Next Year's Starting 5?

Tswam · Post by **Tswam** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 12:56 pm

I need some help here:

5 Vandermeer
2 Wright
1 Floyd or Robinson?
3 or 4 Soler??
3 or 4 ?????????

I'm probably a bigger fan of Floyd's than several of the basketball "experts" on here. I think he'd be great as the first guard off the bench with his energy and intelligence. Expecting him to be any more than a role player is a push.

We need to bring in some players. I have a pretty good handle on Marschall. I really don't know about the other recruits.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 1:01 pm

Moon should start next year. Floyd will be fine as a backup play 5-15 minutes per game. We need at least one more quick guard. Soler absolutely must become a consistent 10 ppg scorer. We will need both Vandermeer and Lefeld focused and ready to go next year at the 5 spot. Both will be important.

Many of us would love to read your scouting report on Marcshall. I'm envisioning a player along the lines of Joe Reitz of Western Michigan, but I really have no idea.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:01 pm

Why is everyone so quick to annoint Moon the starting PG position over Floyd. Is moon really going to jump leaps and bounds over this summer? His PT diminished as the season went on, it didnt grow. (Edit: Upon further review 3 of the last 5 games he had similar minuts to Floyd). I expect good things from him but for all of Floyds limitations he was second in the MAC in assists as a Sophomore. Moon will be the quickest player on the floor whenever he is in but on the defensive end he may be a liability if a big 1 try's to post up on him. You take a decent sized 1 and thats nearly half a foot taller than moon. I think he will be good, I am just not ready to anoint him starter yet.

mossmaidi · Post by **mossmaidi** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 2:39 pm

Moon is not a good player. I don't know what Dakich seen in him. He can't shoot a jumper or make a free throw. Floyd should start over him all the way. We need as many scoring options as we can get next year and Moon isn't one of them. I haven't seen one thing that his impressed me about him, AT ALL!

My lineup:

Floyd
Wright
Soler
Vandermeer
and someone else?

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:31 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote: (Edit: Upon further review 3 of the last 5 games he had similar minuts to Floyd).

Well, the last two games Floyd was playing with a badly sprained ankle. I think that explains the equal minutes more than anything. As I said in another thread, Moon is awful. There was a reason he had no other scholarship offers late last spring/summer when he showed up on our doorstep. Maybe he will decide to transfer somewhere else, like Owens CC.

kdog27 · Post by **kdog27** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 4:42 pm

mossmaidi wrote:Moon is not a good player. I don't know what Dakich seen in him. He can't shoot a jumper or make a free throw. Floyd should start over him all the way. We need as many scoring options as we can get next year and Moon isn't one of them. I haven't seen one thing that his impressed me about him, AT ALL!

My lineup:

Floyd
Wright
Soler
Vandermeer
and someone else?

That lineup is looking pretty pitiful to me. I fear next season even more so than I did this season.

We looked pretty good at times this season but we may have been showing some of our true colors near the end losing 4 out of 6, and the two victories by a combined 3 points. I am happy with the 18 wins we got but very unhappy the way they tanked off at the end of the season. It leaves me pessimistic for next season and with that lineup I think I have reason to be. Those names don't strike much fear into defenses.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:05 pm

At least Moon has potential.

Floyd has maxed out. He's a slow footed guy who seems to have mental lapses at the most inopportune times. He tries to take a charge about 5 times a game, and will get the call once in awhile, but give up an easy bucket the other times.

Moon has quicks, and you can work with someone who has that. Floyd is limited physically to being nothing better than average, and that'd be a pretty big step up right about now.

Right now Moon is an offensive liability, but no more so than Floyd is on the other end of the court. Pick your poison with these too. I'll take my chances letting Moon play and hopefully he'll figure out some offensive game, because I doubt very seriously if Floyd will ever get quicker feet.

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 5:08 pm

Incoming recruits aside (we really have no idea how good they're going to be), I'm afraid our starting five of returners would be bench players on a lot of teams in the MAC right now. I think next season is going to be like the two years before this last one. How long again until football season starts......?

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:05 pm

hammb wrote:At least Moon has potential.

Floyd has maxed out. He's a slow footed guy who seems to have mental lapses at the most inopportune times. He tries to take a charge about 5 times a game, and will get the call once in awhile, but give up an easy bucket the other times.

Moon has quicks, and you can work with someone who has that. Floyd is limited physically to being nothing better than average, and that'd be a pretty big step up right about now.

Right now Moon is an offensive liability, but no more so than Floyd is on the other end of the court. Pick your poison with these too. I'll take my chances letting Moon play and hopefully he'll figure out some offensive game, because I doubt very seriously if Floyd will ever get quicker feet.

How can you say he maxed out and then directly afterward say that one of his problems is mental lapses at inopportune times? The guy is a Sophomore. He certainly, fairly easily, can and should with maturity improve on the mental lapses part.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 6:40 pm

BGSU33 wrote:Incoming recruits aside (we really have no idea how good they're going to be), I'm afraid our starting five of returners would be bench players on a lot of teams in the MAC right now. I think next season is going to be like the two years before this last one. How long again until football season starts......?

Atleast the young guys should get some Pt. I actually expect us to go as Vanermeer and the Freshman take us. Wright/Soler and Floyd are solid role players. We need a team focus.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:47 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote:
How can you say he maxed out and then directly afterward say that one of his problems is mental lapses at inopportune times? The guy is a Sophomore. He certainly, fairly easily, can and should with maturity improve on the mental lapses part.

Okay, hopefully he can correct his mental lapses, but those are NOT his biggest issue. I don't think he sees the court that well for a PG, which is something you cannot teach, you are born with it. Worst of all whenever he is playing he will always be the slowest PG on the court, and will be a liability on the defensive end. He's also a terrible ball handler, which you rarely see players improve upon after they're already in college. That sort of thing is worked on at the Jr. High level, but this age its real tough to turn someone into a good ball handler. Have you ever seen a point guard get the ball knocked away from behind as much as Floyd does?

The deal on Moon is simple. He should've been redshirted. The guy is a good athlete and is incredibly quick. The guy showed the ability to beat his man off the dribble and penetrate, but he was lost once he got into the lane. He needs to learn to kick the ball out after penetrating the defense. That CAN be taught. You can also teach shooting. There are countless examples of guys who improved upon their jump shot while in college. If he's willing to put in the work he could improve.

Unfortunately we were in a position where we had to play Moon this year when he should've been on the bench wearing a Redshirt. Too bad the mass exodus of guards in the past few seasons put us behind the eight ball in needing him to play right away. From the looks of it he wasn't ready.

All I know from watching them play is that Moon has the tools and needs refinement. Floyd is more refined right now, but doesn't have any tools. The ceiling on Floyd is not much higher than where he's at right now. Moon has potential to be a darn good PG, but needs time in the gym to get to that point.

Dayons_Den · Post by **Dayons_Den** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:54 pm

John Floyd thinks he is Brandon Pardon at times.

John Floyd is most definitely not Brandon Pardon at this point in his career.

He is also not Mick Milnark.

For my (and hammb's and option's) sanity I hope Floyd puts a lot of work in over the summer and looks at the PG job as his to earn and pushes himself to get better and pull the trigger on the BP-esque pases a half second earlier, hit some more jump shots, and dribble drive to create instead of just get ahead of himself in the lane.