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Aaaannnnddd yet ANOTHER loss to Akron! I could see this one coming all game long. I just expected it with under :10 left or so, but instead, it happened with a minute left. The Zips have now won 36 of the last 41 games vs BG! Think about that for a minute…BG is just 5-36 vs Akron in that stretch. Not vs Duke. Not vs Kansas. We’re talking about a conference foe. That’s years and years and years and years and years (keep adding a bunch of years) of putrid misery to Akron. BG opened up with a 17-4 lead and never trailed until the final minute. And yet, it ended up just like it has gone for decades now. No matter the players, coaches, arenas or standings, BG will find a way to lose to Akron. That much is a guarantee. Pathetic…
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At least we tried to play defense but I still have no clue what our offensive Gameplan is.
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Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 7:59 pm Why was that goal tending?
My opinion was the ball was above the rim. I'm not sure that's why they called it though
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fanatic13 wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:23 pm
Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 7:59 pm Why was that goal tending?
My opinion was the ball was above the rim. I'm not sure that's why they called it though
Definitely was in the cylinder. That's a goal tend.
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Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:22 pm At least we tried to play defense but I still have no clue what our offensive Gameplan is.
Best defense and rebounding effort we've shown all season but yeah our offensive plan is ugly. Tough to win with 8a to 15 TOs as well.

I'll always continue to harp on it that I don't know how Johnson actually helps you win. If he's not scoring 25+ he's a negative player. And we save all our TOs to get him on/off the court...and he still missed big free throws and and finds a way to get abused on the few defensive possessions he plays.

End of the day though the big issue tonight was missing towns/yoyo. Basically played 7 guys and they actually competed defensively. We're gassed by the end of these games. Kudos to Exacte and Felt on the glass though they were really good.

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hammb wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:38 pm
Hammer wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:22 pm At least we tried to play defense but I still have no clue what our offensive Gameplan is.
Best defense and rebounding effort we've shown all season but yeah our offensive plan is ugly. Tough to win with 8a to 15 TOs as well.

I'll always continue to harp on it that I don't know how Johnson actually helps you win. If he's not scoring 25+ he's a negative player. And we save all our TOs to get him on/off the court...and he still missed big free throws and and finds a way to get abused on the few defensive possessions he plays.

End of the day though the big issue tonight was missing towns/yoyo. Basically played 7 guys and they actually competed defensively. We're gassed by the end of these games. Kudos to Exacte and Felt on the glass though they were really good.

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I agree wholeheartedly with what was said. The energy from the team was great (until the last minute or so), the energy in the arena was actually way higher than I expected it to be, and it felt like the team wanted to be there.

When it got under 4 minutes, we forced a few fastbreaks which led to missed layups where we could've controlled the clock a little bit more. It is disappointing but this was definitely a better effort than the non-conference which is promising.
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The scorers table is a disaster every year. Mistake after mistake with the score, the clock. It’s all part of the half ass charm of BGSU athletics.
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hammb wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:38 pm
Best defense and rebounding effort we've shown all season but yeah our offensive plan is ugly. Tough to win with 8a to 15 TOs as well.

I'll always continue to harp on it that I don't know how Johnson actually helps you win. If he's not scoring 25+ he's a negative player. And we save all our TOs to get him on/off the court...and he still missed big free throws and and finds a way to get abused on the few defensive possessions he plays.

End of the day though the big issue tonight was missing towns/yoyo. Basically played 7 guys and they actually competed defensively. We're gassed by the end of these games. Kudos to Exacte and Felt on the glass though they were really good.
I agree with this, Felt especially did terrific! Tough L man, Thomas played great but got a bit cold in the second half
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I agree with a lot of what others said. Felt is becoming a nice piece especially when not in foul trouble. It’s too bad Towns got hurt because that rotation on the inside would change a lot defensively. Exacte played his best game as a Falcon last night. Hopefully he is getting healthy. They could really use him and Braelon Green finding a shot offensively.

I thought the defense was incredibly sloppy down the stretch. Some parts fatigue, some parts awful rotations, some parts Johnson being the worst defender I’ve seen. I also questioned why Simon didn’t use a timeout to settle things down and get his team as many breathers as possible. Simon losing close games down the stretch is becoming a trend. It happened a lot last year.

They have some life just hope they can get some bodies back and find something toward the back half of the MAC season.
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guest44 wrote: Sat Jan 04, 2025 8:52 am I agree with a lot of what others said. Felt is becoming a nice piece especially when not in foul trouble. It’s too bad Towns got hurt because that rotation on the inside would change a lot defensively. Exacte played his best game as a Falcon last night. Hopefully he is getting healthy. They could really use him and Braelon Green finding a shot offensively.

