BG - Buffalo Game Thread

[BGSUHoops]

BG starting guards went 4 for 20 (20%) from the field. with 5 TOs and 9 assists. Guard play is killing us. Not sure why Black and Crawford took the last two shots for BG?

Crawford went up for three layups while surrounded by Buffalo players. Really....he's 6'5" going up against guys that are 6'5" and taller. He should have brought the ball back out and reset. He does this every game. He needs to stop trying to be the hero and pass the ball and play as a team member instead of being selfish with the ball.

[Globetrotter]

Sealy played in the first half, and he was AWFUL. Turnovers and had a few back to back bad possessions and missed shot. I have no problem with him not playing in the second half. I do have a problem with Erger playing over Clarke and Henderson. Who says when Thomas or Calhoun comes out that you need to bring in Erger. Either go with a 3 guard lineup or go bigger.

You have to let your best players play and he is better then Erger

[HoopsFan]

With Chauncey here, I'm afraid we have 3 more years of coaching apathy before there's a change. Yep, I'm ready for the bandwagon. Jordon Jekyll is a good player Jordon Hyde not so much. 1 for 10 should tell you that the short kid's play against a talented and aggressive UB or Akron doesn't work. Better to see Jevon Clark get more PT and learn than watch Crawford throw the game away. Yeah, I saw the Miami game, but two awww sh*ts doesn't balance out the "atta boy's"

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[gmartin]

If coach Orr would be relieved of his coaching duties Chauncey could stay or leave on his own. I do not think him being a member of this team will weigh on if coach Orr is retained. One guy whom I would like to see coach here is Todd Lickliter. I know he didn't so well at Iowa, but Iowa is a hard place to recruit too, out in nowhere, and you have so many powerhouse is the Big 10. Lickliter did very well at Butler, turned them into a consistent top 25 team that Brad Stevens just continued to develop. Living in Indy I followed Lickliter and Butler and I think he would be a great fit at BG. He is currently on Charlie Coles staff at Miami and I believe is there to succeed Charlie so I think BG should make the move before he is hired there. I have nothing against Store or any of our assistants but if coach Orr is let go please do not promote within. We need a new direction.

[BleedOrange]

If coach Orr would be relieved of his coaching duties Chauncey could stay or leave on his own. I do not think him being a member of this team will weigh on if coach Orr is retained. One guy whom I would like to see coach here is Todd Lickliter. I know he didn't so well at Iowa, but Iowa is a hard place to recruit too, out in nowhere, and you have so many powerhouse is the Big 10. Lickliter did very well at Butler, turned them into a consistent top 25 team that Brad Stevens just continued to develop. Living in Indy I followed Lickliter and Butler and I think he would be a great fit at BG. He is currently on Charlie Coles staff at Miami and I believe is there to succeed Charlie so I think BG should make the move before he is hired there. I have nothing against Store or any of our assistants but if coach Orr is let go please do not promote within. We need a new direction.

This is a good thought. However, $168K annually that we pay to Orr just isn't competitive if we want to attract serious, established coaching talent. ...and with that, the overall coaching situation at BG has some major drawbacks, including the lack of fanbase and support from the student body and surrounding area. We MUST be able and willing to pay a higher salary, and that's just to start. Otherwise, all this talk about a new coach just amounts to us moving 0s and 1s and filling up Grant's harddrive.

[Globetrotter]

If coach Orr would be relieved of his coaching duties Chauncey could stay or leave on his own. I do not think him being a member of this team will weigh on if coach Orr is retained. One guy whom I would like to see coach here is Todd Lickliter. I know he didn't so well at Iowa, but Iowa is a hard place to recruit too, out in nowhere, and you have so many powerhouse is the Big 10. Lickliter did very well at Butler, turned them into a consistent top 25 team that Brad Stevens just continued to develop. Living in Indy I followed Lickliter and Butler and I think he would be a great fit at BG. He is currently on Charlie Coles staff at Miami and I believe is there to succeed Charlie so I think BG should make the move before he is hired there. I have nothing against Store or any of our assistants but if coach Orr is let go please do not promote within. We need a new direction.

This is a good thought. However, $168K annually that we pay to Orr just isn't competitive if we want to attract serious, established coaching talent. ...and with that, the overall coaching situation at BG has some major drawbacks, including the lack of fanbase and support from the student body and surrounding area. We MUST be able and willing to pay a higher salary, and that's just to start. Otherwise, all this talk about a new coach just amounts to us moving 0s and 1s and filling up Grant's harddrive.

Amazing that less then 10 years ago the student section was completely packed and you had to get there early to sit down low. I think that the administration can point to that as a means of getting a good coach in here. The key is the pay. How much does Coles make?

[jscottfitzwater]

$180,250.

[Drago]

You aren't going to get established coaches here anyway....Orr's salary isn't the issue...the key is finding a good assistant coach from a winning program that can motivate the players and maybe more impotantly motivate a fan base. Trying to lure coaches in with a better salary isnt what we need.

