Mind Games

rollalong94 · Post by **rollalong94** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:14 pm

The Plain Dealer article implied that the shot to the head was the main factor.
From the article:
Once Samarco took an elbow shot to the head in the second half, he was done for the night as Dakich kept him on the bench.

"He didn't remember getting hit," Dakich said. "When that happens, you [have] got to be careful."

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Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:28 pm

Damn you Dakich for watching out for your players' safety.

HoustonFalcon · Post by **HoustonFalcon** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:45 pm

Looks like the only mind game that was played was the one with an elbow. Some of you guys and girls really need to get a grip on how you run a program. There is no way that you can start adjusting your coaching Style to fit your players. That would mean that you have to tone it down a little bit with some players, and after that, you lose them. Trust me, I know. A lot of these kids have become spoiled with the AAU system of giving them everything, and they don't adjust well to having a coach that is hard on them. If coach let's up on them, that doesn't make the kid a better person. And that is what Coach is trying to do, make each player that plays for him a better individual. You can try to adjust the offense and defense a little if need be, but there is no need to drastically overhaul something that has been successful. Just quit trying to make statements when you have no real idea what is going on with the program, or the coaching world in general.

clevelandfalcon · Post by **clevelandfalcon** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:49 pm

HoustonFalcon wrote:Looks like the only mind game that was played was the one with an elbow. Some of you guys and girls really need to get a grip on how you run a program. There is no way that you can start adjusting your coaching Style to fit your players. That would mean that you have to tone it down a little bit with some players, and after that, you lose them. Trust me, I know. A lot of these kids have become spoiled with the AAU system of giving them everything, and they don't adjust well to having a coach that is hard on them. If coach let's up on them, that doesn't make the kid a better person. And that is what Coach is trying to do, make each player that plays for him a better individual. You can try to adjust the offense and defense a little if need be, but there is no need to drastically overhaul something that has been successful. Just quit trying to make statements when you have no real idea what is going on with the program, or the coaching world in general.

The elbow to the head happened late in the second half, right??....where was Samarco before that?? I've seen enough of Dakich. They need a new voice for the program. Suggestions for a replacement?......I have a few, being that I'm from NE Ohio...

Stan Heath: Former BG assistant coach, former Kent head coach. Might get the boot from Arkansas if they do not make the NCAA tournament this year.

Gary Waters: Former Kent head coach, current Rutgers HC. Also might get the boot after this season. Great recruiter. Was the main reason for Kent's success the past 9 years. Turned Kent into a MAC powerhouse.

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:04 pm

Alright, the temporal sequence of events seem to be a little out of whack reading over these posts. Samarco did not start the second half, he started the half on the bench for what appears to be the defensive reason. The elbow to the head occurred with just under 10 minutes left in the game. Martin being bench for the defensive reason and later for injury concerns seem both likely and probable. Anyways, I don't have a problem with Dan benching the team's leading scorer for not playing defense up to the level the coach expects. That's just part of coaching. And also agree with Dan's decision to keep Martin out of the game after the injury as well.

clevelandfalcon · Post by **clevelandfalcon** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:13 pm

UK Peregrine wrote:Alright, the temporal sequence of events seem to be a little out of whack reading over these posts. Samarco did not start the second half, he started the half on the bench for what appears to be the defensive reason. The elbow to the head occurred with just under 10 minutes left in the game. Martin being bench for the defensive reason and later for injury concerns seem both likely and probable. Anyways, I don't have a problem with Dan benching the team's leading scorer for not playing defense up to the level the coach expects. That's just part of coaching. And also agree with Dan's decision to keep Martin out of the game after the injury as well.

When Samarco got elbowed, there was no reason to put him back in the game. Plus, he might not have been able to, medically speaking. I just don't know what he must have done defensively to merit a benching like that, especially during the main part of the game (while the outcome was still in question).

UK Peregrine · Post by **UK Peregrine** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:27 pm

clevelandfalcon wrote:I just don't know what he must have done defensively to merit a benching like that, especially during the main part of the game (while the outcome was still in question).

