Why the fkcu can't Orr pick up the phone and ask the web guys to take 15 minutes to update the content? I would think Henderson and the other players want their website data to be current. No senior wants wants "major undecided" on their profile. It makes the whole program look bad. Furthermore, freshmen photographs could have been taken at the summer practice. Maybe if somebody, ANYBODY, would bother taking the initiative to think ahead and make this happen.
Hell, I coached my daughter's softball team with more commitment than this. This type of slack-assed incompetence peeves me.
"Updated" 2013-2014 roster
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Re: "Updated" 2013-2014 roster
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Excellent points all around.
For a program that struggles to attract fans with its on the court product, you would think they'd be doing anything and everything to drum up interest and enthusiasm off the court, with the main conduit between the team and fans being the website. With thrice-monthy updates you'd be hard pressed to know a men's basketball program existed on the campus. I only assumed there would be headshots because of the players in uniform for the summer practices. Nope. Old information and players appearing out of thin air with virtually no information about them doesn't scream attention to detail. Since there's nothing going on, the head coach and/or those charged with promoting the program could:
-Provide daily updates/video of the summer workouts
-Interview the new freshman to introduce them to the fans
-Interview the assistant coaches
-Produce quick mini-clinic videos like Miami football is presently doing highlighting favorite drills (if only to prove to skeptics like myself that actual basketball skills are being taught). This would attract high school coaches who might just be coaching a future recruit
-Have live webchats where fans could ask players and coaches questions
-Create a BG Basketball Cribs video (like the football team has) showcasing the facilities
-Have the players produce video blogs (a la Roussos at the Military Bowl) about a day-in-the-life on campus
Anything would be an improvement over what's currently being done, which is nothing.
For a program that struggles to attract fans with its on the court product, you would think they'd be doing anything and everything to drum up interest and enthusiasm off the court, with the main conduit between the team and fans being the website. With thrice-monthy updates you'd be hard pressed to know a men's basketball program existed on the campus. I only assumed there would be headshots because of the players in uniform for the summer practices. Nope. Old information and players appearing out of thin air with virtually no information about them doesn't scream attention to detail. Since there's nothing going on, the head coach and/or those charged with promoting the program could:
-Provide daily updates/video of the summer workouts
-Interview the new freshman to introduce them to the fans
-Interview the assistant coaches
-Produce quick mini-clinic videos like Miami football is presently doing highlighting favorite drills (if only to prove to skeptics like myself that actual basketball skills are being taught). This would attract high school coaches who might just be coaching a future recruit
-Have live webchats where fans could ask players and coaches questions
-Create a BG Basketball Cribs video (like the football team has) showcasing the facilities
-Have the players produce video blogs (a la Roussos at the Military Bowl) about a day-in-the-life on campus
Anything would be an improvement over what's currently being done, which is nothing.
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Another quick point. If any of us were somehow (mistakingly, I'll concede) given the reigns over a Division I basketball program, don't you think we'd be doing everything in our power to make sure every base was covered? Would anyone simply choose not to promote their program in any way, shape or form? Not closely scrutinize the rosters/information given the public? Not use all 13 scholarships availible? Orr talkes about being a good steward of the opportunity he's been given when it appears on every front that he's doing the bare minimum.
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I don't know what the role of a head coach is in keeping the website updated. Maybe it's minimal, maybe it's integral. I haven't been around any Division 1 programs so I really cannot say with any authority what he should be doing.
That being said, it is painfully obvious that Orr does NOTHING to help promote BG basketball, and that's been a peeve of mine for a very long time. Before, even, he proved himself inept at actual coaching. I said it when we were looking for Brandon's replacement, and I continue to believe it to be true: One of the primary jobs of a head coach at BG is to market the product. Urban & Dakich were all stars in this regard. That women's hoops coach in UT has it all figured out as well. At this level winning is important but being actively involved in the community (both campus and local) are possibly even more important. It is imperative that a head coach at this level is willing to not only recruit and teach players, but also become the true face of the team. Like it or not the BG logo doesn't draw fans instantly like the OSU or UM or ND logos do...it's not enough to do the coaching duties then leave. It's not even enough if you're winning, IMO.
The next coach MUST be willing to be an ambassador for the program.
That being said, it is painfully obvious that Orr does NOTHING to help promote BG basketball, and that's been a peeve of mine for a very long time. Before, even, he proved himself inept at actual coaching. I said it when we were looking for Brandon's replacement, and I continue to believe it to be true: One of the primary jobs of a head coach at BG is to market the product. Urban & Dakich were all stars in this regard. That women's hoops coach in UT has it all figured out as well. At this level winning is important but being actively involved in the community (both campus and local) are possibly even more important. It is imperative that a head coach at this level is willing to not only recruit and teach players, but also become the true face of the team. Like it or not the BG logo doesn't draw fans instantly like the OSU or UM or ND logos do...it's not enough to do the coaching duties then leave. It's not even enough if you're winning, IMO.
