I was really trying to avoid this . . . (THE update)

[OptionQB]

Ok, I was really hoping to avoid this and granted I have watched limited games and viewing time, but after watching the performance tonight when it was apparent that no defensive changes were coming and quite honestly I saw a lot of quit in the guys tonight too. The upperclassmen should be carrying this team considering the reluctance to play the younger kids and the amount of time they've spent on the floor with very little improvement.

Leaving an alley-oop literally 8 feet short of the rim and fouling 3pt shooters are not mistakes your junior point guard and senior captain should be making in the second half of a game that was a gift to be considered for in the first place.

At this point, I think I'm in favor of a change.

Here's the new 2012 Option run down:
Current Assistants:
Barry Hinton (Kansas), Tim Buckley (Indiana), Matthew Graves (Butler), Richard Pitino (Louisville), Craig Neal (New Mexico), Ray Giacoletti (Gonzaga), Lamont Paris (Wisconsin), Chris Jent (Ohio St.), Bacari Alexander (Michigan), Dwayne Stephens (Michigan St.), Dane Fife (Michigan St.), Patrick Sandle (Pittsburgh), Kenya Hunter (Georgetown), Chris Collins (Duke)
Former Head Coaches:
Hinton (Missouri State), Buckley (Ball State), Todd Lickliter (fmr. Iowa), Tony Jones (fmr. assist and then interim-Tennessee), Norm Roberts (fmr. St. Johns), Dane Fife (IPFW, now asst at Michigan State), Chris Lowry (fmr. Southern Illinois) and Darrin Horn (fmr. South Carolina)
Current Head Coaches:
Scott Sutton (Oral Roberts- not likely), Sean Woods (Ms Valley State), Gary Waters (Cleveland State- less likely than Sutton), Rob Jeter (UW-Milwaukee), Jeff Jones (American), Mike Jones (Radford, fmr. VCU assistant), Scotty Davenport (Bellarmine, D2 nat'l champs), Larry Hunter (Western Carolina) and Danny Hurley (Wagner)
Guys with BG Ties:
Steve Merfeld (Creighton), Greg Kampe (Oakland), David Greer (Grand Valley State), Dan Hipsher (Akron)

My personal top 10:
1. MATTHEW GRAVES, top assistant Butler and I'm not sure it's close right now
2. If you can talk me out of Graves, it would have to be Jent, Stephens or Alexander, top B1G assistants with recruiting ties
3. Chris Lowry and Darrin Horn, both have not only gotten to NCAAs but won multiple games in the dance. Expectations did them in NOT ability to coach.
4. Ray Giacoletti, he's from the Midwest and was a finalist at Northern Illinois. Took Eastern Washington to Tournament, Elite 8 run with Utah and now at Gonzaga, again victim of expectations.
5. Steve Merfeld, Evansville wasn't a great fit, but solid recruiter, won NCAA tournament game
6. Scotty Davenport, would be 1A or at worst 2 if I truly felt he would leave honey-hole Bellarmine
7. Sean Woods, from Indianapolis, played PG at Kentucky (early 90s) and blew big lead last night
8. Richard Pitino, has the pedigree, delivered top recruits to Billy Donovan, now working for Dad
9. Greg Kampe, how many times is this guy going to kick our ass? 478 wins, #500 would be sweet in the Stroh
10. Todd Lickliter, kept Butler on the map after Thad Matta and fell flat at Iowa with cupboard empty

[GB68]

Louis Orr has got to go! His miserable offense, lackidaisical defense, inability to motivate, questionable recruiting, lack of younger player development, irrational substitutions and inability to manage a game: what skills does he have that would merit keeping him? Another miserable end to another miserable season--the high water mark of this season was before Christmas! Louis Orr has got to go!

[factman]

You forget who hired him, and it would make him look BAD, if he fired him, and at the same time, costs the university a bunch of money for a buyout.
Dr. Mazey needs to get involved and get rid of the real problem.

[Warthog]

You forget who hired him, and it would make him look BAD, if he fired him, and at the same time, costs the university a bunch of money for a buyout.
Dr. Mazey needs to get involved and get rid of the real problem.

So factman, are you giving Christopher any credit for hiring the hockey coach that has his team playing at the Joe this weekend?

