Rant about the game

bacn3 · Post by **bacn3** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:52 pm

Ok i'm a student here at bg i'm a towney too so i've been fallowing bg for my whole life. What i can say is we will never win a MAC title in hoops because we can't!!! When we are the better team on paper we lose and when we are the worst team on paper we lose we are never the team with only one foul after 10 mins. Those calls were just bad they blew that game and let it get out of control. We can't win in the mac period. Anyone remember ball st. Keith year?? something like 50 some fouls in that game this happens we knew it would always does. Hats off to WMU its not your guys fault, you are one heck of a team i just want to play a fair game every once and a while i mean come on this was bad and everyone that was there knows it. I was only there for the first half cause i had to work and that was bad enough. And why can't coaches or media people say anything about how bad they are?? i mean come on what's the deal with that ohh we just blew the game let people fight but you can't say we are bad cause we are refs, that's bs they blew that game for who ever lost and it just happened to be us this is way to bad our kids played their hearts off no one thought they would play like that or be even close to where they are this year. Mark Reed up for POTY he got lots of calls and maybe he should he was one heck of a player but man that has to stop in the mac too. Better players just can't have an advantage because of their talent, the mac lost one in my book today.

Jham · Post by **Jham** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:57 pm

First: Take a deep breath.

Second: Take heart in the fact that with all of the so-called shortcomings of the officials, the team you so callously say will never win the MAC still had the defending champs and what I hear from everyone else on the board on the ropes!

I think even the biggest referee-hater of them all -- Dakich -- would agree that while referees don't always get the calls right, it's still his team's responsibilites to make the big shots and finish climbing the mountain.

And yes, I was at the Ball State game that year -- a horrible game officiating wise, but I also remember BG making it to the MAC championship game despite that loss...Don't you?

And what happened there? they lost to a better team, that made the Elite Eight the next (same?) year.

bacn3 · Post by **bacn3** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:24 pm

no i know i don't want to sound like the refs lost us the game because we could have won and didn't, however that game was not fair we lost to probably a better team its just a shame that we can't play a clean fair game to find out who the better team is. My hat is off to our guys for playing with such heart and the WMU team for beating us. They played one heck of a game too it was a great game to watch just not very fair or clean. The mac has to do something about their refs cause i know we aren’t the only team this happens to and it does happen every year, i think its time someone from the mac takes some responsibility for games such as this where refs lose control of a game and fights break out!! There is absolutely no room for that here, yes the players are to blame too. I just think its not right for them as refs to have that shield of ohh you can't call them out cause there refs and that's against the rules!!

B!G Fan · Post by **B!G Fan** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:46 am

bacn3 wrote: I just think its not right for them as refs to have that shield of ohh you can't call them out cause there refs and that's against the rules!!

1. I'm not a referee.
2. I hate losing as much as anyone else.

But...
The refs are the people "in charge" - sometimes loosely - of the game and as a spectator of the game, I/we have to respect that. We have a right to respectfully disagree with their calls, but need to realize that our disagreement won't change the calls.

If someone came into your workplace and yelled and screamed at you about everything they thought you were doing wrong, it would get annoying - especially since it's YOUR job and not THEIRS.

Just my 2 cents

cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:00 am

The referees yesterday went to work at 2:00pm eastern time for their 2 hour shift and did a horrible job for the entire 2 hours. Tomorrow, when I go to my job for my 8 hour shift, I plan to do a good job or be subject to being fired if I perform horribly in that time spand. Who was evaluating those three yesterday? If they still have a job before their next game than its not the referees fault it's their "boss's" fault.

B!G Fan · Post by **B!G Fan** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 10:20 am

I didn't mention in my first post that I, too, thought the refs were terrible.