The next coach MUST be willing to be an ambassador for the program.
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As the SID getting hammered on here, I'm happy to come on here and take my medicine. Thank you all for pointing out a few issues here and I take responsibility for the things that have been pointed out. I'll make just a couple of comments and then I'm more than happy to talk with anyone individually via e-mail at [email protected] or by phone at 419-372-7075. I love BGSU basketball and would love to chat with anyone, by phone or e-mail, about the team and what they perceive!
My goal was to get the 2013-14 roster up on the site as quickly as possible and ahead of most other schools listed on this thread (at the time of this writing, there are very few 2013-14 rosters on official websites at this time). I didn't want to wait for the last couple of bios to come in as I wanted to be able to get the roster posted immediately. I apologize for the look of incompletion as that was not my intent, but rather to get the roster up earlier than others.
As far as headshots go, it is standard operating procedure to wait until the fall starts so that we can do headshots and team photos at the same time (and not have to pay a photographer twice to do those separately as doing that for all 18 sports could obviously become cost prohibitive) with any new uniforms. As you all well know, rosters can often be in flux and players (on any team) often leave during the summer. We like to take the team photo as close to the season as possible, while still being before the many different media outlets and such request them, so that those in the photograph (players, coaches and support staff) are pretty well locked into the team for the year so that we don't have stray folks who don't actually end up on the team (though sometimes it still doesn't work out as athletes sometimes leave mid-year, etc.).
You all have caught some errors on majors and I'm working to get those corrected ASAP. In my haste to get the roster online, that was one area that I failed to review and update. I apologize for that and it was my fault totally.
As I said, I'm more than happy to discuss BGSU Basketball with anyone via my contact info above. Please understand that most of what I do is for you -- our fans. If you feel that I've failed at that, I apologize. I'm always looking for ways to better give a look at all 18 of our programs so that you can see what great student-athletes we have. I'm more than happy to discuss any ideas you have by phone or e-mail.
Thank you!
My goal was to get the 2013-14 roster up on the site as quickly as possible and ahead of most other schools listed on this thread (at the time of this writing, there are very few 2013-14 rosters on official websites at this time). I didn't want to wait for the last couple of bios to come in as I wanted to be able to get the roster posted immediately. I apologize for the look of incompletion as that was not my intent, but rather to get the roster up earlier than others.
As far as headshots go, it is standard operating procedure to wait until the fall starts so that we can do headshots and team photos at the same time (and not have to pay a photographer twice to do those separately as doing that for all 18 sports could obviously become cost prohibitive) with any new uniforms. As you all well know, rosters can often be in flux and players (on any team) often leave during the summer. We like to take the team photo as close to the season as possible, while still being before the many different media outlets and such request them, so that those in the photograph (players, coaches and support staff) are pretty well locked into the team for the year so that we don't have stray folks who don't actually end up on the team (though sometimes it still doesn't work out as athletes sometimes leave mid-year, etc.).
You all have caught some errors on majors and I'm working to get those corrected ASAP. In my haste to get the roster online, that was one area that I failed to review and update. I apologize for that and it was my fault totally.
As I said, I'm more than happy to discuss BGSU Basketball with anyone via my contact info above. Please understand that most of what I do is for you -- our fans. If you feel that I've failed at that, I apologize. I'm always looking for ways to better give a look at all 18 of our programs so that you can see what great student-athletes we have. I'm more than happy to discuss any ideas you have by phone or e-mail.
Thank you!
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Re: "Updated" 2013-2014 roster
A truly professional response. Thank you! And no, I'm not being sarcastic.BGSU SID wrote:As the SID getting hammered on here, I'm happy to come on here and take my medicine. Thank you all for pointing out a few issues here and I take responsibility for the things that have been pointed out. I'll make just a couple of comments and then I'm more than happy to talk with anyone individually via e-mail at [email protected] or by phone at 419-372-7075. I love BGSU basketball and would love to chat with anyone, by phone or e-mail, about the team and what they perceive!
My goal was to get the 2013-14 roster up on the site as quickly as possible and ahead of most other schools listed on this thread (at the time of this writing, there are very few 2013-14 rosters on official websites at this time). I didn't want to wait for the last couple of bios to come in as I wanted to be able to get the roster posted immediately. I apologize for the look of incompletion as that was not my intent, but rather to get the roster up earlier than others.
