Kent State in need of a new coach

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Re: Kent State in need of a new coach

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transfer2BGSU wrote:
Rollo83 wrote:I don't get it from both sides...

Is Bradley really a step up from Kent State? Missouri Valley Conference? Do they really pay their coaches that much more then the MAC?

Geno Ford? Really? I wouldn't even have him in my top 3 or 4 of MAC coaches.
Kent State paid him $300,000

Bradley will pay him $800,000

If you didn't have Geno in your top 3 coaches in the MAC, there is a reason you are not an Athletic Director

Just my opinion but I'd take these MAC coaches over Geno right now...

1. Charlie Coles (I realize nobodys looking to hire him at this point)
2. Reggie Witherspoon (like him or not he gets more out of the talent he has than anybody in the MAC)
3. Keith Dambrot (he's built Zips into MAC power)
4. Steve Hawkins (no team plays harder than the Broncos)

I see Geno more in the roll of caretaker of the Kent State program. He coached three years at already established program and didn't screw it up. Not that hard to do...see Stan Heath and Jim Christian! That program has won 20 games 11 of the last 12 years (Geno's first year being the exception at 19-15).

To me, I value a coach more who has built the program from ashes like Reggie, Steve and Keith. Geno needs to work his magic at Bradley before I am ready to annoint him the next John Wooden.
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A couple of points. Basketball has, unfortunately, become a March-only sport. Few people nowadays pay attention to college basketball at all until the tournaments. It's only those of us dedicated enough to post on a message board like this one who watch it from start to finish.

I had an encounter with a well-meaning clerk at a Perrysburg book store last summer. As I was buying Sports Illustrated (with Joey Votto on the cover) the middle-aged woman who clearly did not follow sports asked if I was an Ohio State or Michigan football fan. When I told her neither, that I was a BG grad and cheered for the Falcons, she was dumbfounded. To paraphrase, she honestly believed BG was at a lower level that OSU and UM*. She was even more confused after I tried explaining the differences in the MAC and Big Ten, and AQ and non AQ BCS. But that is the type of person who could wander into a Big 10 football stadium at some point and the MAC has no shot at attracting.

What does it all mean for where the MAC and BG should spend its money? I have no idea.


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NO WAY to dropping football at any level at BG! PERIOD! EVER! Not to a lower level, or as a program all together! The thing is at BG, we simply can't win the MAC Tournament to ever experience an NCAA Tournament to even enjoy our teams (football and basketball) equally such as some other MAC schools have in recent years. The day we can join the club is the day we can have our own fun. Look in the last five years or so right in the MAC East even, both Ohio and Miami-Ohio have played in bowl games, played in the MAC football championship (Miami has won one), both have won the MAC Basketball Tournament and both have played in the NCAA Tournament (Ohio has won there). Akron has also won a MAC football championship, played in a bowl game, won a MAC basketball tournament and played in the NCAA Tournament. Kent State hasn't been bowling, but has won MAC basketball championships and has been to the Big Dance. Buffalo hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament, but has won the MAC football championship and has been to a bowl game. BG has just been to bowl games. We haven't won a MAC football championship in the new format (last did in 1992) and have never won a MAC basketball tournament, ever, thus haven't played in the NCAA Tournament since 1968.

So no, I'm not buying the idea of wanting or needing to drop anything to enjoy the other. If other schools right along side of us can do it, then so should we.

As for the day we do hire a new basketball coach (I am not suggest we do now, just saying when we do next), I suggest instead of hiring and paying a consulting agency to help us, that we simply take that money and contact a school such as Ohio or Kent State and ask them if they were us, who would they hire to be their coach. Because clearly, the last several people they’ve had at both schools (Ohio with Larry Hunter, Tim O’Shea and Jim Groce and Kent State with Gary Waters, Stan Heath and Jim Christian) has won them MAC Tournament championships leading them to the NCAA Tournament. Yes, that was meant to be a sarcastic comment.
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Found this quote on the Akron Beacon Journal site for comments about Ford taking the Bradley job...

