Recruit - Scott Martin

[BleedOrange]

Alot of schools have offered including Indiana. I don't think we could tear him away from a big school though if he's really this good. He looks like a guy that should bulk up a bit and become mainly a SF more than a SG.

Hmmm. Seems to me you made similar comment when we were recruiting Brian Moten. Keep it up. You might be giving us good luck.

Well in response to that , I now know from having a whole season to watching Brian Moten on the floor why he's here and not at Virginia. I don't know if his schollie to Virginia got pulled or if he really decided to jump the ship from Virginia and come here, which really very rarely happen unless the player knows he has no chance of playing there or the said school pulls the schollie cuz of them learning or finding out that a certain player doesnt fit their mold.

Brian Moten sounded at the outset like a great , amazing athletic player that we had stolen , but in fact Brian Moten no disrespect to him is seems really nothing more than a spot up 3 pt shooter at this point. He appears to possess no driving or slash to the basket skills that a big school like Virginia is gonna want out of a 6'4 athletic player like Moten. Players that are Moten's height and apparent athletism that can create their own shot plus shoot well outside are very valuable to the big schools they usually get the best ones they want. I'm not saying he's not vaulable to us, but I can now see maybe why's he's not playing for Virginia.

Brbrbrbr. It's not so much that I disagree with your post itself, but rather, I disagree with several premises that sit behind it.

A sincere question: with your defeatist attitude about BG hoops, how do you find the motivation to come out here at all?

[CrazyFan]

Please don't group Falconboy in with "You People" around here.

Many thanks,
The Residents of AZZ.com

"You people" pertains to the sole notion of defeatism. There's a lot of people, or "You people", that have a constant negative perception of this program and are always finding sonething wrong, even something as idiotic as Moten not being what he was rumored to be. But he's only played 118 minutes, with probably half of those not seen because they have been on the road. We could have 20 wins and some of the "You people" would still find something to bitch about. Find a new program if all you want to do is bitch about things, but once you do that, you'll be bitching about that program, so the moral of the story is is to stop all the bitching (because there's not a damn thing your gonna do about any of this) and be a fan of the program and support your players whomever they may be and give players a little longer than their freshman year playing mop up time to see what they can really bring to the program before making your premature comments!

[OSUFALCON]

Please don't group Falconboy in with "You People" around here.

Many thanks,
The Residents of AZZ.com

"You people" pertains to the sole notion of defeatism. There's a lot of people, or "You people", that have a constant negative perception of this program and are always finding sonething wrong, even something as idiotic as Moten not being what he was rumored to be. But he's only played 118 minutes, with probably half of those not seen because they have been on the road. We could have 20 wins and some of the "You people" would still find something to bitch about. Find a new program if all you want to do is bitch about things, but once you do that, you'll be bitching about that program, so the moral of the story is is to stop all the bitching (because there's not a damn thing your gonna do about any of this) and be a fan of the program and support your players whomever they may be and give players a little longer than their freshman year playing mop up time to see what they can really bring to the program before making your premature comments!

Well said crazy fan!

[Bleeding Orange]

CrazyFan, I totally, completely, 100% agree with you. I have really begun to think that people take way too many of their sports cues (read: attitude) from stupid shows like PTI and the like. It really is damned annoying, but then again, maybe we're just "telling people how to be fans."

[ZiggyZoomba]

Remember the RATT song "Round and Round?"

[Goose]

Remember the RATT song "Round and Round?"

Did you really mean to come "Out of the Cellar" to say that, or was that just a "Slip of the Lip"? I would not want there to be a "Lack of Communication" because that would not be "Way Cool, Junior".

[San Diego Falcon]

Originally posted by ZiggyZoomba:
Remember the RATT song "Round and Round?"
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Did you really mean to come "Out of the Cellar" to say that, or was that just a "Slip of the Lip"? I would not want there to be a "Lack of Communication" because that would not be "Way Cool, Junior".

He just decided to "Lay it Down"

[Falconboy]

Well in response to that , I now know from having a whole season to watching Brian Moten on the floor why he's here and not at Virginia. I don't know if his schollie to Virginia got pulled or if he really decided to jump the ship from Virginia and come here, which really very rarely happen unless the player knows he has no chance of playing there or the said school pulls the schollie cuz of them learning or finding out that a certain player doesnt fit their mold.

Brian Moten sounded at the outset like a great , amazing athletic player that we had stolen , but in fact Brian Moten no disrespect to him is seems really nothing more than a spot up 3 pt shooter at this point. He appears to possess no driving or slash to the basket skills that a big school like Virginia is gonna want out of a 6'4 athletic player like Moten. Players that are Moten's height and apparent athletism that can create their own shot plus shoot well outside are very valuable to the big schools they usually get the best ones they want. I'm not saying he's not vaulable to us, but I can now see maybe why's he's not playing for Virginia.

How can you make that assumption when you've only seen the kid play 185 minutes, with much of that on mop up time when we were getting dialed and the whole team was playing defeated??!!! Give him time! If he's not showing anything by his junior year then yes, maybe you can say that, but HE'S ONLY PLAYED 185 MINUTES OF COLLEGE BALL!! You people amaze me.

