Gordon and Reece Dismissed

[jpfalcon09]

Do we have any idea what his buyout actually is?

From what I found, last updated in October 2019.

Buyout if Fired Without Cause: 100% of remaining money owed
Buyout if Coach Terminates Contract: $150,000 through March 31, 2020; $125,000 if between April 1, 2020 and March 31, 2021

Then this nugget haha.

Contract Term Ends: March 31, 2024; contract term will automatically extend one year if team receives an invitation to the NCAA Tournament or NIT.

Believe his base is $415K so if he's canned, university is on the hook for at least $830K.

[Matty B]

Really appreciate the insight from Mr Reece. Absolutely alarming two players were let go without warning or incident. Joe is definitely a fan favorite, we all love his energy on a team otherwise completely devoid of it.

Definitely was noticing the trend of certain players not passing to others, and even refusing to "high five" when subbed out. Won't mention names but one might be a guard starting over Myron.

Just a disaster of a situation that needs a complete overhaul and we as loyal supporters deserve answers from the administration. Leaving the Buffalo game I have never seen so many die hard fans with a "what am I even doing here" look on their face.

[Schadenfreude]

Typically...the end result of "reputation rating" features on message boards is they're used to discredit and isolate people with a contrarian view to the popular kids.

We have one pesty contributor here whose takes and personal grudges are so consistently toxic and intellectually dishonest that a sizable chunk of the people left here have blocked him. But the pest himself faces no consequences.

Reputation ratings could help. It isn't bullying to suggest that people should have some accountability for what they say. Post consistently ill-informed or dishonest takes, and your reputation may suffer. Free speech doesn't mean freedom from all consequences.

[jpfalcon09]

Really appreciate the insight from Mr Reece. Absolutely alarming two players were let go without warning or incident. Joe is definitely a fan favorite, we all love his energy on a team otherwise completely devoid of it.

Definitely was noticing the trend of certain players not passing to others, and even refusing to "high five" when subbed out. Won't mention names but one might be a guard starting over Myron.

Just a disaster of a situation that needs a complete overhaul and we as loyal supporters deserve answers from the administration. Leaving the Buffalo game I have never seen so many die hard fans with a "what am I even doing here" look on their face.

So given these events, if you could only pick one coach to be let go, would it be Huger or Loeffler? University absolutely does not have the resources for both.

[Flipper]

I'm assuming buyout cost is mitigated by alternative employment?

[Flipper]

Typically...the end result of "reputation rating" features on message boards is they're used to discredit and isolate people with a contrarian view to the popular kids.

We have one pesty contributor here whose anonymous takes and personal grudges are so consistently toxic and intellectually dishonest that a sizable chunk of the people left here have blocked him. But the pest himself faces no consequences.

Reputation ratings could help. It isn't bullying to suggest that people should have some accountability for what they say. Post consistently ill-informed or dishonest takes, and your reputation may suffer. Free speech doesn't mean freedom from all consequences.

So you want to move elsewhere to rid yourself of one poster you could just put on ignore? Seems like an overreaction

[hammb]

Really appreciate the insight from Mr Reece. Absolutely alarming two players were let go without warning or incident. Joe is definitely a fan favorite, we all love his energy on a team otherwise completely devoid of it.

Definitely was noticing the trend of certain players not passing to others, and even refusing to "high five" when subbed out. Won't mention names but one might be a guard starting over Myron.

Just a disaster of a situation that needs a complete overhaul and we as loyal supporters deserve answers from the administration. Leaving the Buffalo game I have never seen so many die hard fans with a "what am I even doing here" look on their face.

So given these events, if you could only pick one coach to be let go, would it be Huger or Loeffler? University absolutely does not have the resources for both.

For me it's easily Huger, even though I think Loeffler is a worse coach. Firstly, and most importantly, I still care about hoops...football can go away at this point as far as I'm concerned. Secondly Huger has had far more time here to prove himself and continues to fail.

