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MarkL wrote:I studied computer science. Program is pretty highly regarded. Education is top ten nationwide. Business gets loads of undergrad accolades and the MBA program is highly regarded. Psychology is highly regarded, especially the masters program. Sports Management, a very attractive program for athletes, is among the top in the country. Doesn't sound like much of a fallback plan to me ...
Business isn't even top 5 in the state.

Education isn't top ten nationwide. A brief glance says theya re #119 behind OSU-OU and Cincy atleast.
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MarkL wrote:I seem to remember a certain record setting receiver a few years ago citing BG's sport management program as one of the reasons he came here. Many athletes are interested in that program. I'd call that academic program a good one in terms of recruiting ...
Thats probably true. More and more shcools have that program now though, and I dont think its ranked very high.

I am not saying existence of a major won't help someone make a decision-it can and should-I am saying that relying on academics and location are a bad idea because we are not high in either.
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You can get a great education here. You can get a subpar education here. Same thing with any other school. It's up to the individual.

We're not open enrollment and beyond that, is there really that much of a gap perception-wise between us and a place like Dayton? I don't see it and I doubt 17 years olds are pouring over Princeton Review guidebooks that seek to differentiate a #87 vs. #118 ranked Marijuana Studies program.

We're not Harvard, but neither are any of the institutions mentioned in this thread.
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Globetrotter wrote: Education isn't top ten nationwide. A brief glance says theya re #119 behind OSU-OU and Cincy atleast.
I remember in my time there some education majors saying BG is a top 10 school for high school education among public universities. Don't know where they pulled it from. It's possible they were blowing smoke ... or read mscarn's above post on the topic ...
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mscarn wrote:You can get a great education here. You can get a subpar education here. Same thing with any other school. It's up to the individual.

We're not open enrollment and beyond that, is there really that much of a gap perception-wise between us and a place like Dayton? I don't see it and I doubt 17 years olds are pouring over Princeton Review guidebooks that seek to differentiate a #87 vs. #118 ranked Marijuana Studies program.

We're not Harvard, but neither are any of the institutions mentioned in this thread.
I agree with you to an extent, however its all about perception. Amongst high school kids we have a bad perception.

Whats the first thing that someone says when you say you went to Bg? I would bet it's a joke about STDs.
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MarkL wrote:
Globetrotter wrote: Education isn't top ten nationwide. A brief glance says theya re #119 behind OSU-OU and Cincy atleast.
I remember in my time there some education majors saying BG is a top 10 school for high school education among public universities. Don't know where they pulled it from. It's possible they were blowing smoke ... or read mscarn's above post on the topic ...

I really think globtrotter is blowing smoke. I can site several links to sites that put BG way ahead of the others he mentioned. Education is way above what he is posting. Easy to post with no sources to back it up. I can say in Ohio BG is far more respected than OSU and any other college in Ohio. I know because I live it every day. Asking globetrotter to comment on education may be like asking Rick Pitino to moderate a thread on football.
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gspointer wrote:
MarkL wrote:
Globetrotter wrote: Education isn't top ten nationwide. A brief glance says theya re #119 behind OSU-OU and Cincy atleast.
I remember in my time there some education majors saying BG is a top 10 school for high school education among public universities. Don't know where they pulled it from. It's possible they were blowing smoke ... or read mscarn's above post on the topic ...

I really think globtrotter is blowing smoke. I can site several links to sites that put BG way ahead of the others he mentioned. Education is way above what he is posting. Easy to post with no sources to back it up. I can say in Ohio BG is far more respected than OSU and any other college in Ohio. I know because I live it every day. Asking globetrotter to comment on education may be like asking Rick Pitino to moderate a thread on football.
Do it then.

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Globe, BG is not perceived poorly by high school students. You are typing an opinion and you have a background/experience working in education. You have spoken to 17 year olds who have told you that BG is not well perceived by them. That's OK and certainly true- as it is about any school short of a top 40 school. Do ANY of your students view BG as a good place to go to school? I deal with literally hundreds and hundreds of students who CHOOSE BG over others. I likewise work in the education field and, literally, in the field. Hundreds to thousands of students of all shapes and types. High schools of every kind all around Ohio and the country.

BG has a very fine reputation among students and families. We attract top scholar applicants, applicants from around the country, applicants to particular majors, applicants from alum families, applicants from first generation college families and so on. Many choose to attend. Our grads do well. As one poster says, much is on the student themselves after they arrive. But I can point to many many success stories for students of all kinds.

We are viewed as a "value" play and our grads (who work hard) are employed, in top grad schools etc. To downplay our Business program is ridiculous. Our placement rate is outstanding in several sequences and employers are recruiting live on campus in very large numbers. Generally, employers love our students

Tomorrow's BG Teacher Job Fair will be a huge event. One of the very biggest in the nation. Why? Because our grads are really really good. Our reputation is very good. The school districts' experience with BG grads is overwhelmingly positive.

In athletics, we can appeal to nearly all recruits and families. We will lose some recruiting battles in every sport for many reasons. Sometimes, a rival will tell their story better about their version of the academic program or have a certain highly specialized major. Perhaps the student simply enjoys the big city setting of another school. Or maybe her brother just had a wonderful experience at ABC College.

