Let's consolidate our rants...

[BleedOrange]

We just lost at home in the post season to a team that lost 20 games.

Returning are a few talented players: Calhoun, Sealey, Black, Clarke. These four are either very inexperienced or very inconsistent. For Jordan Crawford, it's very late in his career to still be making as many bad decisions as he does and expect to win with him at the point. These are the other guys returning:

Henderson
Erger
Kraus
Rorie
Orr
...not impressive.

Frankly, I see no reason to look forward to next year. Based on what we've seen over the past few years, there's no reason to expect this program to improve or to ever compete for a MAC championship under Orr.

We just built a nice new facility. However, it won't be new for much longer. We need to restore excitement and hope for this program NOW. If we have the cash to buy out Orr, we MUST make a move as soon as possible.

[guest44]

If you break down Orr's record at Seton Hall it's not that great. He took over for a coach in Amaker who took a better job, clearly a good entry point. Was fired several years later. As far as coach of the year awards, they are commonly in two forms. 1) Coach has great team that wins league. 2) Coach improves from previous horrible season. We all know which type his were.

[Globetrotter]

Not enough time because once AGAIN Crawford dribbles away almost all of the shot clock and tries to make himself the hero. He has thrown away game after game that way. He should set on the floor and hide his head!!

Wrong. If ANYONE else on the offense would perhaps MOVE or WORK TO GET OPEN, then he might actually have someone to pass to, and wouldn't be FORCED to have to dribble around and jack up a bad shot. You think he actually wants to do that?? Give me a break. He's the one guy on the team that will actually sack up and take the big shot. No one else does it, period. We would have had a worse record than CMU this year if not for Crawford.

I couldn't disagree more. Crawford is every bit the selfish player that Dee Brown is. He wants to take the last shot, yep, but just like Kobe he wants it to the detriment of the team actually WINNING the game.

He is a shoot first PG that has a weak jumpshot and is too small to finish inside. He doesn't see the floor, he doesn't look to create for his teammates, and he's a BAD PG. Much like every other guard Orr has brought here he makes his teammates worse, NOT better.

Crawford & Brown were both bloody terrible tonight and were definitely the biggest reasons we lost this game. That and the fact that the team (extension of the coach?) seems to be afraid to hurt an opponent's feelings. They get up by 8-9 and then stop even trying. They've been that way for years...

Scott Thomas goes 0-5 from 3 point land and your best player scores 7 and you blame the guards. Calhoun scores 6 points and its the guards fault. I don't love our guards but it was not their fault tonight. I cant imagine what this game would have been like without the guards. I wish Dee Brown killed us every night with 20 points.

The biggest reasons we lost the game were laziness and coaching. We settled for 3's instead of attacking the basket. (Which I guess was Dee Browns fault but he made some. They were also crappy on D at the top of the key as well so I will give you that.)

Offensively as a point guard there are 2 things that have to happen to get assists.
1. Someone has to get open.
2. Someone has to make a shot.
Neither happens in this offense. Crawford dribbles too much because he has to. Nobody moves on offense so he has to dribble around to avoid 5 second counts. Is he the smartest PG in the world, no way, but to lay the blame on him constantly is completely off base. He is the only guy who can get his own shot and when the offense does not work he has to constantly do that.

[BGDrew]

Orr was Christopher's first big hire. It'll be interesting to see what moves are made if any.

[Globetrotter]

We just lost at home in the post season to a team that lost 20 games.

Returning are a few talented players: Calhoun, Sealey, Black, Clarke. These four are either very inexperienced or very inconsistent. For Jordan Crawford, it's very late in his career to still be making as many bad decisions as he does and expect to win with him at the point. These are the other guys returning:

Henderson
Erger
Kraus
Rorie
Orr
...not impressive.

Frankly, I see no reason to look forward to next year. Based on what we've seen over the past few years, there's no reason to expect this program to improve or to ever compete for a MAC championship under Orr.