[h2oville rocket]

You forget who hired him, and it would make him look BAD, if he fired him, and at the same time, costs the university a bunch of money for a buyout.
Dr. Mazey needs to get involved and get rid of the real problem.

So factman, are you giving Christopher any credit for hiring the hockey coach that has his team playing at the Joe this weekend?

You all are very fortunate to have an AD who went to bat to keep hockey and is seeing it turn around. With his efforts to rebuild hockey, his fundraising and facilities improvement record GC has shown he is clearly one of the cream of the crop in the MAC.

[Globetrotter]

Ok, I was really hoping to avoid this and granted I have watched limited games and viewing time, but after watching the performance tonight when it was apparent that no defensive changes were coming and quite honestly I saw a lot of quit in the guys tonight too. The upperclassmen should be carrying this team considering the reluctance to play the younger kids and the amount of time they've spent on the floor with very little improvement.

Leaving an alley-oop literally 8 feet short of the rim and fouling 3pt shooters are not mistakes your junior point guard and senior captain should be making in the second half of a game that was a gift to be considered for in the first place.

At this point, I think I'm in favor of a change.

Here's the new 2012 Option run down:
Current Assistants:
Barry Hinton (Kansas), Tim Buckley (Indiana), Matthew Graves (Butler), Richard Pitino (Louisville), Craig Neal (New Mexico), Ray Giacoletti (Gonzaga), Lamont Paris (Wisconsin), Chris Jent (Ohio St.), Bacari Alexander (Michigan), Dwayne Stephens (Michigan St.), Dane Fife (Michigan St.), Patrick Sandle (Pittsburgh), Kenya Hunter (Georgetown), Chris Collins (Duke)
Former Head Coaches:
Hinton (Missouri State), Buckley (Ball State), Todd Lickliter (fmr. Iowa), Tony Jones (fmr. assist and then interim-Tennessee), Norm Roberts (fmr. St. Johns), Dane Fife (IPFW, now asst at Michigan State), Chris Lowry (fmr. Southern Illinois) and Darrin Horn (fmr. South Carolina)
Current Head Coaches:
Scott Sutton (Oral Roberts- not likely), Sean Woods (Ms Valley State), Gary Waters (Cleveland State- less likely than Sutton), Rob Jeter (UW-Milwaukee), Jeff Jones (American), Mike Jones (Radford, fmr. VCU assistant), Scotty Davenport (Bellarmine, D2 nat'l champs), Larry Hunter (Western Carolina) and Danny Hurley (Wagner)
Guys with BG Ties:
Steve Merfeld (Creighton), Greg Kampe (Oakland), David Greer (Grand Valley State), Dan Hipsher (Akron)

My personal top 10:
1. MATTHEW GRAVES, top assistant Butler and I'm not sure it's close right now
2. If you can talk me out of Graves, it would have to be Jent, Stephens or Alexander, top B1G assistants with recruiting ties
3. Chris Lowry and Darrin Horn, both have not only gotten to NCAAs but won multiple games in the dance. Expectations did them in NOT ability to coach.
4. Ray Giacoletti, he's from the Midwest and was a finalist at Northern Illinois. Took Eastern Washington to Tournament, Elite 8 run with Utah and now at Gonzaga, again victim of expectations.
5. Steve Merfeld, Evansville wasn't a great fit, but solid recruiter, won NCAA tournament game
6. Scotty Davenport, would be 1A or at worst 2 if I truly felt he would leave honey-hole Bellarmine
7. Sean Woods, from Indianapolis, played PG at Kentucky (early 90s) and blew big lead last night
8. Richard Pitino, has the pedigree, delivered top recruits to Billy Donovan, now working for Dad
9. Greg Kampe, how many times is this guy going to kick our ass? 478 wins, #500 would be sweet in the Stroh
10. Todd Lickliter, kept Butler on the map after Thad Matta and fell flat at Iowa with cupboard empty

One of my favorite posts each year. Even if we are not due for a new coach I would appreciate this thread every year just to see who is out there.

[factman]

You forget who hired him, and it would make him look BAD, if he fired him, and at the same time, costs the university a bunch of money for a buyout.
Dr. Mazey needs to get involved and get rid of the real problem.