But our academic reputation does not hurt us w the general applicant pool. It helps us.

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falconfan1 wrote:Globe, BG is not perceived poorly by high school students. You are typing an opinion and you have a background/experience working in education. You have spoken to 17 year olds who have told you that BG is not well perceived by them. That's OK and certainly true- as it is about any school short of a top 40 school. Do ANY of your students view BG as a good place to go to school? I deal with literally hundreds and hundreds of students who CHOOSE BG over others. I likewise work in the education field and, literally, in the field. Hundreds to thousands of students of all shapes and types. High schools of every kind all around Ohio and the country.

BG has a very fine reputation among students and families. We attract top scholar applicants, applicants from around the country, applicants to particular majors, applicants from alum families, applicants from first generation college families and so on. Many choose to attend. Our grads do well. As one poster says, much is on the student themselves after they arrive. But I can point to many many success stories for students of all kinds.

We are viewed as a "value" play and our grads (who work hard) are employed, in top grad schools etc. To downplay our Business program is ridiculous. Our placement rate is outstanding in several sequences and employers are recruiting live on campus in very large numbers. Generally, employers love our students

Tomorrow's BG Teacher Job Fair will be a huge event. One of the very biggest in the nation. Why? Because our grads are really really good. Our reputation is very good. The school districts' experience with BG grads is overwhelmingly positive.

In athletics, we can appeal to nearly all recruits and families. We will lose some recruiting battles in every sport for many reasons. Sometimes, a rival will tell their story better about their version of the academic program or have a certain highly specialized major. Perhaps the student simply enjoys the big city setting of another school. Or maybe her brother just had a wonderful experience at ABC College.

But our academic reputation does not hurt us w the general applicant pool. It helps us.

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I work with thousands of students a year who wouldn't even consider going there. I've never met one that said....I wish I went to BG. I have met plenty that transferred or joked about even considering it. I am not saying this is how I want it to be, just how it is. I wish it had a great reputation. I wish it truly did recruit people from all over the country and world. Compare it's diversity and programs to Miami, OU and OSU and it's not close.

An athlete isn't choosing any program at BG over their sports coach, if they have other options. They want to be successful in their sport and they will go with a coach that they trust will get them there. Football and Basketball players especially define themselves by their sport. Its their passion and what they love and almost everyone of them has a hope to eventually get paid to do it. The existence of a program might be a factor but the overall reputation of the school and location matter much more to students and for an 18 year old those matter less then the coach.

Im not trying to bash bg. I love bg. It was really fun. But if I am completely honest I am advising my kids to go elsewhere.
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A thread about recruiting basketball players has turned into a debate about how high school students perceive BG as a school and its academics. I've now truly seen it all on this message board
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BGFalconfromCincy wrote:A thread about recruiting basketball players has turned into a debate about how high school students perceive BG as a school and its academics. I've now truly seen it all on this message board
Conversation not a debate. And it seems like a natural discussion about what will draw people to BG.
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Globetrotter wrote:
BGFalconfromCincy wrote:A thread about recruiting basketball players has turned into a debate about how high school students perceive BG as a school and its academics. I've now truly seen it all on this message board
Conversation not a debate. And it seems like a natural discussion about what will draw people to BG.
Oh I agree, its been a great discussion to read, and I also agree that I should have used conversation instead of debate. Just never thought I would ever see something like it on AZZ, especially in a sports related forum. Would have expected it in one of the non-sports related forums the message board offered. Not saying its a bad thing at all, it just happened somewhere on the board I never would have expected
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Globe, I can't win w you in this conversation or debate. If you have never met a student who said... "I wish I went to BG", let me introduce you to ten transfers who said that to me in the last six months- half from those great other state schools you name. But I won't post again on this matter. You win with those paragraphs.

Maybe just spend a day w me :)

We do not lose athletes- on a regular all the time basis- in our 18 sports due to academic deficiencies or reputation. Doesn't happen as a rule. An individual situation- sure. Generally- absolutely not. But I'm done on this one.

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falconfan1 wrote:Globe, I can't win w you in this conversation or debate. If you have never met a student who said... "I wish I went to BG", let me introduce you to ten transfers who said that to me in the last six months- half from those great other state schools you name. But I won't post again on this matter. You win with those paragraphs.

Maybe just spend a day w me :)

We do not lose athletes- on a regular all the time basis- in our 18 sports due to academic deficiencies or reputation. Doesn't happen as a rule. An individual situation- sure. Generally- absolutely not. But I'm done on this one.

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Do people who are homesick or who have a bad experience at one of the better academic schools transfer? Sure. But, lets take OSU. People have started to use BG like they use OSU Newark. They can't get into OSU so they they go to a school they can and then transfer in.

Spend a day at OU-Dayton-OSU and Miami and ask them if they seriously considered BG. Just walk around and ask them.

Can't speak to the athlete thing. I am not saying you can't get a solid education at BG. I am saying that it's not going to be a major draw for a college basketball or football player. It's why it's so important that we have a great coach.
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