As far as headshots go, it is standard operating procedure to wait until the fall starts so that we can do headshots and team photos at the same time (and not have to pay a photographer twice to do those separately as doing that for all 18 sports could obviously become cost prohibitive) with any new uniforms. As you all well know, rosters can often be in flux and players (on any team) often leave during the summer. We like to take the team photo as close to the season as possible, while still being before the many different media outlets and such request them, so that those in the photograph (players, coaches and support staff) are pretty well locked into the team for the year so that we don't have stray folks who don't actually end up on the team (though sometimes it still doesn't work out as athletes sometimes leave mid-year, etc.).
You all have caught some errors on majors and I'm working to get those corrected ASAP. In my haste to get the roster online, that was one area that I failed to review and update. I apologize for that and it was my fault totally.
As I said, I'm more than happy to discuss BGSU Basketball with anyone via my contact info above. Please understand that most of what I do is for you -- our fans. If you feel that I've failed at that, I apologize. I'm always looking for ways to better give a look at all 18 of our programs so that you can see what great student-athletes we have. I'm more than happy to discuss any ideas you have by phone or e-mail.
Thank you!
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BleedOrange
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Re: "Updated" 2013-2014 roster
This doesn't cut it.BGSU SID wrote:As the SID getting hammered on here, I'm happy to come on here and take my medicine. Thank you all for pointing out a few issues here and I take responsibility for the things that have been pointed out. I'll make just a couple of comments and then I'm more than happy to talk with anyone individually via e-mail at [email protected] or by phone at 419-372-7075. I love BGSU basketball and would love to chat with anyone, by phone or e-mail, about the team and what they perceive!
My goal was to get the 2013-14 roster up on the site as quickly as possible and ahead of most other schools listed on this thread (at the time of this writing, there are very few 2013-14 rosters on official websites at this time). I didn't want to wait for the last couple of bios to come in as I wanted to be able to get the roster posted immediately. I apologize for the look of incompletion as that was not my intent, but rather to get the roster up earlier than others.
As far as headshots go, it is standard operating procedure to wait until the fall starts so that we can do headshots and team photos at the same time (and not have to pay a photographer twice to do those separately as doing that for all 18 sports could obviously become cost prohibitive) with any new uniforms. As you all well know, rosters can often be in flux and players (on any team) often leave during the summer. We like to take the team photo as close to the season as possible, while still being before the many different media outlets and such request them, so that those in the photograph (players, coaches and support staff) are pretty well locked into the team for the year so that we don't have stray folks who don't actually end up on the team (though sometimes it still doesn't work out as athletes sometimes leave mid-year, etc.).
You all have caught some errors on majors and I'm working to get those corrected ASAP. In my haste to get the roster online, that was one area that I failed to review and update. I apologize for that and it was my fault totally.
As I said, I'm more than happy to discuss BGSU Basketball with anyone via my contact info above. Please understand that most of what I do is for you -- our fans. If you feel that I've failed at that, I apologize. I'm always looking for ways to better give a look at all 18 of our programs so that you can see what great student-athletes we have. I'm more than happy to discuss any ideas you have by phone or e-mail.
Thank you!
The information on that site is STATIC, and therefore should be very easy to update on a regular basis. Great, you post the information as early as possible, but that doesn't mean that you can't update it every day. Rosters change and other new information emerges frequently. If you can't update a STATIC web site, you or somebody in IT is slacking, not cooperating, or not taking the initiative.
There's no excuse for the personal data being so out of date. It would be better to pull the information than to leave it stale. You, Orr, an assistant coach, or a long line of people are in a position to instigate this type of proper maintenance. Nothing says "apathy" more strongly than the outdated personal info, and the overall dearth of info about the program. "Standard operating procedure" is the give-away phrase in your response.
(Furthermore, you don't need to pay a professional photographer for simple temprorary, 1"X1" head shots.)
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BGFalconfromCincy
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Re: "Updated" 2013-2014 roster
If those were the only pictures being taken you would have a point, they aren't though.BleedOrange wrote:(Furthermore, you don't need to pay a professional photographer for simple temprorary, 1"X1" head shots.)
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Re: "Updated" 2013-2014 roster
I worked in the sports information office as a student at BGSU way back when. At that time, the SID office was woefully understaffed and underpaid. I'm guessing things haven't changed a lot. I don't know Jason Knavel personally, but I appreciate that he took the time to address some people's concerns on this site.