We just built a nice new facility. However, it won't be new for much longer. We need to restore excitement and hope for this program NOW. If we have the cash to buy out Orr, we MUST make a move as soon as possible.

Im not sure any of those last 5 are legit Division 1 players. Kraus, Orr and Henderson can play a little but seem to have low ceilings. Rorie and Erger are tall.

[BGSU33]

Orr was Christopher's first big hire. It'll be interesting to see what moves are made if any.

Very interesting, indeed. GC talks all the time about mapping out the progress and looking at the path and direction of a program. The assessment of this program is simple - it wasn't going anywhere, it isn't going anywhere, and won't be going anywhere under the current structure.

[bgsufalcon24]

The vibe I got from watching this game, especially early on was this. BG came out and decided that they wanted to just coast through this game, and expend as little energy as possible to win. They didn't come out motivated, they didn't come out fired up, and when they went up 9-0, their play became even more passive. I think they only took 2 free throws all first half.

I bet you that was the strategy. Hey guys, we have to win 5 games in 6 days, so let's go really easy on the first one because we need to save that energy and focus for later in the week.

What they should have done, is work themselves up into a frenzy, punch CMU in the mouth in the first 15 minutes, be aggressive, get a big lead, and THEN maybe get to sit on it in the 2nd half. You can't win 5 in a row if you don't go 1 for 1!

[Falconfreak90]

Orr was Christopher's first big hire. It'll be interesting to see what moves are made if any.

Very interesting, indeed. GC talks all the time about mapping out the progress and looking at the path and direction of a program. The assessment of this program is simple - it wasn't going anywhere, it isn't going anywhere, and won't be going anywhere under the current structure.

Agreed. Coach Richards was let go after it was determined the program needed to go in a different direction. I supported Coach Orr from Day 1 but this loss to CMU really ticked me off. No fire, no energy and no sense of urgency. I'm afraid we'll never be more than a .500 program under his leadership. And I'm tired of the early exits in the MAC Tourney.

[JWEIII]

We just lost at home in the post season to a team that lost 20 games.

Enough said. I was pro Orr until last night. There is just no excuse for that. None. He had more talent. He was at home. He wasn't prepared. He looked like a fool.

I would ask for his resignation today.

[Flipper]

Well...Gregg Brandon got axed after blowing a shot at the postseason by blowing a lead at home to an inferior team. Granted, Orr's team doesn't have the disciplinary baggage GB's did and Orr didn't go off on the home fans...but still...

[guest44]

Not only was the last timeout with 39 seconds and his own shooter at the line a mistake, but he didn't ask the refs to look at the monitor to see if more time should be added. Had he asked the refs to review the clock, which could have been enough time to count the basket, he could have brought the entire team over to set up a play. Basically, Orr is awful at making quick decisions in crunch time. It's a quality you either have or you don't. However, in basketball it is one you have to have, or you have to surround yourself with assistants who excel in that.

Also, would someone from the media please ask Orr a direct question or two. I mean someone ask him why he wasted his timeout. Ask him why his team can't close games. Ask him why they have been so inconsistent in 5 years. People buried Dakich for his passion and took every word he said and found negative in it. Orr says nothing and has gotten a free pass by dodging questions and talking religion. Enough is enough.

[orangeandbrown]

Well, just my point of view....

There's no reason to think we're better next year.
It isn't fair, based on what we have seen, to say that Orr and Henderson are not D1 players.
I don't agree Crawford is a bad PG or a selfish player. He has limitations, partly due to his size.
Having said that, last night's game is on the front court. CMU took away the paint and we had no answer.
I have been pro-Orr too, but we should have been better this year. I am not optimistic that we end up getting better
I don't expect a move to be made, however.

[hammb]

Not enough time because once AGAIN Crawford dribbles away almost all of the shot clock and tries to make himself the hero. He has thrown away game after game that way. He should set on the floor and hide his head!!