"Something more is going to come out about this. Both academically and athletically, Bradley is a lateral move at best. First, the Kent State team finds out about their coach leaving from Twitter and the Bradley website. Then, there is no mention, not even a congratulations as one would expect, on the Kent State website. Finally the rumor among students at Kent is that Ford was forced out due to ongoing player behavior problems off the court".

From a guy that goes by "KSU Dad"...don't know how valid but it is interesting.
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I didn't say I'd be in favor of dropping football. And I'm certainly not. I still think dropping hockey would be a great move for the athletic department as a whole, but I know how that goes over on this board, so I'm not going to advocate that either.

My initial thought was not about BG, specifically, dropping football either. My thought is along the lines of the MAC dropping football altogether in favor of a basketball-centric approach.

I'm afraid that at some point something has to give. Athletic budgets have soared while the MAC tries to compete in D1 hoops and D1A football with miniscule fan followings compared to even other mid-majors. At some point it's going to be VERY difficult to justify keeping all these programs alive. Especially considering the MAC is one of the worst conferences in both sports. We FINALLY won a bowl game this year breaking a pretty long string of losses. Last year's OU NCAA tourney win was the first in awhile as well.

Maybe I'm jaded because I was in school at a time where not only was BG very good in both major sports, the conference as a whole was very good in both major sports. In the past 7-8 years I've watched this conference go to total crap in both of them, and I just don't think the schools can put up the budgets expected to compete in both sports. I really do think that at some point the conference is going to have to make some tough decisions.
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Falconfreak90 wrote:Found this quote on the Akron Beacon Journal site for comments about Ford taking the Bradley job...

"Something more is going to come out about this. Both academically and athletically, Bradley is a lateral move at best. First, the Kent State team finds out about their coach leaving from Twitter and the Bradley website. Then, there is no mention, not even a congratulations as one would expect, on the Kent State website. Finally the rumor among students at Kent is that Ford was forced out due to ongoing player behavior problems off the court".

From a guy that goes by "KSU Dad"...don't know how valid but it is interesting.
A team shouldn't find out about that from Twitter or the new school's site, true. But expecting a public display of "congratulations" for a guy that just bailed on your school? That's expecting a bit much.

And Bradley is a lateral move academically from Kent State? Why take such a low blow at Bradley? :-D
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Falconfreak90 wrote:From a guy that goes by "KSU Dad"...don't know how valid but it is interesting.
Anonymous posts by a username with a school-sounding name which berate the program mean nothing. See birdman. Without a name and some legitimacy, this info is completely unreliable.

This is an unfortunate truth about the Internet. Anybody can publish anything, and anybody can believe it.
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To wit, read the second paragraph here

http://www.kentstatesports.com/sports/m ... 0328e65hx5
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hammb wrote: My initial thought was not about BG, specifically, dropping football either. My thought is along the lines of the MAC dropping football altogether in favor of a basketball-centric approach.
You do realize that hockey is primarily being funded by an endowment now, don't you? As that fund continues to grow the hockey program will be less dependent on other funds much as basketball will be when their endowment goes into effect.
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hammb wrote:I didn't say I'd be in favor of dropping football. And I'm certainly not. I still think dropping hockey would be a great move for the athletic department as a whole, but I know how that goes over on this board, so I'm not going to advocate that either.

My initial thought was not about BG, specifically, dropping football either. My thought is along the lines of the MAC dropping football altogether in favor of a basketball-centric approach.

I'm afraid that at some point something has to give. Athletic budgets have soared while the MAC tries to compete in D1 hoops and D1A football with miniscule fan followings compared to even other mid-majors. At some point it's going to be VERY difficult to justify keeping all these programs alive. Especially considering the MAC is one of the worst conferences in both sports. We FINALLY won a bowl game this year breaking a pretty long string of losses. Last year's OU NCAA tourney win was the first in awhile as well.

