BG Wins! If they come out of the locker room????

[BGSUSynchroSk8r2006]

The refs should have gotten together and said this..."We have to let BG have the time to get back on the court because one of us told them the game was over. Let's give them time to get out of the showers, dress, and get back out here and finish the game. It was our fault we told them the game was over." That's how it should have been handled...period.

That would require said ref to actually own up to screwing up, which in my opinion is doubtful.

[able1]

fwiw, a co-worker of mine is an official and he knows some guys who regularly do MAC games. He thought the shot clock violation was probably a judgement call, but he was wondering about why they would call a T given the way everything played out. He emailed one of his MAC ref friends today to ask him if he knew anything about how it all played out from the official's point of view. If anything of interest comes from the reply, I'll pass it on.

[BGSUSynchroSk8r2006]

i'm just curious to why any of you would argue a technical isn't deserved in that case. I'd have Dakich fired by phone on the bus ride home after acting like that.

You're so full of it. How could you think, after all the details and all the facts, could you think that this was still our fault and our problem?? I'm really never one to completely blame the refs, but this is a bunch of crap. We WON that game, we earned it, and they took it away in a stupid senseless power-trip moment. It's stupid and uncalled for and something needs to be done about it.

This was NOT our fault, UBFan. ENOUGH.

[factman]

I am curious that if the situation had been reversed, if UBfan would have wanted a T called on DD if he went over to the scorers table and pushed the buzzer nemerous times like Reggie did. He acted like a 10 year old, and should have been the one to get the T!!!!

[Dayons_Den]

As I stated in a previous post the most likely scenario is a five second call on the inbounds that returns the ball to Buffalo under their basket.

Which is another interesting parallel situation.

Say BG is in a timeout instead of the lockerroom. Staying in the huddle after the horns and whistles and warnings from officials, do they call a T? No, they put the ball on the baseline and start their five second call. If BG doesn't get there, it's a turnover. Of course then it would be interesting to see how UB ran an unguarded inbounds play to catch and shoot.

Good points TG, but here is what I would come up with. If they are in the timeout and the ref puts the ball on the spot under the bucket and starts the 5 second count the players are "on the floor" because they would be breaking the huddle and trying to get to the spot before the five seconds elapses. There is no technical, just a 5 second call.

Where there is a technical, I am thinking off of the top of my head, is because we didn't have the required personnel "on the floor". In basketball you can play with, I believe, 2 players. (Coach Norman Dale's line of my team is on the floor with 4 players comes to mind). You can play with 2 but not with one because you need someone to pass the ball in . This situation arises sometimes when a lot of people foul out- usually junior high games with small rosters.

So, my thinking in why the Tech was handed out rather than a 5 second call, is because we didn't field a team "on the floor."

And I am surprised so many people are bashing the get in the showers thing. I am also surprised the 1972 olympic team didn't get a mention until page 5 of this thread. Based on that 72 game and coaching mantra in situations like that you are always told to get your team off the floor. I do not begrudge Dakich for doing that.

[BleedOrange]

What recourse does DD have with the MAC? Certainly this incident will be reviewed. What beyond that can happen. I would think that DD would be pursuing all that he can.

[orangeandbrown]

Maybe we will get a letter of apology like we did after they blew the call in the NIU game.

[Globetrotter]

As I stated in a previous post the most likely scenario is a five second call on the inbounds that returns the ball to Buffalo under their basket.

Which is another interesting parallel situation.

Say BG is in a timeout instead of the lockerroom. Staying in the huddle after the horns and whistles and warnings from officials, do they call a T? No, they put the ball on the baseline and start their five second call. If BG doesn't get there, it's a turnover. Of course then it would be interesting to see how UB ran an unguarded inbounds play to catch and shoot.

Good points TG, but here is what I would come up with. If they are in the timeout and the ref puts the ball on the spot under the bucket and starts the 5 second count the players are "on the floor" because they would be breaking the huddle and trying to get to the spot before the five seconds elapses. There is no technical, just a 5 second call.

Where there is a technical, I am thinking off of the top of my head, is because we didn't have the required personnel "on the floor". In basketball you can play with, I believe, 2 players. (Coach Norman Dale's line of my team is on the floor with 4 players comes to mind). You can play with 2 but not with one because you need someone to pass the ball in . This situation arises sometimes when a lot of people foul out- usually junior high games with small rosters.

So, my thinking in why the Tech was handed out rather than a 5 second call, is because we didn't field a team "on the floor."

And I am surprised so many people are bashing the get in the showers thing. I am also surprised the 1972 olympic team didn't get a mention until page 5 of this thread. Based on that 72 game and coaching mantra in situations like that you are always told to get your team off the floor. I do not begrudge Dakich for doing that.

The only way this is Dan Dakiches fault is if he was told specifically the game was not over and he refused to come out of the locker room. For the refs to not give them time to come back out is absurd.

[San Diego Falcon]

Maybe we will get a letter of apology like we did after they blew the call in the NIU game.

They're too busy trying to screw up the football schedule to do that.

[HoustonFalcon]

The whole premise of my argument is the fact that the official told the coach that the game was over. But you're right, with a five second call, they would have a chance for a tip in. That is the only way they could have won. If I were the UB coach, yes I would be asking to review if there was any time left on the clock, and want those seconds played out if I were behind. And I am not blaming the UB coach for any of this either. I am sure that the official didn't tell him that he told Coach Dakich the game was over. Therefore, the other coach is saying get them back on the floor, or they should get a technical called on them. My whole point in my first post is that the officials made major mistakes, and that is what I have a problem with.

[TG1996]

Norman Dale had crossed my mind, too, DD... But I just thought it was the air in this state that was doing it to me.

[BleedOrange]

The whole premise of my argument is the fact that the official told the coach that the game was over. But you're right, with a five second call, they would have a chance for a tip in. That is the only way they could have won. If I were the UB coach, yes I would be asking to review if there was any time left on the clock, and want those seconds played out if I were behind. And I am not blaming the UB coach for any of this either. I am sure that the official didn't tell him that he told Coach Dakich the game was over. Therefore, the other coach is saying get them back on the floor, or they should get a technical called on them. My whole point in my first post is that the officials made major mistakes, and that is what I have a problem with.

For me, what doesn't hold water is that (a) an official told DD that the games was over when 0:00 was on the clock, (b) officials reviewed and reversed the play AFTER the team left the floor, and (c) an official chose to call technical for delay of game after an ARBITRARY amount of time and disregarded that the players might have been taking off uniforms and showering.

The feeling I get is that most officials have much more ego than intellect.

[TG1996]

This is interesting, from the UB write-up on the game:

"Since Bowling Green had left the floor before the game had ended, a technical foul was assessed."


http://www.ubathletics.buffalo.edu/mens ... bgsu.shtml

So the T wasn't for how long they were in the locker room, but because they went there at all? The wording could be attributed to a misinformed author or semantics, I suppose, but if this is the official reason they were T'd, it eliminates any question on if it was BS.

If anyone has connections in Buffalo, the game is being replayed on Time Warner cable throughout the weekend (see bottom of linked article)

[orangeandbrown]

Or, Buffalo is trying to make it look as positive as possible. What are they going to write:

"After BG was assessed a technical for leaving the floor when the referee told them the game was over, UB tied the game on free throws."

[Dayons_Den]

Hindsight is 20/20 and doubleguessing is for armchari quarterbacks, but. .


What do we have to gain by leaving in a hastly manner? What is the worst case scenario if we stick around and calmly shake hands?