Looks to be official...

[FalcanBall4life]

I would be surprised if they made a decision soon. I think they should take their time and look all over. Look at different assistant coaches in the tournament, nba guys, etc. But who knows, they probably have been doing their homework for a while now.

[falconwomenbball]

I don't think many or any are saying a change isn't needed. But the continual harping about Coach Orr and the failings of the program wasn't needed. I pretty much knew from the beginning of the season that Coach Orr wasn't going to be back. It seemed like that everyone knew better than the coaches. The team and the program deserved our support. Was the product on the court what we wanted? Certainly not. They still worked hard to win, but it just didn't happen. I too have been a season ticket holder for many, many years. It has been frustrating most of the time. I'm looking forward to the new beginning with the next men's basketball coach at BGSU. Let's hope that the negativity stays away.

[footballguy51]

In the past, I went to a couple games a season. This year...I actually forgot when the games were being played. Why? The games I watched on TV or online were so pathetic that I wasn't about to show up and pay money to watch that crap. And yes, that may be harsh, but that was what it was. It was a joke watching that team play like a bunch of random guys thrown together on the street to play a pick-up game. Toss the ball to nobody, constantly try to hot dog, throwing up giant bricks consistently. But, if you don't voice your displeasure, somebody may get the wrong impression and feel that things were acceptable in their current status.

[HoopsFan]

Ok so who's throwing their hat in the ring for the job coaching this team?

I read all of your comments and wonder if anyone has the guts to put their thoughts into action and do the job.

I've already coached. Don't want it, don't need it. have too much fun cheering in the stands.

I've held my season tickets, went to games when I was healthy.

You got what you wanted but I wonder how soon you'll be all over the new guy for whatever.

You also help create the atmosphere around a program and it's been toxic

(off soap box)

I don't know where you were in the 3 years of Dee, because I walked out of AA and never went back until she was gone. One thing that was clear, for whatever reasons, she wasn't a good fit for the Falcon women. It didn't take Paul Krebs 7 years to figure that out, nor did they wait until her contract was ended.

I can't coach kids, nor am I a teacher, so it eliminates me from consideration. You however.....

Seriously, we need someone who is a cross between Louis Orr and Dan Dakich. I"ve seen all these guys from Pat Haley to Weinert, to Larranaga and beyond. You see what attendance is like when the women win, yet some fans wouldn't deignn to watch women play basketball. Miami had 972 or so fans for the men's game and NIU drew less than 1000 for the first round tournament, yet Toledo seems to draw thousands (6 and 4) for the men's and women's game. Can we at least get that glory back where it's fun to go to the Stroh Center and see some talented basketball players? I suppose as far as coaching, there's not much difference between the mens and womens coaches. You recruit kids to your system and teach them to play and WIN and hope that you made the right recruiting choices. We've had a lot of men and women who didn't fit at BG, but I'm sure for different reasons. A woman isn't here as a step to the next level and a man is. The present women's philosophy of getting smart kids in the classroom probably isn't a bad idea to adopt on the men's side.

But no matter, I'm going to be there, to cheer on my team, although this year was touch and go. I'd like to see what happens next year and the next. If we use the Toledo men as a bar, why can't we have the same success in 2 or 3 years?
Of course, it will be very interesting to see what happens to both the Toledo and Akron women next year, and in a small sense BG women. Let's see who reloads quicker, but I'm hoping, and guessing, BG.

Go Falcons.

HoosFan

[BGSUE]

I was around for the Dee years but didn't walk away. The coach isn't the only one in this equation. When the players see seats disguised as fans, it

affects them too. They are stuck playing the way the coach dictates. Fan support through thick & thin can help. That's why Jennifer wants it at each game.

I played 6 player with & without the rover, three dribbles or you could only pass. Coached high school when students were on split schedule and

helped develop a 5 player team as the second coach at the school. Now they are going to state. I didn't have anything to do with that but we tried to

continue what was something new. I had one walk-on to another MAC school.

I hope you get the person you want as our next Men's coach. That you boost them up and fill the seats in the Stroh.

Finding fault is easy on the outside looking in. Many a successful coach praises the good play then educates to correct the mistakes.

[BGWriter]

Ok so who's throwing their hat in the ring for the job coaching this team?

I read all of your comments and wonder if anyone has the guts to put their thoughts into action and do the job.

I've already coached. Don't want it, don't need it. have too much fun cheering in the stands.

I've held my season tickets, went to games when I was healthy.

You got what you wanted but I wonder how soon you'll be all over the new guy for whatever.

You also help create the atmosphere around a program and it's been toxic

(off soap box)

Sorry for the weird quote, but the system wouldn't let me use the regular quote function.

Tell you what, Sue, I bet just about any of those of us who were complaining about how this team was handled this season could have done a better job than good old Louis did -- even without the background and experience in coaching.

For one thing: all of us would have at least used the available scholarships and not handcuffed the team so harshly by creating such a lack of depth on the bench. That's such a basic thing to do, it's embarrassing a coach as experienced as Orr did it.

I'm also willing to bet a lot of those mystifying, end of game decisions that were made (almost all of which resulted in losses, by the way) would have been different and BG probably would have won at least a game or two more. Odds are good, wouldn't you say?