Maybe I'm jaded because I was in school at a time where not only was BG very good in both major sports, the conference as a whole was very good in both major sports. In the past 7-8 years I've watched this conference go to total crap in both of them, and I just don't think the schools can put up the budgets expected to compete in both sports. I really do think that at some point the conference is going to have to make some tough decisions.
I hear you on a few of these points. I too think having hockey is a huge struggle for us as we're one of only a few non-BCS schools to have D-I hockey and football. But like you said, that's another can of worms. Likely you, I too was part of some good years of BG hoops and football - and even hockey, baseball and men's soccer for that matter - when I was in school. It was great! But these are certainly tough times for our men's programs, no doubt about it. But I do disagree with the idea of the MAC dropping down in football. And this response isn't directed directly at you, I am responding to the idea you presented, not a personal jab. But my response to that is - for what??? To maybe finally get an at-large bid every now and again? Because that’s all we are (the MAC) possibly are going to get if it hypothetically were to ever happen. And that in no way IMO offsets what we have in football where we’re sending 3-5 teams to bowl games and have fielded teams in the Top-25 more than we have in hoops in recent years. The MAC has made more progress in football than it has in basketball in the last decade by far.

Also along these lines is, BG is one of 120 schools at the FBS football level. And every year, there are schools trying to attain the exact status we are currently sit in. Next year Texas State and UT-San Antonio (starting a program this year at the FCS level) will be coming up to join the WAC. South Alabama is also putting together a team and will be joining the FBS ranks in a couple years and will compete in the Sun Belt. We’re at the top now, with the exception of not being a BCS school. I want to stay there! Off the top of my head, the last FBS (or then I-A) school to drop football or go down a level was Pacific in 1995 when they did away with football. Several FCS (formerly I-AA) schools have as well in recent years, but Pacific is the last one I can think of at the FBS level to do so. In the 16 years since dropping football, they have made four NCAA Tournament appearances, winning a first round game twice, but have never gotten past the second round in the NCAA Tournament. Did dropping football push their basketball program to new heights? No. And let’s be honest, aside from remembering Michael Olowokandi, does anyone outside of the Big West even really know about them?

I’m sorry, but no way. I’m proud of BG and proud to be in the MAC. I might be in the minority here, but I love it. I love being D-I, I love being in elite (FBS) company, and it actually makes me both mad and sad to hear our own fans discuss this kind of talk. When we were hosting College Gameday and in the Top-25 not long ago, this kind of discussion was the furthest from our minds then. We can do it here at BG again. We have and will again. And I guarantee it, if we start winning in football and basketball again, these type of threads won’t be all over our boards like they are nowadays. Others schools in the MAC East are doing it, we’re just not one of them – right now. BG is my favorite D-I football and basketball school, period, But if we were to ever drop a football or basketball program down level, then I will be picking a new school to follow. I’ve poured way too much time, money and effort into my school and expect nothing but the same in return from it. GO BG!!!
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Excellent post, 33!
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Falcon137 wrote:Excellent post, 33!
Sure was...sums up my thoughts pretty well. :supz:
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If Bradley is spending 5x more then us on a Basketball coach we are in trouble.
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Globetrotter wrote:If Bradley is spending 5x more then us on a Basketball coach we are in trouble.
Bradley is in a bigger city, has a bigger arena, and plays in a better conference, how does this prove we are in trouble?

We are in trouble because of how much more Kent and other MAC schools are paying their coaches compared to us, not some school in a higher up conference then ours
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BGFalconfromCincy wrote:
Globetrotter wrote:If Bradley is spending 5x more then us on a Basketball coach we are in trouble.
Bradley is in a bigger city, has a bigger arena, and plays in a better conference, how does this prove we are in trouble?

We are in trouble because of how much more Kent and other MAC schools are paying their coaches compared to us, not some school in a higher up conference then ours
Well how long have they been in "a higher up conference then ours".
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