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orangeandbrown wrote:My two cents. I like Dan Dakich a lot. Our program needs to turn around. I hope Dan Dakich is the one who does it, but I know he can't be given forever to do it. Remember, sometimes the next coach isn't better. On balance, I would be sad if he leaves, and I hope if he does its for a better situation. I don't believe he has a serious shot at the IU job, but that's not based on any actual knowledge.

I think that DD can be very successful in D1, but he needs to get out of BG and get a fresh start. However, it's hard to imagine him getting the IU job. If he's borderline at best for an extension at BG, he's hardly a candidate for IU. He's more likely to be an assistant at a major or to a a low mid major job, such as in the OVC. He'll end up just fine.

I've been extremely critical of DD lately. I don't like his philosophies or his basketball product. However, I like him a lot personally, and I have no doubt that he'll end up doing well, somewhere.

Interestingly, coach Lasagna's stock has risen since leaving BG. His program at GMU is in great shape. Perhaps he'll be a candidate for his dream job, UVA?
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Here are five who fit that bill:
• Steve Alford, 1987 was his last year at IU: Coach at Iowa; has 11 years of Division I experience.
• Randy Wittman, 1983: Hasn't been a college coach, but was 62-102 in two years with the Cleveland Cavaliers. Now an assistant with Orlando.
• Dan Dakich, 1985: A longtime Bob Knight assistant, he is 143-115 at Bowling Green.
• Jim Crews, 1976: He's the Army coach, and former Evansville coach. He was a Knight assistant for eight seasons.
• Keith Smart, 1988: Smart coached the Cavaliers for part of one season and coached the CBA's Fort Wayne team. He is an assistant with the Golden State Warriors.
I think Alford would be the best fit for the Hoosiers. I don't know why Matta would want to leave OSU right now with the recruits he has signed for next year and with the rediculous talent he has verballed in future classes. Ohio, as a prep state, is absolutely loaded in the upcoming years. He'd be crazy to leave for IU right now.

Also -- he doesn't have an opt out for certain schools, as it was once believed. He has a small time-frame where he can negotiate deals with other schools, but I don't see him going anywhere in the next few years. He's got the largest athletic budget in the country, he's got a 7 year-old arena and some of the best facilities and he has rediculous talent coming to Columbus.[/quote]
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I find it hard to believe that Indiana and their AD will take someone who played under Knight, or has the same coaching style. I thought I heard Kevin Stallings was the guy who the AD wanted and that Davis would have been gone last off season, but IU had financial issues after having to fire DiNardo.
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hammb wrote:Still I love how his teams play with heart and always leave it all on the court.
Hammb, I agree with what you are saying. Dakich's players go all out all the time. The results of which I find very strange. Teams with talent can win with offense. Teams lacking in talent have to play their butts off on the defensive end and out-rebound their opponents to have a chance. So what I find strange is that our guys play their butts off, yet we are the worst rebounding team in the MAC. And we are so bad at rebounding, that Dakich was laughing on the pre-game show tonight about out-rebounding UT. :? Also, we lead the nation in foul percentage (we commit more fouls than any one else in the country :x ) Commiting fouls and not rebounding are not things you expect to see from a team that plays as hard as we do. Can someone explain to me how this all happens without being a function of poor coaching? :?
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Warthog wrote: Can someone explain to me how this all happens without being a function of poor coaching? :?
Perhaps because of the fact that, for many reasons, we have a very small lineup on the floor most of the time? That isn't the fault of coaching (within the framework of a game itself, anyways).
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San Diego Falcon wrote:
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I waffle and flip-flop on this all the time. At the end of the day, I come back to thinking that things could be much worse, and probably not that much better, with someone else,
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Why?

I don't understand why so many people think this. Why it is unrealistic to think a another coach could do better? There is plenty of room for improvement. 4-5 years ago I would have agreed that we could not do much better than Dakich, but things are not like they were than in so many ways.
I guess the key word is "much" as in "much better". Dakich has won MAC titles, but not tourney titles. Would we feel so much better about him if those one of those teams had made the NCAA tourney (if Miami hadn't hit that 35-footer at the buzzer)?