I thought the defense was incredibly sloppy down the stretch. Some parts fatigue, some parts awful rotations, some parts Johnson being the worst defender I’ve seen. I also questioned why Simon didn’t use a timeout to settle things down and get his team as many breathers as possible. Simon losing close games down the stretch is becoming a trend. It happened a lot last year.

They have some life just hope they can get some bodies back and find something toward the back half of the MAC season.
It goes back a way, but I could make a case that Johnson might be the worst defensive player we've ever had. On many possessions we would actually be better off defensively if he just stayed in the front court in the hopes of cherrypicking off a turnover. He gets in his own teammates' way more often than he actually guards anybody. He sags so far off his man (because he can't guard off the dribble) in the perimeter that often times I cannot figure out what purpose he serves. Opponents are putting him into every action they can, and he's so bad dealing with screens he frequently takes himself and his teammate out of the play. It's ROUGH. You almost have to go zone with him out there just so he's not messing up the other defenders.

Coach Srulovich was on the radio postgame yesterday and said they spent a good portion of their extra week of practice re-thinking their defensive philosophies, and I thought it showed, especially early on. They were blitzing passing lanes and getting their hands on balls that we haven't seen all year. This group is never going to be elite on defense, but they have to continue with that sort of effort. Especially if they want to run; you have to create turnovers to do that.

I really like Felt as a help defender and rebounder. He's gotten some man's rebounds this year that we haven't seen from others in that role recently. Would like to see him contribute on the offensive end though. IT's pretty rough when they try to dump the ball into him. At this point he's just out there for rebounds putbacks. If our perimeter players showed more juice off the dribble he could be an asset with a giant athlete getting dunks, but we don't seem to attack enough off the dribble (or make plays off it anyhow) for that to be useful.

Green turned down several 3s last night off dribbles/kicks. He MUST trigger those shots. Exacte had a memorable one late in the 2nd half off a Thomas feed where he was the only guy within 10 feet and he clanked it. We need those guys to start making some shots from the perimeter. Especially Exacte because he almost never shoots from inside the arc. I don't know if it's fair to single guys out though. Our offense is just brutal to watch; basically even in a:to as a team and that includes the bigger totals against the worst of our schedule.

Ultimately this season's story could very well end up being whatif YoYo & Towns were healthy. I, for one, would be intrigued by a Frontcourt of Yoyo/Towns/Felt, that's some size/athleticism that the MAC would struggle with. I still don't think this squad is at the top of the MAC, but it's tough to judge a group missing 2 starters that you expect to get 40-50 minutes per night with as well.
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The only recent comparison I can think of defensively that poor was the combo of Mattos, Swingle, and Gabe I can’t even remember his last name. Those were a collection of terrible defenders equal to what is happening now when Johnson is the tallest player on the floor.
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My wife and I attended our first game of the season. My wife's not a big bb fan, but it took her only ten minutes to say 'what are we doing on offense? One guy dribbles until the shot clock is under 5 then we chuck up a 3-pointer.' Thought that was a really good assessment.
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Warthog wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 9:15 am My wife and I attended our first game of the season. My wife's not a big bb fan, but it took her only ten minutes to say 'what are we doing on offense? One guy dribbles until the shot clock is under 5 then we chuck up a 3-pointer.' Thought that was a really good assessment.
We have no plan.

I use it as coaching for the 9yo on what NOT to do offensively.

Unfortunately he's taken to just yelling at Johnson for being too fat to play. Which I didn't say, I merely comment on the fact the kid cannot defend...my son has deduced its due to his size. LOL
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hammb wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 10:06 am We have no plan.

I use it as coaching for the 9yo on what NOT to do offensively.

Unfortunately he's taken to just yelling at Johnson for being too fat to play. Which I didn't say, I merely comment on the fact the kid cannot defend...my son has deduced its due to his size. LOL
Your son is right. He was completely winded after the last TV timeout, you could see it on his face. I don't think our offense is really that bad, it sets screens and relies on the ballhandler to drive and either score or kick it. This is why Hill did so good in the offense, it needs that type of PG to set the rest of the team up. But if you aren't setting good screens or hitting 3's it won't work well. They didn't shoot too hot and struggled when Felt wasn't out there. He isn't the best scorer but he does a terrific job playing defense and setting picks.
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