And most importantly basketball, not football, has the private funding in place specifically to attempt to elevate the program. The buyout would be painful but largely only represents the usage of a single year of the Frack dollars. That money was to make our program better and at this point no better way to improve the program than to reboot on coaching.


Now to flippers point...no way in hell I'm letting Moose hire another coach. So we're likely stuck with Huger for at least one more season unless we're willing to do a coach search over the summer (which I'd be ok with), when it's pretty late in the year for a hoops coach search.

[Schadenfreude]

no way in hell I'm letting Moose hire another coach.

How do you propose to stop him? He's the athletic director.

[hammb]

no way in hell I'm letting Moose hire another coach.

How do you propose to stop him? He's the athletic director.

Hire a new one. If his contract is up in May I'd be very upfront with him that his contract will not be renewed and that we're looking for his replacement now. He will continue in title without the power to make major personnel decisions below him.

If his contract does not expire in May as we've heard then I would be looking for how to get him fired sooner and get a new ad in time to hire a hoops coach now.

Either way it's not like he has carte blanche to do whatever he wants just because he's the AD. He answers to somebody (presumably the president and/or trustees) and if I were in any of those positions no way in hell I'm letting him hire another coach.

[Flipper]

If I had to pick who to keep...I would keep Loeffler. Yeah...he runs way too many 12 formations that take eight years to develop...but he has a discernable coaching philosophy. Robyn Fralick has a philosophy...push the ball to the hoop and kick it out for an open three. I don't know what Huger is shooting for...there doesn't seem to be an overriding philosophy there

[Schadenfreude]

no way in hell I'm letting Moose hire another coach.

How do you propose to stop him? He's the athletic director.

Hire a new one. If his contract is up in May I'd be very upfront with him that his contract will not be renewed and that we're looking for his replacement now. He will continue in title without the power to make major personnel decisions below him.

If his contract does not expire in May as we've heard then I would be looking for how to get him fired sooner and get a new ad in time to hire a hoops coach now.

Either way it's not like he has carte blanche to do whatever he wants just because he's the AD. He answers to somebody (presumably the president and/or trustees) and if I were in any of those positions no way in hell I'm letting him hire another coach.

It seems possible that our athletic director's job is secure right now. A better hypothetical might be to discuss what we would do if you were the athletic director.

That's a tough question, because we need to better understand why Huger took the roster actions he did this week. I'm skeptical we have the full story in front of us right now.

[Buckeye Bullitt 93]

Meanwhile down in Las Cruces, Chris Jans has his Aggies sitting at 21-4 & 11-2 in the WAC. On the cusp of going to the dance for the 4th time in 5 years.

If I could go back in time I'd go into Reverends on that fateful night and throw my body in front of that attempted arse grab, and change the course of BGSU basketball history.

[Globetrotter]

no way in hell I'm letting Moose hire another coach.

How do you propose to stop him? He's the athletic director.

Hire a new one. If his contract is up in May I'd be very upfront with him that his contract will not be renewed and that we're looking for his replacement now. He will continue in title without the power to make major personnel decisions below him.

If his contract does not expire in May as we've heard then I would be looking for how to get him fired sooner and get a new ad in time to hire a hoops coach now.

Either way it's not like he has carte blanche to do whatever he wants just because he's the AD. He answers to somebody (presumably the president and/or trustees) and if I were in any of those positions no way in hell I'm letting him hire another coach.

Morgan Freeman pointing up saying "He's right you know"

[Globetrotter]

It comes down to one question for me. Who could I see winning the MAC more easily Loeffler or Huger.

It's easily Loeffler IMO. First 4 games of last year were actually pretty fun if I remember. Then the wheels fell off.

[BillyLP]

Wasn't it mentioned by someone on here with some inside info that it's pretty sure Moose is not going to be extended? At this point, if I had to choose, I'd let Huger go, preferably three days ago before he made the dumb decision to cut two players with three games to go. Like Flip mentioned, Loeffler at least has a plan to reach his goals, whether it ends up being successful or not. Huger seems to be drowning because he tread water for too long.