The MAC has been a one-bid conference for the past several years and it seems like that isn't going to change, unfortunately. We could bring in a new coach and run off 5 straight 20-win seasons and still be sitting at home each year like we've been recently. I am not sure that is "much" better. OTOH, we could bring in a new coach and have a string of losing seasons and poor student-athletes who don't represent our university very well. I am sure that is "much" worse.
OK, but I would much rather take a chance. Sure things could get worse, that is always that possibility. Whether you agree with the rehiring after WVU or not things have been in somewhat of a spiral ever since. I just can't see us ever getting back to where we were before the WVU thing. Any more the best I can see is a team like last years and I can see many more years similar to this one. Maybe that is good enough for you but I would much rather take a shot at something better.

I think Dan Dakich was (he probably still is) a great coach but I believe his success here peaked. It happens to people in all kinds of professions, they just need something new.
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San Diego Falcon wrote:
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I waffle and flip-flop on this all the time. At the end of the day, I come back to thinking that things could be much worse, and probably not that much better, with someone else,
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Why?

I don't understand why so many people think this. Why it is unrealistic to think a another coach could do better? There is plenty of room for improvement. 4-5 years ago I would have agreed that we could not do much better than Dakich, but things are not like they were than in so many ways.
I guess the key word is "much" as in "much better". Dakich has won MAC titles, but not tourney titles. Would we feel so much better about him if those one of those teams had made the NCAA tourney (if Miami hadn't hit that 35-footer at the buzzer)?

The MAC has been a one-bid conference for the past several years and it seems like that isn't going to change, unfortunately. We could bring in a new coach and run off 5 straight 20-win seasons and still be sitting at home each year like we've been recently. I am not sure that is "much" better. OTOH, we could bring in a new coach and have a string of losing seasons and poor student-athletes who don't represent our university very well. I am sure that is "much" worse.
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San Diego Falcon wrote:
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Originally posted by San Diego Falcon:
I waffle and flip-flop on this all the time. At the end of the day, I come back to thinking that things could be much worse, and probably not that much better, with someone else,
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Why?

I don't understand why so many people think this. Why it is unrealistic to think a another coach could do better? There is plenty of room for improvement. 4-5 years ago I would have agreed that we could not do much better than Dakich, but things are not like they were than in so many ways.
I guess the key word is "much" as in "much better". Dakich has won MAC titles, but not tourney titles. Would we feel so much better about him if those one of those teams had made the NCAA tourney (if Miami hadn't hit that 35-footer at the buzzer)?

The MAC has been a one-bid conference for the past several years and it seems like that isn't going to change, unfortunately. We could bring in a new coach and run off 5 straight 20-win seasons and still be sitting at home each year like we've been recently. I am not sure that is "much" better. OTOH, we could bring in a new coach and have a string of losing seasons and poor student-athletes who don't represent our university very well. I am sure that is "much" worse.
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Tricky_Falcon wrote:The chances of Dakich actually getting the job at IU are slim and none. Yes he is an Indiana boy but IU is going to want a person that can win right away. Rumors on IU's message board is that they want Thad Matta and that Matta has a clause in his contract that says one of the teams that he can go to is IU. Who knows if that is true or wishful thinking on the Hoosiers end.
If Matta says he is staying at OSU, then he is leaving, he did the same thing to Xavier
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Warthog is right......I've said it before and I'll say it again.....too many people confuse playing "hard" with playing "well." I can't believe people think that Indiana would actually want Dakich as a head coach.....there's no way. He'll be around BG for another year because we can't afford to buy him out and nobody else in D1 will want him.
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DrDesert wrote: nobody else in D1 will want him.


I highly doubt that's the case. You're telling me Coppin State wouldn't take Dan Dakich?
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We foul a lot because we play a lot of man to man defense. Playing good, tight man to man defense is a lost art at just about every level. I suspect the intensity that we practice with is a factor also. If you're going really hard in practice and doing things that will be called a foul in a game situation, guess what will happen in a game situation. We don't rebound well because we're small. Our post players are a kid who can barely walk (but plays his heart out anyway) and a freshman who's better suited to play facing the basket on the wing.

