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cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:31 pm

Don't sit here and tell me that Ron Lewis is happy with his decision. Bottom line is that he would have had the chance to be a NBA player if he would have stayed at BG. When you stand out at a MAC school like Bonzi Wells, Gary Trent, Wally S., Daniels, Keith M. etc you get looked at a lot more --doesn't matter about his team's record...he was a freak at getting to the basket/foul line and could create at anytime as a freshman. His style is/was made for the NBA --he won't get the chance because he chose OSU. Ron Lewis did not go to OSU to be on a number 1 team. He went to have a better chance at the NBA and he made the wrong choice as it turns out.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:56 am

cowboyjoe wrote:Don't sit here and tell me that Ron Lewis is happy with his decision. Bottom line is that he would have had the chance to be a NBA player if he would have stayed at BG. When you stand out at a MAC school like Bonzi Wells, Gary Trent, Wally S., Daniels, Keith M. etc you get looked at a lot more --doesn't matter about his team's record...he was a freak at getting to the basket/foul line and could create at anytime as a freshman. His style is/was made for the NBA --he won't get the chance because he chose OSU. Ron Lewis did not go to OSU to be on a number 1 team. He went to have a better chance at the NBA and he made the wrong choice as it turns out.

Thanks, 87.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:35 am

cowboyjoe wrote:Don't sit here and tell me that Ron Lewis is happy with his decision. Bottom line is that he would have had the chance to be a NBA player if he would have stayed at BG. When you stand out at a MAC school like Bonzi Wells, Gary Trent, Wally S., Daniels, Keith M. etc you get looked at a lot more --doesn't matter about his team's record...he was a freak at getting to the basket/foul line and could create at anytime as a freshman. His style is/was made for the NBA --he won't get the chance because he chose OSU. Ron Lewis did not go to OSU to be on a number 1 team. He went to have a better chance at the NBA and he made the wrong choice as it turns out.

So you're telling me that Ron Lewis could dominate the MAC for another 2 years; I agree with that.

But you lost me beyond that. You honestly believe that a kid that is only good enough to be the 6th man on a good Big10 team would've been a legit NBA player? You lost me, man. If the kid was NBA quality he would be playing more and playing better for OSU.

The thing you're missing is that all of the above players you mentioned would have also likely been dominant players at the Big 10 level as well. You think he was an NBA guy because he could drive & get to the bucket at will. Well, the other BG boys on your list could do that as well. They also had a jump shot that Lewis only dreams of and both played defense better than Lewis has ever shown the ability to do.

Ron Lewis would've been a prolific scorer and was great at getting to the bucket against MAC competition. He would've had huge scoring numbers at the end of his career. But he was not a complete enough player to ever be an NBA prospect.

If I'm Ron Lewis I'm thrilled with my decision to get off this sinking ship and find myself aboard a luxury liner.

cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:37 am

Funny...don't tell me he went to Ohio St. to be an above average role player coming off of the bench. He went to get a better shot at the NBA. What planet is Lewis on? Ohio State had 2 players (Jim Jackson and Michael Redd) go to the NBA in the last 12 years when he made his decision. BG had 2 guards go in the same amount of time. I doubt if anyone thought Keith and Antonio were NBA caliber players when they were freshman either.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:48 am

cowboyjoe wrote:Funny...don't tell me he went to Ohio St. to be an above average role player coming off of the bench. He went to get a better shot at the NBA. What planet is Lewis on? Ohio State had 2 players (Jim Jackson and Michael Redd) go to the NBA in the last 12 years when he made his decision. BG had 2 guards go in the same amount of time. I doubt if anyone thought Keith and Antonio were NBA caliber players when they were freshman either.

You're out to lunch. IMO, 95+% of the basketball players on the planet would be extremely happy with their decision if they were in Ron's shoes right now. I know I would be.

Past that, to the NBA logic -- If you're a good player, the NBA will find you. In Ron Lewis' case, it doesn't matter where or how much he plays. He just isn't an NBA caliber player, and he was never going to be. He could be scoring 20+ points a game here, and it wouldn't matter one bit. He's a bad shooter, and he doesn't play a lick of defense. We're not even discussing his attitude.

In any event, what makes you think he's be "dominating" the MAC when he's being beat out by a bunch of freshman at OSU? There are probably 5-10 guards in the MAC this year that I'd rather have than Ron. I think you remember a couple sweet dunks by Ron when he was here, and then you see a couple highlights a game of him on SportsCenter, and your mind extrapolates some crazy scenario where he'd be scoring 30 points a game and getting ready to take the NBA by storm here (ignoring the fact he wouldn't even be here this year for eligibility reasons).