You can criticize those of us who hammered BG and Coach Orr for the egregious mistake of letting this folly go on for another year unnecessarily all you like, but the bottom line is this: we were right. Orr was a horrible hire and keeping him doubled down on that mistake.

In case you've forgotten, this program hasn't been to an NCAA tournament since 1968! That means it's one of only about a half dozen schools (out of more than 300 by the way) that have gone this long without at least getting into the tournament.

Don't you find that at least a little bit embarrassing? Maybe a lot more embarrassing that a few fans on a fan forum letting off steam and venting their (well founded) frustrations about seeing the school they love, and the basketball program they follow, made to look like it's totally inept for years on end?

I sincerely hope Mr. Kingston is up to the task of finding the right guy to turn this crapfest around, because I'd really, really like to see the BG men actually get back to the NCAA tournament one time before I leave this Earth for good. When I first set foot on campus, it had only been four years since the last tournament trip -- and I never, EVER thought I'd be writing what I just did about hoping to see at least one more visit before God calls me home.

Okay...end of my rant. Now someone else can have the soapbox.

PS: To the Falcon Club and to BGSU: I will now resume my regular donations to both the athletic program and the university that I stopped when it was decided to keep Orr another year. I said I'd start giving again when he was let go, and I will keep that promise.

[Falcon137]

I had one walk-on to another MAC school.

Too bad Orr wasn't the one recruiting that player. He would have graded her a starter in the MAC and given a scholarship.

[trooperden]

Thanks to the Seniors, the agony is over, on to bigger and better, hopefully. Might Ali Mann be available

[guest44]

UH OH.......here come the sharks.

[transfer2BGSU]

I think the biggest thing is that some people let their hatred of Coach Orr affect their emotions way too much and forgot that there were 16 young men on the roster wearing the orange and brown that deserved their support. Unfortunately, the scorn many had for the coaching staff showed way more than support for the players.

[hammb]

Well I've been vocal to my bitching and my hatred for Orr the past 2 years, but I have not stopped supporting the program/athletes in any way. I've still had season tickets. I've probably missed 5-6 games over those 2 years. I still cheer my ass off when I'm there, and I want nothing more than to see the team win.

Historically I've given my unconditional support to pretty much every coach hire we've had (except for Brandon...didn't like him from day 1). My issue is that in both the case of Dakich v2.0 and Orr it has become painfully obvious 2-3 years earlier that a change was needed. I find it very difficult to not voice my displeasure when it is painfully obvious that the department is choosing to save money over attempting to win.

[bgsufalcon24]

Thanks to the Seniors, the agony is over, on to bigger and better, hopefully. Might Ali Mann be available

Ali Mann would be a huge upgrade over Orr, that's for damn sure.

[footballguy51]

The young men on the team didn't deserve all of this, BUT I'm not going to pay to go watch the disaster that existed on the court. If they want support, I'll write them all an email. That's free. Besides, I watched online or on TV when I could because I wasn't paying to be an in-person witness to the travesty and I could easily change the channel when it became unbearable.

[CrazyFan]

I think the biggest thing is that some people let their hatred of Coach Orr affect their emotions way too much and forgot that there were 16 young men on the roster wearing the orange and brown that deserved their support. Unfortunately, the scorn many had for the coaching staff showed way more than support for the players.

How are we as fans supposed to support the players when their own university doesn't support the players. Ranging from Christopher (when he was here) to Mary Ellen. This university made a big old "we don't care about this program" by keeping Orr employed the past 2 years. 95% of other universities would have s**t canned Orr after his 5th year. Our entire fan base (other than university employees and BGSue) saw the writing on the wall in years 1-5 that Orr was not going to work out. I saw it within the first 10 games in year 1. Yet this university turned a blind eye, and in essence turning a blind eye to the athletes that were part of the program. Apparently they don't care if those athletes win or loss. So why should we care as fans? And yes, Orr and his staffs TOTAL ineptness and Orr refusal to take ANY responsibility for this program (and use God as his out in every tough spot instead of being a man and professional and answering the question) played a part in the fans disdain. But for me, it all goes back to the university and if they don't support their own athletes, why should I? We as fans give and pay a lot of money to this university for this program. They have the responsibility to put their best foot forward and put the best product on the court that they can. They have failed MISERABLY at that the past 4 years, and really the past 11 years.

[hammb]

I think footballguy & CrazyFan are absolutely correct. I don't see how you can fault the fans for not coming out to watch the product that we've put on the court. I also don't think you can blame US for not supporting the players when the administration has not supported them. As I have said, we made a conscious decision over the past several years that we'd rather save the buyout dollars than commit to a winning program. That has always bothered me because I always believe if you're going to field D1 athletics it behooves you to spend what you can to ensure competitiveness in your conference. You get no return on your investment at all if you're a perennial loser.

After the '12-13 season Orr should have been without a doubt been fired, but wasn't due to the AD change.
After the '11-12 season Orr definitely should have been fired because that was his team of HIS players with high expectations and they barely finished .500.
After the '10-11 season there were rumblings that he should be gone, and I said at the time I would have been fine with it because we hadn't seen enough, but I was in favor of giving him the 1 year with all his own guys

Bottom line is that he should have been gone years ago, and the department didn't make that move for whatever reasons. If the administration hasn't supported the program (and they clearly haven't) I really don't think anybody has a place to question the fans' support of the program.