He sat for 3 minutes and 47 seconds to start the half and then did not leave the game again until his injury. I guess I just don't see the big deal with a coach benching a player for under four minutes to start the second half for not playing the defense he expects to see from his players.

clevelandfalcon · Post by **clevelandfalcon** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:39 pm

UK Peregrine wrote:
clevelandfalcon wrote:I just don't know what he must have done defensively to merit a benching like that, especially during the main part of the game (while the outcome was still in question).
He sat for 3 minutes and 47 seconds to start the half and then did not leave the game again until his injury. I guess I just don't see the big deal with a coach benching a player for under four minutes to start the second half for not playing the defense he expects to see from his players.

Is it right? I noticed he only played 18 minutes and I thought he left with about 9 minutes to go in the game

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:17 pm

clevelandfalcon wrote:Suggestions for a replacement?

Stan Heath: Former BG assistant coach, former Kent head coach. Might get the boot from Arkansas if they do not make the NCAA tournament this year.

Gary Waters: Former Kent head coach, current Rutgers HC. Also might get the boot after this season.

Excuse me?

You want us to get rid of one coach and hire one of two others who might be fired from their current positions:?:

Note for Paul Krebs: If you're reading this thread, PLEASE STOP NOW!!!!!

clevelandfalcon · Post by **clevelandfalcon** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:20 pm

transfer2BGSU wrote:
clevelandfalcon wrote:Suggestions for a replacement?

Stan Heath: Former BG assistant coach, former Kent head coach. Might get the boot from Arkansas if they do not make the NCAA tournament this year.

Gary Waters: Former Kent head coach, current Rutgers HC. Also might get the boot after this season.
Excuse me?

You want us to get rid of one coach and hire one of two others who might be fired from their current positions:?:

Note for Paul Krebs: If you're reading this thread, PLEASE STOP NOW!!!!!

Yeah, because coaches that get fired from other programs NEVER get rehired, do they? Get a clue. Both of those guys would be head and shoulders better than Dakich. Face it, his time is up. If you don't have the ability to understand that, then that's your own problem.

BGorDeath · Post by **BGorDeath** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 3:25 pm

Boy, I sure do miss OhioBobcat after reading these posts.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:08 pm

BGorDeath wrote:Boy, I sure do miss OhioBobcat after reading these posts.

Yeah, when he was here we all rallied together in defense of our teams, players, and our university. Without him, we inevitably debate each other. Not that that's bad or anything, seeing as this is a college sports forum, but its interesting how that works.

On this particular issue, if Samarco was injured, fine. If he was in foul trouble, fine. But if not, get him in the damn game! Shame on Dakich for following this lame-ass "if you don't do things my way you sit" course of action. No wonder so many players leave BG with that crap going on. The bottom line is, you don't take your best player out with the outcome of the game still in doubt. It's stuff like this that really peeves me, and quite frankly, I want Dakich gone. Stick a fork in DD, the game has passed him by.

transfer2BGSU · Post by **transfer2BGSU** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:21 pm

clevelandfalcon wrote:Yeah, because coaches that get fired from other programs NEVER get rehired, do they? Get a clue. Both of those guys would be head and shoulders better than Dakich.

I don't want someone elses reject. If they're not good enough to stay with their own team, then don't hire them for BGSU.

If we're going to release Dakich, then I expect better. Hire a proven coach from another college or a talented assistant.

Goose · Post by **Goose** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:32 pm

bgsufalcon24 wrote:On this particular issue, if Samarco was injured, fine. If he was in foul trouble, fine. But if not, get him in the damn game! Shame on Dakich for following this lame-ass "if you don't do things my way you sit" course of action. No wonder so many players leave BG with that crap going on. The bottom line is, you don't take your best player out with the outcome of the game still in doubt. It's stuff like this that really peeves me, and quite frankly, I want Dakich gone. Stick a fork in DD, the game has passed him by.

Are you saying that a player is entitled to playing time, even if they are not playing well? You are making it sound as if Samarco was lighting it up and then got benched because he didn't set a pick or didn't box out on one play.

My observation was he did not play well in the first half and he got benched the first few minutes of the second half. If I am not mistaken he was back in the game before the first media time out. When he came back in he got hurt so he was out the rest of the game. Maybe the game has passed my "lame ass by", but I don't really see what the big deal is to sit a guy down for a few minutes when he is playing poorly?

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 4:41 pm

BGorDeath wrote:Boy, I sure do miss OhioBobcat after reading these posts.