BG vs EMU - MAC Tournament 2nd Round

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EMU's Lee and Talkey combined to score 48! Holmes didn't score in the second half, Henderson scored just 2 points and Parker just 4.

I kind of feel like this season we got a little bit of a taste of some fools gold. I think this team probably overachieved during the first two-thirds of the season and then came back down to earth for the final push. Where we a better team this year? Yes, no doubt. But I feel like our expectations, including my own, sort of rested on false hopes.

Unfortunately, as mentioned above, I agree and think we are going to take a step back next year.
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Sorry guys about the L.

Everybody on the Shocker board follows your team and they all root for you.

It is a bummer to lose in the conference post season tournament. I hope you get another tournament chance this year.

You have the good fortune of being able to look forward to next year with optimism. Nothing is worse than have a bummer team with no optimism. We know. Our 90s seasons were awful. Coaches Turgeon and Marshall pull us out of the swamp.

You have a fine coach. It will take a couple of recruiting classes to get the ship fully upright.
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I think last night showed the common thread of the losses in the last few weeks... the inability of BG to get big rebounds in big situations. It seemed like our players could never get a big defensive rebound last night. Ultimately, the beatings we took on the glass and the inability to get offensive rebounds cost us a chance for that bye.
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Falco_peregrinusana wrote:I think last night showed the common thread of the losses in the last few weeks... the inability of BG to get big rebounds in big situations. It seemed like our players could never get a big defensive rebound last night. Ultimately, the beatings we took on the glass and the inability to get offensive rebounds cost us a chance for that bye.
And when we did get the big rebound, we quickly lost it and gave away a wide open layup. Happened in the closing minutes of both the Buffalo and EMU games.
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Falco_peregrinusana wrote:I think last night showed the common thread of the losses in the last few weeks... the inability of BG to get big rebounds in big situations. It seemed like our players could never get a big defensive rebound last night. Ultimately, the beatings we took on the glass and the inability to get offensive rebounds cost us a chance for that bye.
I agree, and to add to that, we couldn't take care of the ball or score when we needed a bucket. The game was tied at 67-67 with just under 5:00 to play. EMU didn't exactly run away from us, they only scored 6 points the rest of the way and 4 of them came at the line because we fouled them. But it was 6 more points than we scored because we didn't score a single point. We were busy turning the ball over and missing shots in the biggest moments of the game. Our inability to close out close games down the stretch was our undoing and downfall.
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I think that can be traced all the way back to the Dayton game where we had a chance to win but went cold. This team has been prone to scoring droughts late in the game the entire year and 33 is exactly right in saying that's what killed us. Frustrating.
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At the end of games is where you need a true talented scorer and we didn't really have one. Clarke may be the closest we had but he plays out of control with the ball in his hands more times than not. Holmes developed a very good offensive game, but he was a project and not a natural pure scorer.

Louis Orr never recruited a single kid that could just SCORE the basketball. Jans did a remarkable job this year, but we NEED to find some scoring threats if we're going to win this thing.

When tournament time comes you have to have elite players you can lean on to get you points in crunch time. We haven't had one since McLeod.
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hammb wrote:At the end of games is where you need a true talented scorer and we didn't really have one. Clarke may be the closest we had but he plays out of control with the ball in his hands more times than not. Holmes developed a very good offensive game, but he was a project and not a natural pure scorer.

Louis Orr never recruited a single kid that could just SCORE the basketball. Jans did a remarkable job this year, but we NEED to find some scoring threats if we're going to win this thing.

When tournament time comes you have to have elite players you can lean on to get you points in crunch time. We haven't had one since McLeod.
I don't disagree but Henderson and Denny both did that in HS. You are 100% correct that those guys didn't turn into scorers on this level.

I completely agree about scoring, I am a little worried about Jans recruits and scoring. I thought we would see much more offensively from Dickerson (5.7)-Austin (3.6) and Joseph (4.2).

That is good for the 5th, 6th and 7th on the team. We lose 33ppg next year.
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He got the job in March. How much scoring would you expect him to find that late in the process? Also, he was left with a handful of players who didn't score 10ppg in high school.
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guest44 wrote:He got the job in March. How much scoring would you expect him to find that late in the process? Also, he was left with a handful of players who didn't score 10ppg in high school.
Not that much...but I would expect him to have his players foul in the final 0:56 of the game, down 4, instead of letting the opponent run 31 seconds off the clock...and then after missing the rebound let another 7 seconds run off before finally fouling with 18 seconds left! ;)
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Or they could have just scored right?
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Redwingtom wrote:
Falco_peregrinusana wrote:I think last night showed the common thread of the losses in the last few weeks... the inability of BG to get big rebounds in big situations. It seemed like our players could never get a big defensive rebound last night. Ultimately, the beatings we took on the glass and the inability to get offensive rebounds cost us a chance for that bye.
And when we did get the big rebound, we quickly lost it and gave away a wide open layup. Happened in the closing minutes of both the Buffalo and EMU games.
I was telling a friend of mine the same thing at the game Wednesday night... It just seemed like we were snake bitten. If we didn't fumble the ball out of bounds, we committed a foul or lost it to the opposing team under the basket...
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Falco_peregrinusana wrote:
Redwingtom wrote:
Falco_peregrinusana wrote:I think last night showed the common thread of the losses in the last few weeks... the inability of BG to get big rebounds in big situations. It seemed like our players could never get a big defensive rebound last night. Ultimately, the beatings we took on the glass and the inability to get offensive rebounds cost us a chance for that bye.
And when we did get the big rebound, we quickly lost it and gave away a wide open layup. Happened in the closing minutes of both the Buffalo and EMU games.
I was telling a friend of mine the same thing at the game Wednesday night... It just seemed like we were snake bitten. If we didn't fumble the ball out of bounds, we committed a foul or lost it to the opposing team under the basket...
It all boils down to inexperience in pressure situations, Our guys had never played a meaningful game in their careers...let alone late in the season or postseason. Winning tight games is a learned experience. You sometimes have to fail to later have success. Our guys returning next year will be better for having the experiences this year.

I've watched the MAC Tournament the last two nights and see guys from Kent, Akron, Toledo and Western Michigan that have been through many wars in Cleveland. Guys like David Brown, Chris Brewer, Juice Brown, Reggie McAdams, Pat Forsythe...the list goes on. Those guys also teach the younger players how to act and play in big games. Sadly, we had nobody with that kind of experience.

But I like what Jans is building. Hard to be patient when we've waited so long...
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