[BleedOrange]

You aren't going to get established coaches here anyway....Orr's salary isn't the issue...the key is finding a good assistant coach from a winning program that can motivate the players and maybe more impotantly motivate a fan base. Trying to lure coaches in with a better salary isnt what we need.

Hey Drago, here's the problem: when we actually DO attract a winning coach, we won't be able to keep him with the salaries we pay. That's our paradox. Any coach that we'd want to keep is a coach we cannot afford. We'll always be a stepping stone for coaches looking to move on to better jobs, and that is the BEST case scenario of us actually hiring coaches that come here and win.

I'd love to know what the salary expectations are among the nations best assistants looking to move into a head coaching jobs. I'd be willing to bet that many of them would pass on $168 from BG and wait for better money and a better situation.

[Drago]

Welcome to the MAC....almost always you're going to lose your successful coaches. That is just a fact.....when you set a successful tradition, you get better players based partially on reputation. See Kent State for an example. With our new facility and all BG has to offer there is no reason we can't have that same level if success. Once fans start attending games and we make some money then absolutely raise the salary, but for now it isn't the breaking point.

Fire GC and get someone in in place that actually knows sometime about winning and hiring coaches, six years are enough for to see he doesn't get it. The results speak for themselves.

That last paragraph is just for you gmartin....lol

[Falcon137]

BG shouldn't be afraid of being a stepping stone program. It's the same with football. I would rather have a coach that wins 3 MAC titles and books more than a coach who wins 15-18 games for 10 years.

Who knows maybe you get a Keith Dambrot type guy who would only leave for a certain job and wouldn't jump at just anything.

If BG decides to get rid of Orr the first call I'm making, if I'm Cristopher is to OSU assistant Jeff Boals.

[Falcon137]

I'd love to know what the salary expectations are among the nations best assistants looking to move into a head coaching jobs. I'd be willing to bet that many of them would pass on $168 from BG and wait for better money and a better situation.

It differs from school to school. But, I know Archie Miller at Dayton makes about $750,000 base salary, plus money for coaches shows, incentives, etc. He is 33 and was Arizona's top assistant.

So if you want to hire a real up and coming assistant it's going to be expensive.

[transfer2BGSU]

I personally enjoyed to child porn demonstration at halftime. It's no wonder out society is an abomination. If I had a daughter, there is no way I would let her at 10 years old dress like a whore and gyrate sexually in the name of dance. Disgusting.

I thought the same thing when I saw the girls in the leather pants gyrating like that. The only thing missing was a pole (so I am told; not that I would know anything about that).

If BG decides to get rid of Orr the first call I'm making, if I'm Cristopher is to OSU assistant Jeff Boals.

He made $150,000 in 2010 as an assistant at O$U.

[hammb]

You aren't going to get established coaches here anyway....Orr's salary isn't the issue...the key is finding a good assistant coach from a winning program that can motivate the players and maybe more impotantly motivate a fan base. Trying to lure coaches in with a better salary isnt what we need.

You touched on a key subject that I don't think has gotten nearly enough consideration from Christopher when he's hired coaches. It is NOT enough for a coach to come to BG and try to implement his system. Even if it works and they win, I just don't think that's enough here. BG is a city and school that just doesn't embrace the university athletics...and as such motivating the fan base is one of the top 2-3 jobs that a head coach has here, IMO. When I was in school we had Dakich for hoops and hired Meyer for football. Both of them went out of their way to recruit students and the community to support their programs. And they even became great buddies and worked together to promote the other's program as well.

This is something Orr doesn't do at all, and I think Clawson does a little bit, but not real great. Unfortunately for them both I think it's HIGHLY necessary for the positions they're in. They need to market their programs themselves...that's just the way it is here. And the types that do that are going to be the young highly motivated, highly energetic coaching candidates. I don't think that's ever going to be in Orr's nature, and I'm actually a bit disappointed that Clawson hasn't done more of it.

Beyond that, like somebody said, we cannot fear being a stepping stone. That is the level of athletics we compete in, and the nature of the beast. I'd much rather somebody come in and make a statement and move on, then mire in mediocrity for 10 years. Now that being said, we DO need to up the ante on our coaching salaries (basketball, at least), and the capability should be there to do that. We've received some VERY generous gifts specifically for basketball the past few years. Gifts that should make our hoops budget the highest in the league. There is no reason that we shouldn't be offering much higher salaries to prospective coaches than what Orr is currently making. That money should be spent to invest in the basketball program and return it to prominence...not merely stretching out the status quo for an additional decade or whatever. It wasn't that long ago that we packed Anderson by playing exciting basketball. Now with a top tier facility and an endowment that should give us the best hoops budget in the conference there is absolutely no reason we don't invest in better coaching and better recruiting to dominate this conference.

Of course that's all assuming that the Athletic Department doesn't rob hoops of their funding to support other sports.