Maybe I shouldn't have said I know with out a shadow of a doubt but rather I'm starting to see why its possible Moten is here a BG and not at Virginia. I don't know all the facts behind Moten's decision to come here and don't pretend to know all of it , but I can come to a hyposthisis based on what I do know now. Yeah, Moten only played about half a season and not a whole lot of minuetes. But having been around basketball my whole life it doesnt' take me long to see the the potential skills of a player are. I don't have the whole picture on what Moten will be as a player for us should he make to his sr year here (God willing ) or how his skills pan out. But at this juncture I've seen a seemingly very athletic long player with no or little skills or confidence in driving to the basket or to create his own shot. Not saying that only being a run a around a million screens and pop from 3 shooter is bad cuz that will still work for us if he's continues to be a good outside shooter but, this tells me something about the possible reasons why Virginia could've have pulled their offer. Don't really know if that happened or not but its a possible and likley scenario thats all.

A player that a big school like Virginia really wants bad is just not going to choose us over them on 99 out of 100 occasions. If Moten was one of them then I'll be pleansantly surprised and stoked.

[Flipper]

All you had to do was google the kid and you'd know why he wasn't at Virginia. His academics lead them to hold off on signing him.

http://www.thesabre.com/news_archive/sh ... le-852.php

So far as his on court talent goes, UVA wanted him, WMU wanted him and Dan signed him. The coaches that run thiose programs may not be the three wise men, but I'm confident that they're a damn sight better judge of talent than anyone posting on this thread

[h2oville rocket]

The coaches that run these programs may not be the three wise men, but I'm confident that they're a damn sight better judge of talent than anyone posting on this thread

Well, until now, anyway.

[Falconboy]

All you had to do was google the kid and you'd know why he wasn't at Virginia. His academics lead them to hold off on signing him.

http://www.thesabre.com/news_archive/sh ... le-852.php

So far as his on court talent goes, UVA wanted him, WMU wanted him and Dan signed him. The coaches that run thiose programs may not be the three wise men, but I'm confident that they're a damn sight better judge of talent than anyone posting on this thread

I agree but using your logic I guess none here should ever utter a peep about anything about a sport unless were a player or coach.

[BGSU33]

I was working in the athletic department at Virginia when they were recruiting Brian Moten and I know and have known some of the former and current coaches personally, as well as the then beat-reported for UVa hoops, and I've heard a good bit about Moten's situation. I'm not going to drag out a long list of dirt or whatever about him or how he ended up at BG and not UVa, WMU, etc. All I will say is, despite not seeing a lot out of him in his first year at BG, I am excited he is a Falcon and I look forward to seeing three much better years of basketball performances out of him at BG. I don't think adding one player such as an Antonio Daniels, a Keith McLeod or an Anthony Stacey to last year's team would have rescued us. We weren't very good at all in many areas. Until we stop the transfers and defections and start retaining and developing players, we'll never see the light of day such as the recent glory of 1997, 2000 & 2002. This spring/summer has been very kind to us compared to recent years past. If we line up everyone we're "supposed" to return and bring in everyone we're "supposed" to bring in, we'll be a better team next season.

[Flipper]

All you had to do was google the kid and you'd know why he wasn't at Virginia. His academics lead them to hold off on signing him.

http://www.thesabre.com/news_archive/sh ... le-852.php

So far as his on court talent goes, UVA wanted him, WMU wanted him and Dan signed him. The coaches that run thiose programs may not be the three wise men, but I'm confident that they're a damn sight better judge of talent than anyone posting on this thread

I agree but using your logic I guess none here should ever utter a peep about anything about a sport unless were a player or coach.

I'm not sure how you can apply my "logic" and arrive at the conclusion that I don't think you should comment on issues such as these. Feel free to do so. I'll feel free to tell you why I think you're wrong.

Let me put it this way...you, a kid with no coaching or scouting experience has seen Moten play very little after he sat out half a year. This has not stopped you from formulating a negative opinion about his skills.

The head coaches at UVA, BGSU and WMU all have loads of experience scouting and coaching at the collegiate level. They 've seen Moten play live and they've watched him on film for hours on end. They arrived at the opposite conclusion that you did.

They have knowledge, experience and meaningful exposure to the subject (Moten's ability) at hand.

you have....you have....what is it that you have?

[hammb]

They have knowledge, experience and meaningful exposure to the subject (Moten's ability) at hand.

At least one of those guys thought Corey Eyink was going to win multiple MAC POY awards as well


But I have not seen enough of Moten to make a good judgement. I will say that what we DID see falls a lot closer to falconboy's observation than what we expected to be getting. Still it was only half a disastrous season in very limited minutes. One thing that we forget in all these defections is that when players stick around they DO develop into better players over their time in college. Hopefully we can start to see some of that here.

[transfer2BGSU]

A school can not just pull a scholarship on a player without the player either quitting or breaking team rules.

Technically that is not true. A grant-in-aid is for one year and is awarded on a yearly basis. BGSU has pulled athletic grants-in-aid before (there is an appeals committee).