You've chosen some really ignorant stances to fight to the death over in the past, but I think this one takes the cake.

cowboyjoe · Post by **cowboyjoe** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:54 am

He went to Ohio State to have a better shot at the NBA. It was the wrong choice....enough said. Do you actually think his numbers would be the same if he were at BG the last 2 years? You're crazy. Remember his sophomore year...his 877 career points was the second highest in Bowling Green history for a two-year performer (890, Anthony Stacey) ranked sixth in the MAC in scoring (17.0) and second in free throw percentage (82.0 percent) all that as a sophomore. He would have continued to get better and flourished under Dakich just like Daniels and Keith did.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:06 am

cowboyjoe wrote:He went to Ohio State to have a better shot at the NBA. It was the wrong choice....enough said.

While that is what was said publicly, can you even consider the fact that maybe he transfered because he didn't get along with Dakich at all? "Getting to the NBA" may have just been an excuse. Any kid that has skills and decent 'advisors' knows you can play anywhere and make it to the NBA. They have scouts, you know.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:09 am

cowboyjoe wrote:He went to Ohio State to have a better shot at the NBA. It was the wrong choice....enough said. Do you actually think his numbers would be the same if he were at BG the last 2 years? You're crazy. Remember his sophomore year...his 877 career points was the second highest in Bowling Green history for a two-year performer (890, Anthony Stacey) ranked sixth in the MAC in scoring (17.0) and second in free throw percentage (82.0 percent) all that as a sophomore. He would have continued to get better and flourished under Dakich just like Daniels and Keith did.

You conveniently forgot to mention that he shot under 40% from the field and didn't play a lick of defense.

And, considering attitude, he would've flourished under Dakich about as well as Steven Wright did. If you think Ron Lewis has the talent and makeup to compete at the NBA level, you're completely confused about that level of basketball. Ron Lewis wouldn't get drafted this year or last if there were 5 rounds, no matter where he played or what kind of numbers he put up.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:09 am

So you are of the belief that he would've grown more as a player in 2 years under Dakich than he has in 3 years under Thad Matta?

I do think he would've continued to put up better scoring numbers as the years went on, but given the lack of growth to his game in his years at OSU I find it hard to believe that growth would've occurred here under a lesser coach.

It's all speculation at this point, but if you honestly believe he would be better under Dakich's tutilege and in his system than he is under Thad Matta, I think you're delusional.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:24 am

cowboyjoe wrote:It was the wrong choice....enough said.

Wow. I guess that ends it. I'm surprised anyone is still commenting. He's gotten to play in the NCAA tourney, too. I can't imagine any player regretting his decision the way things have gone. It was probably a harder decision then...it looks obvious now.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:20 am

Whatever his intent was at the time, the bottom line is that he's right now playing on the #1 team in the country instead of taking orders at BK or robbing liquor stores with his 10-speed.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 7:56 pm

cowboyjoe wrote:Funny...don't tell me he went to Ohio St. to be an above average role player coming off of the bench. He went to get a better shot at the NBA. What planet is Lewis on? Ohio State had 2 players (Jim Jackson and Michael Redd) go to the NBA in the last 12 years when he made his decision. BG had 2 guards go in the same amount of time. I doubt if anyone thought Keith and Antonio were NBA caliber players when they were freshman either.

1) As a matter of fact, I was predicting a potential NBA future when I saw Keith as a freshman. I said the same things about Harper, Majerle, Trent, and Snoopy Graham. I was wrong about Szczerbiak, I didn't think he'd amount anything in the NBA.

2) In reality, Lewis didn't have a clear idea why he was transferring when he did so. He mentioned a lack of continuity, a desire to play point, a desire to be closer to home, and the NBA. The continuity and proximity to home were legit. However, Lewis doesn't have a PG bone in his body, and he certainly wasn't going to get more of a shot at OSU than BG. Lewis didn't then nor does he now look like an NBA prospect. He's an excellent 6-4 athlete, but with his lack of PG ability he needs to have prolific perimeter and mid-range scoring skills. He just does not have those skills. He depends on his ability to drive and score inside for a lot of his points. He draws fouls many in college, but those situations will result in blocks and stuffs in the NBA. Lewis needs to grow another 4 inches to be an NBA prospect. He'll do very well in Europe.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:01 pm

Lewis currently plays a significant role on one of the best teams in the nation. He regularly plays in front of huge crowds and has gotten on Sports Center quite a bit. He has a shot at a national championship this year. Meanwhile BG flounders. If you think that was the wrong choice, you're nuts.

Lewis wasn't going to become a better player at one school or the other. He would've had beefier stats at BG, but his NBA resume, imo, wouldn't have been better or worse.

murph · Post by **murph** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:00 am

BleedOrange

I was wrong about Szczerbiak, I didn't think he'd amount anything in the NBA

Nah, I think you may've been right

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:23 am

Ummmmmm...wow...interesting ideas here.

I think Ron Whois made the right decision and I'm happy for him. He's in the perfect situation for his skill set.

He's playing for a winner in one of the major conferences in colege basketball. Here in the MAC, we have trouble deciding when the game is over.. .