoached jives at all.

I too, am not a Vince Young fan at all. There are VY-type athletes all over the NFL and they play defense too. Basically in my mind, he's a 5 inch taller version of Michael Vick. That's it. Obviously, I'm not high on Vick either.

If I were New Orleans though, I would take Young at #2. The best way to counter Vick is to get one of your own and in the division no less. I'm sure a Young, McAllister and Joe Horn trio could attract a decent coordinator from somewhere.

That would leave Tennessee with the option of bringing back McNair or taking the highest bidder for Billy Volek (Jets, Fins, GB, Detroit) and reuniting Leinart with Norm Chow.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:25 am

I've gotta say, for as much heat as the BCS takes, the BCS bowl games this year pitted great matchups. The Fiesta, Sugar and Orange bowls were great, and the Rose Bowl was awesome! Three of those four games were nail-biters and the other one was competitive. Nice to see them played out that way this year. The one thing sorely missing for me this year in the bowl season was not seeing BG in another bowl game this year. But hopefully that will change next season. As always, GO BG!!!

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 6:52 am

BGDrew wrote:I still tend to think Omar is waiting to hear whether Young is coming out on whether to return next year or not.

I tend to agree. I VY goes back to Texas, Omar could very probably be teh secod QB taken, That would put him in the top half of the first round, IMO. If VY is in the draft, Omar falls to at least third and maybe more depending on some other guys. Falling that far does not guarantee being a first round pick.

That was a big reason I was rooting for Texas last night. Hook'em Horns!

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:17 am

OptionQB wrote:I too, am not a Vince Young fan at all. There are VY-type athletes all over the NFL and they play defense too. Basically in my mind, he's a 5 inch taller version of Michael Vick. That's it. Obviously, I'm not high on Vick either.

Ugh....Option...Buddy. You're missing the boat man. Young is a better passer than Vick, and that 5 inches is huge, IMO. But that's another story. Vick, although he had a poor season this year, is one of the best 5 or 6 QBs in the NFL. There are great athletes on defense in the NFL, yes, but there aren't many athletes like Vick or Young in the NFL.

Everybody always wants to harp on Vick's passing numbers to dog him, but it's not about that. There is not one player in the NFL that even comes CLOSE to scaring defensive coordinators like Vick does. Young will be the next guy to scare coordinators the same way. Look at Vick's passing numbers when he's not in the pocket. I don't know if that's his height or what's natural, but once he gets out of the pocket he's a phenomenal passer. I think Young will give you that ability plus with his height he will be able to throw from the pocket.

A year ago I didn't like VY because I didn't think he could pass enough to keep a defense honest. He has developed that part of his game. It's not his strongest suit, but it doesn't need to be. There is nothing in the rules of the game that state you have to be a superb passer to be a star QB. The object is to lead your team to points & victories. Vick & Young can do that with their legs, just enough passing to keep the defense honest and open up that running game.

You can also not underestimate what the threat of the QB run opens up for the other runners in the backfield. There is a reason why Warrick Dunn looks like one of the best RBs in the NFL and his name is Vick.

BGGrad01 · Post by **BGGrad01** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:29 am

hammb - From watching last night's game and the limited other times that I have watched VY, it looks like he has a low release. Am I wrong? If he does have a low release, doesn't that negate some of the advantage he has from his height? I realize that his release can and probably will be fixed, though.

He is incredible athlete, but I don't think he is as fast as Michael Vick or as shifty for that matter. He will makes some jaw-dropping runs in the NFL and I'm sure that he will become a better passer, but I'm not completely sold on him as a future great NFL quarterback just yet.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:39 am

BGGrad01 wrote:hammb - From watching last night's game and the limited other times that I have watched VY, it looks like he has a low release. Am I wrong? If he does have a low release, doesn't that negate some of the advantage he has from his height? I realize that his release can and probably will be fixed, though.

He is incredible athlete, but I don't think he is as fast as Michael Vick or as shifty for that matter. He will makes some jaw-dropping runs in the NFL and I'm sure that he will become a better passer, but I'm not completely sold on him as a future great NFL quarterback just yet.

Vince does have a low release. So does Omar. A large part of the height advantage is the ability to see over the line, not just the ability to throw over it.

He is not as fast or shifty as Vick, but he's also got about 25 pounds & 5 inches on him. What worries Atlanta most is that Vick is gonna get himself killed...that won't be an issue with Young because he's the size of a small LB and bigger than almost all DBs. I doubt that he'll be the electric downfield runner that Vick is in the NFL, but I think he's a much more polished passer.

Of course I'm biased. I like mobile QBs. What I love about Frye & Big Ben is their mobility. If I were picking QBs I'd take Vick or McNabb before Manning...until this year I would've taken Culpepper too, and he should rebound. So many people say that Vince Young is Vick with height and they say it as a sleight. I hear that and think how much do I have to pay to get this guy on my team. You cannot underestimate the value of a QB that can take over the game with his legs.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:15 am

I don't care if he throws the ball underhand and between his legs. Point is the Young's team scores lots of points and wins. Isn't that the point? All the 'he doesn't throw right' guys be damned. The point is to get results and Young gets results.

Sorry, but I get tired of hearing all these numbers (4.3 forty, benches 600 lbs 26 times in one minute, broad jumps 48.269 inches, etc). Those things don't win you football games. It's what you can do on the field that counts. Young gets it done and he wins games when they are on the line. Any NFL team that doesn't pick him (whenever it is he comes out) because he has an awkward delivery would be foolish and the GM should be fired on the spot.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:25 am

I thought it was an awesome game. And Vince Young is Da Man. That kid is so strong, fast and a winner. Both teams played their hearts out. I'll give the BCS credit this year for that game.

I, like others, was hoping Texas would win. Maybe Young will enter the draft but it seems like he's leaning toward returning.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:26 am

hammb wrote:
OptionQB wrote:I too, am not a Vince Young fan at all. There are VY-type athletes all over the NFL and they play defense too. Basically in my mind, he's a 5 inch taller version of Michael Vick. That's it. Obviously, I'm not high on Vick either.

There is nothing in the rules of the game that state you have to be a superb passer to be a star QB. The object is to lead your team to points & victories.

Sounds like J5!