Unless I'm mistaken, I'm guessing the members of the SID staff are pretty darn busy. This is not an excuse, just a fact. They all have multiple sports to deal with, as opposed to a Big Ten or SEC school where the men's basketball SID probably has that sport alone, or maybe only one other sport (golf, for example). From the looks of things, it appears that Jason also has volleyball, cross country and track and field. While some of us (me included) don't care too much about any of those sports, it still takes a lot of Jason's time to do the day-to-day duties involved with those sports as well. And, if he has a family, he only has about two months out of the year where his sports aren't in season, and he can actually take some vacation time out of the office to see them.
Like I said, I don't know Jason personally. But, I do know that at BGSU, the SID, marketing and promotions staffers have traditionally been asked to do more with less. I'm sure Jason would be the first to admit he's not perfect (in fact, he pretty much admitted that right here on this site), but it appears to me that he's a pretty hard worker who does not deserve the amount of vitriol he's receiving.
Unless I'm mistaken, I'm guessing the members of the SID staff are pretty darn busy. This is not an excuse, just a fact. They all have multiple sports to deal with, as opposed to a Big Ten or SEC school where the men's basketball SID probably has that sport alone, or maybe only one other sport (golf, for example). From the looks of things, it appears that Jason also has volleyball, cross country and track and field. While some of us (me included) don't care too much about any of those sports, it still takes a lot of Jason's time to do the day-to-day duties involved with those sports as well. And, if he has a family, he only has about two months out of the year where his sports aren't in season, and he can actually take some vacation time out of the office to see them.
Like I said, I don't know Jason personally. But, I do know that at BGSU, the SID, marketing and promotions staffers have traditionally been asked to do more with less. I'm sure Jason would be the first to admit he's not perfect (in fact, he pretty much admitted that right here on this site), but it appears to me that he's a pretty hard worker who does not deserve the amount of vitriol he's receiving.
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One other thing; I believe it is an NCAA violation to post video of the summer practices.
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Let's get the blame back to the appropriate people here. Louis Orr, Lamonta Stone, Dennis Hopson, and Louis Twigg. Orr isn't even posting on Twitter in 2013. Hopson is re-living his glory days, and Stone is basically promoting his kid. Long gone are the days of Junior Falcons. BG holds a single day team camp in the summer. That's it. No kids camp at all. Watch how all this changes next summer when Orr is gone, and a new coach with some energy and a purpose gets the keys. 9 more months of Sleepy Lou going through the motions is all.
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I have several cousins who grew up playing Jr. Falcons and loved it every year. I'm still appalled that it has died because, apparently, it was something Dakich just did. It was a great way to get young fans involved, get the players out in the community, and promote the program.guest44 wrote:Let's get the blame back to the appropriate people here. Louis Orr, Lamonta Stone, Dennis Hopson, and Louis Twigg. Orr isn't even posting on Twitter in 2013. Hopson is re-living his glory days, and Stone is basically promoting his kid. Long gone are the days of Junior Falcons. BG holds a single day team camp in the summer. That's it. No kids camp at all. Watch how all this changes next summer when Orr is gone, and a new coach with some energy and a purpose gets the keys. 9 more months of Sleepy Lou going through the motions is all.
At this point I'd take Dan back in a heartbeat over Orr and I was pretty ready to run him out of town by the time he left here. He wasn't a great coach, to be sure, but at least he understood the job and was willing to give interviews. Orr is a joke in that regard.
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I am wondering how many season ticket holders from last year are NOT renewing them for this year? I have been thinking about this for awhile, and just received the forms yesterday. I know I am renewing my women's tickets, but can't make up my mind for the men.
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I got my forms the other day as well and I'm so torn.factman wrote:I am wondering how many season ticket holders from last year are NOT renewing them for this year? I have been thinking about this for awhile, and just received the forms yesterday. I know I am renewing my women's tickets, but can't make up my mind for the men.
I hate to pay to be miserable!
On the one hand I can't imagine NOT going to most of the games. I don't want to give up my seats which I love and are next to Grant's so we get to bitch and be miserable together.
On the other hand I feel like a damned fool continuing to give the athletic department money when they refuse to invest in making the hoops program competitive or even relevant. It really is a joke to let Orr go on for another year. It was stupid when they let Dakich do it and it's equally (if not more) stupid now. It's not the way to run an Division 1 athletic department.
In the end I will probably renew my tickets just because it gives me something to do during the winter months and because I have a feeling if I don't renew I'd just end up buying single game tickets all the time anyhow. As bad as that program is though we should be able to write off the ticket prices as well as the mandatory falcon club donation when it comes tax time...
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I would suggest waiting and buying single game tickets to the annual MAC Tournament Monday meltdown at the Stroh. Two final hours of miserable play, followed by a celebration knowing the Orr era of boring, uninspired basketball is finally over.