So factman, are you giving Christopher any credit for hiring the hockey coach that has his team playing at the Joe this weekend?

Sure, but they finished at the bottom of the league too! I also give credit to him for trying to get rid of hockey, and if it weren't for Dr. Cartwright, probably would have gotten rid of it. Just look at his results of all sports and the percentages are not good.

[Warthog]

Louis Orr has got to go! His miserable offense, lackidaisical defense, inability to motivate, questionable recruiting, lack of younger player development, irrational substitutions and inability to manage a game: what skills does he have that would merit keeping him? Another miserable end to another miserable season--the high water mark of this season was before Christmas! Louis Orr has got to go!

"I thought we had a good season," Orr said. "We were 9-7 in the league, and getting 16 wins, I thought we did some good things. Could we have done better? We let some close games slip through our hands. But overall, I thought these guys did a good job and had a good year..."

Any coach that thinks this was a good year just doesn't have the fire that I want to see in a coach. If you took a poll of BG basketball fans, I bet less than 5% would say we had a good year. Most would say disappointing at best. Coach Orr may be a super nice guy, but I think a coach has to have a little more desire to excel than what I have seen here.

[guest44]

Those quotes sum it all up. Nice guy, but not motivated and the worst body language I've seen from a head coach. Add to that a bunch of assistant coaches no other program wants and you have 16-16 with 3 seniors. We went from Dakich, who after a tough loss looked as if someone drug him out back and beat him up, to Lou just shrugging those shoulders and looking about as professional as one of his players at a press conference. It's time to send Lou and his kid packing, and find a coach with some energy.

[orangeandbrown]

It is possible that he has an optimistic face to the public and feels differently in private.

[longtimeobserver]

You forget who hired him, and it would make him look BAD, if he fired him, and at the same time, costs the university a bunch of money for a buyout.
Dr. Mazey needs to get involved and get rid of the real problem.

So factman, are you giving Christopher any credit for hiring the hockey coach that has his team playing at the Joe this weekend?

Sure, but they finished at the bottom of the league too! I also give credit to him for trying to get rid of hockey, and if it weren't for Dr. Cartwright, probably would have gotten rid of it. Just look at his results of all sports and the percentages are not good.

Have to agree with Factman..... GC did nothing to keep hockey until the summer meeting with the hockey alumni scared him into doing something. So far Bergeron seems to be the only decent hire GC has made (and those results were in question 14 days ago).

[Flipper]

If you're going to call Begreron a good hire..you have to call Clawson a great hire

[Bubba Bo Bob Brain]

... I also give credit to him for trying to get rid of hockey, and if it weren't for Dr. Cartwright, probably would have gotten rid of it. Just look at his results of all sports and the percentages are not good.

I have yet to be convinced that nearly losing hockey was entirely GC's doing. Didn't Kent lose hockey while Dr. Cartwright was there? We have no idea what had been said behind closed doors up to that point. Only after it seemed likely hockey was outta here and only after the fan base pissed and moaned did she ride up on her donkey and challenge the fans to assist in keeping it alive. I'm not sure why she keeps getting painted as riding up on a white horse to save the day, particularly when I think of all the other things that happened across campus under her watch.

As for GC, was he hired to get coaches to win? As ass backwards as this may seem to most of us, I thought he was hired for his ability to raise funds, and just look: he got us the NCAA this year. I'm not particularly standing up for him, either - just saying that administrative priorities aren't always the same ones we normal people would set. "Farming out" a variety of services on campus may be another example.
Thus, they had dining services funds to dip into and assist them in buying out Brandon's contract. Where would they get the money to buy out Orr's contract if they wanted to?

In my mind, all the games related to athletics being played on campus are not on diamonds, pitches, fields, courts, or the ice.

[Globetrotter]

Hammb prsuaded me long ago that its all about momentum. And this team is stagnant if not going down.

While I disagree with Flipper, and thought our momentum in football closing the year 2-7 or whatever it was, was stoppe dnad going the wrong direction, I found his argument (increased wins every year, nice recruiting etc) compelling. I don't see a similar compelling argument here. The argument here for keeping him seems to be "Well atleast we are not awful"

[Falcon137]

Chris Lowery destroyed S. Illinois program.