Wrong. If ANYONE else on the offense would perhaps MOVE or WORK TO GET OPEN, then he might actually have someone to pass to, and wouldn't be FORCED to have to dribble around and jack up a bad shot. You think he actually wants to do that?? Give me a break. He's the one guy on the team that will actually sack up and take the big shot. No one else does it, period. We would have had a worse record than CMU this year if not for Crawford.

I couldn't disagree more. Crawford is every bit the selfish player that Dee Brown is. He wants to take the last shot, yep, but just like Kobe he wants it to the detriment of the team actually WINNING the game.

He is a shoot first PG that has a weak jumpshot and is too small to finish inside. He doesn't see the floor, he doesn't look to create for his teammates, and he's a BAD PG. Much like every other guard Orr has brought here he makes his teammates worse, NOT better.

Crawford & Brown were both bloody terrible tonight and were definitely the biggest reasons we lost this game. That and the fact that the team (extension of the coach?) seems to be afraid to hurt an opponent's feelings. They get up by 8-9 and then stop even trying. They've been that way for years...

Scott Thomas goes 0-5 from 3 point land and your best player scores 7 and you blame the guards. Calhoun scores 6 points and its the guards fault. I don't love our guards but it was not their fault tonight. I cant imagine what this game would have been like without the guards. I wish Dee Brown killed us every night with 20 points.

The biggest reasons we lost the game were laziness and coaching. We settled for 3's instead of attacking the basket. (Which I guess was Dee Browns fault but he made some. They were also crappy on D at the top of the key as well so I will give you that.)

Offensively as a point guard there are 2 things that have to happen to get assists.
1. Someone has to get open.
2. Someone has to make a shot.
Neither happens in this offense. Crawford dribbles too much because he has to. Nobody moves on offense so he has to dribble around to avoid 5 second counts. Is he the smartest PG in the world, no way, but to lay the blame on him constantly is completely off base. He is the only guy who can get his own shot and when the offense does not work he has to constantly do that.

No doubt Thomas was just as awful as Brown & Crawford will, but you're damn right I blame the guards.

Yes, they scored points, but they also combined to shoot 29 times (more than the rest of the team combined), and turned it over 5 times (with 5 assists). To only score 33 points on that many shots, without really facilitating others' offense is just a terrible performance by the backcourt.

Throw in the fact that Thomas couldn't hit the ocean from a pier last night and it was a terrible performance all around.

The frontcourt guys didn't make plays when they were called upon, but I know from watching the game it was painfully obvious that Calhoun was the target of CMU's defense. They had him surrounded at all times and the second he ever caught the ball they swarmed him. He's a good enough player to dominate the block against a single man, but he's not good enough to consistently beat double and triple teams. When a defense is playing your best inside presence like that you NEED your perimeter players to step up and make shots.

They didn't. Dee Brown DID kill us, not because he scored 20, but because he ONLY scored 20. You need to be scoring more than 1.05 points per shot if you're going to be taking that many shots.

Meanwhile McBroom & Jackson completely DESTROYED our backcourt on defense. This with their best scorer having an off night of his own.

There were way too many times this year where defenses sold out to stop Calhoun in the paint and the result was Crawford & Brown scoring a lot of points but doing so terribly inefficiently.

There wasn't one player on the team I'd say played well last night, but it was frustrating as hell to see both Brown & Crawford be somewhat successful the few times they attacked the defense, yet still they settled for outside jumpers most of the night. The same goes for Scott Thomas. I suppose we can lay the blame on the loss at Calhoun for not being a great enough player to beat the defense that they played on us, but I'm more inclined to lay blame at the feet of the guys who were given a chance to perform and still didn't.

When you get down to it there is plenty of blame to go around to everyone because this team had no business staying within single digits of BG, let alone leaving the Stroh Center with a win. And that's at the feet of our coaching staff, who should be packing their things very shortly, IMO.

[DustinXtreme]

Orr needs to be fired! Dakich was a damn good coach,Orr shows no energy at all!

[transfer2BGSU]

Orr needs to be fired! Dakich was a damn good coach,Orr shows no energy at all!

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