Who are their bosses? I don't know...does someone send a tape of the game to the MAC office for evaluation? Does the league randomly send someone to games to evaluate the officials' perfomance? Is the back-up referee responsible for evaluation? I wholeheartedly agree that those three should, at the very least, never work together again.

bacn3 · Post by **bacn3** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:08 pm

I understand where you're coming from, but yesterday when the refs were being yelled at by my friend, no bad words were being said at this point, he was just being a smart ***, the ref turned around and said if you want to be an A-hole I’ll toss you our right now. Now correct me if I’m wrong but how could he make a call if he's talking to my friend??? his job is to watch the game and call it fair and he did a very bad job of it and its not the first time it happens all the time. I don't blame the refs anymore i blame the mac where is the accountability i have a boss and if i mess up I’m told and written up, 3 write ups and I’m gone. How many bad games do they get 5, 10, 20, as many as they see fit?? My point is why are the refs untouchable??

B!G Fan · Post by **B!G Fan** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:41 pm

I agree 100% that the ref should not be talking to your friend or anybody while play is going on. On a similar note, a good ref will make "his" call and not force another ref to make it for him. For example, I find it abhorrable when the ref under the basket won't make a call that's right in front of him, but his partner on the far sideline does.

I guess I was trying to put an "understanding" on the situation that even though they are supposed to be doing their job, they don't and that is just a fact of life.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:47 pm

To answer a question from above, the MAC used to have an official observer at every conference game, and I believe they still do.

B!G Fan · Post by **B!G Fan** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:52 pm

orangeandbrown wrote:To answer a question from above, the MAC used to have an official observer at every conference game, and I believe they still do.

Thanks, O&B. I have confidence that someone will review the officiating from Saturday's game. The question "that bothers me so" is...will anything be done about it? Only time will tell!

bacn3 · Post by **bacn3** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:52 pm

Thank you orangeandbrown that helps a little.

I guess I was trying to put an "understanding" on the situation that even though they are supposed to be doing their job, they don't and that is just a fact of life.

I guess life just sucks

Time to move on.

GO FALCONS BEAT BALL ST.

Metz · Post by **Metz** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 1:56 pm

B!G Fan wrote:I agree 100% that the ref should not be talking to your friend or anybody while play is going on. On a similar note, a good ref will make "his" call and not force another ref to make it for him. For example, I find it abhorrable when the ref under the basket won't make a call that's right in front of him, but his partner on the far sideline does.

At the time the ref commented towards our buddy, he was holding the ball about to give it to a player for an inbound play. Talking then is different than during the game. Also, I totally understand the last foul calling statement. Yesterday there is a ref under the basket, a western player is driving and some one goes around him for the ball. From right next to him, there was no contact yet the ref running down from behind calls reaching in. The ref under the basket was watching as well, now why didn't he call it or do something about it?

bacn3 · Post by **bacn3** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:15 pm

My bad McMetz you are right. At least we can agree that the refs were bad

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Metz · Post by **Metz** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:26 pm

bacn3 wrote:My bad McMetz you are right. At least we can agree that the refs were bad .

Yes, that I will agree with anyday!

John52168 · Post by **John52168** » Sun Jan 16, 2005 3:17 pm

I was listening to the game over the internet while I was driving through West Virginia and southern Ohio. I have to say the officiating sucked for both teams. There were bad calls made and calls that were made that should have not been made. Guess what, this happens at every sporting event. It's happening right now in the Vikings vs. Eagles game.

But I have to say after reading all of the comments about yesterday's officiating I will try like heck not to ever complain about officiating unless it's a CCHA game (those refs are the worst if you are playing UM, MSU and OSU). From an outsiders perspective a lot of you have gotten a hold of a bunch of sour grapes. It makes all of you sound like whiners. I have talked to quite a few Falcons fans and know you guys are better than that but I have to say the whining sure got bad this time.

Myabe, just maybe, the one thing you guys learned was that an offense can carry you so far but to keep winning you have to have a defense. I saw some of the predictions before this game and I knew a lot of you if not all of you would be upset when the Falcons wouldn't score over 70 points.

Anyway, BG has a good young team that will only get better especially when they learn to play defense.