I'd be suprised to see DD coaching IU, but he was a candidate for the DePaul job last year. I don't think too many high major AD's have the guts to bring in a mid major coach coming off a losing season, much less three out of four.
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Coaches names are always tossed about as "candidates" for coaching jobs, but few of them really are candidates. He blew his chance with West Virginia, after experiencing some success using Larranaga's recruits. I really don't think that Coppin State would want him......unless they're only looking for someone to give them name recognition. Nobody will want this guy, but we're stuck with him for at least another year.
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Tricky_Falcon wrote: Also on an unrelated note we always talk about Dakich not using his bench if you watch college basketball most teams do not go deep into their bench. You are not going to see more than seven or eight players get significant playing time. Dakich's rotation is no different than any other college basketball team. If you don't believe me look at other teams minutes played thus far. You will find 7-8 players on each roster that have logged over 300 minutes in the season so far.
I decided to take a look at the MAC stats to compare how we are with PT to the other teams in the MAC. I used 350 minutes as the cutoff point for what determines a "regular" player, although that's probably not the best way to define regular since some teams have played 3-4 more games than others, but it's what I used.

Here are the overall stats on MAC Minutes:

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Looking at that we were middle of the pack in most categories. Tough to take a lot from that. It could be worth noting, that my cutoff of 350 made us have a fairly typical number of regular players. However, most other teams had at least one guy in the 200-350 range, where our next highest was actually 170 minutes by Dusan. Of course he's been injured a few times and may have been in the 200+ category if healthy.

Since I didn't see much there, I decided to take a look at just our top 5 minutes guys and see how they stack up:

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With this table we can see that we do expect a lot of minutes out of our top 5 guys, in comparison with the rest of the league. Of course I didn't calculate % of minutes on this one, because I was too lazy...it's possible that we've played more OTs than other teams forcing this to be skewed, but I doubt we've played enough to be statistically relevant.

Well looking at the minutes it appeared that we didn't really expect our top guys to play that much more than others, but it still seems that way when you watch our games. I got to thinking, maybe our non-regulars just suck, and that's why the impression is formed. So I decided to take a look at how many ppg other teams get from their non regular players.

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Now looking at this set of stats it looks as though we are again among the worst in the league at getting production from the bottom end of our roster. One of the teams behind us (KSU) only has 2 non-regular contributors to their team, so their average per player would be much better.


Looking through these stats it seems apparent that we use our bench pretty similarly to most MAC teams. Sure we seem to expect more from our top 5 than most, but overall our top rotation of 7 guys plays pretty similar minutes to most other teams. Our problem seems to be that outside of our top 7 we get almost NOTHING from the other guys, whereas most teams are getting at least some semblance of production from those guys.

I still think, watching the games, that there are times we should be playing our end of the bench guys more, but statistically we're about average. Especially when you consider that 3 of those non-regulars are fairly highly touted Freshmen that are not getting much PT to develop. It is patently obvious, however, that whenever those guys are getting in the game we aren't getting much from them, at least in the terms of points.
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Flipper wrote:We foul a lot because we play a lot of man to man defense. Playing good, tight man to man defense is a lost art at just about every level. I suspect the intensity that we practice with is a factor also. If you're going really hard in practice and doing things that will be called a foul in a game situation, guess what will happen in a game situation.


We are dead last in the NCAA in fouls per game at 24.8. LAST out of 326 teams. If our man-to-man defense is that bad we have to foul, why would you not try a zone at some point? And why would the coach allow players to "foul" in practice and let it go when you know that stuff is getting called in the game.
Flipper wrote:We don't rebound well because we're small. Our post players are a kid who can barely walk (but plays his heart out anyway) and a freshman who's better suited to play facing the basket on the wing.
Yes we are small. I have two thoughts in regard to that. First, who is responsible for getting the players on the team? The coach. The coach knows what his teams needs are (or should) and recruit accordingly. We need big men and all we seem to go after are shooting guards and small forwards. Second, rebounding is about technique and desire. A 5'9" guard will get a rebound against a 6'4" guy if he boxes him out properly. With a small lineup it is essential that you box out to get rebounds. The coach has to work on this in practice. Are we working on boxing out at all? :?
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