Drexel v BG

[Falconwriter]

Browns blinders. It happens with every new QB. From the outside I can tell you his skill set is around Andy Dalton level and his mentality will fracture locker rooms. He may grow up and be and be an average QB. Everyone has worked around a guy like this and no one wants to.

I am gonna say this: Let's revisit this in a year or so and I am willing to bet you are wrong. Not just wrong, but REALLY wrong. Both about his talent level and his ceiling, and his personality. I'm not a huge fan of Twitter wars on any level, but it seems to be a big part of what younger athletes do these days. Oh and by the way...ALL of his Browns teammates have rallied around him on the Hue stuff. All of them. That should tell you all you need to know about that crappy coach.

[hammb]

It's not Browns blinders to me because I was in love with him way before he ever was drafted by the Browns. His shoulder is so far beyond Andy Dalton it's not even funny. His arm talent is far superior, as is his ability to quicklyy process information. There's a reason one went #1 and the other was a second rounder. Dalton is probably a better athlete, and obviously is bigger.

As to the personality thing unless we've worked as a player in an NFL locker room our experiences are irrelevant. The NFL isn't a regular work place, and Baker's attitude is exactly what NFL players want. A QB who acts like a football player, not a pretty boy. Take a look at what guys like Mark Andrews are still saying about him.

I could end up wrong. Won't be the first time. But Baker was fantastic in college and has exceeded even my expectations as a rookie. Time will tell, but I think he's a future star. Whether he makes it or not "skillset" won't be the reason he fails.

[Globetrotter]

Browns blinders. It happens with every new QB. From the outside I can tell you his skill set is around Andy Dalton level and his mentality will fracture locker rooms. He may grow up and be and be an average QB. Everyone has worked around a guy like this and no one wants to.

I am gonna say this: Let's revisit this in a year or so and I am willing to bet you are wrong. Not just wrong, but REALLY wrong. Both about his talent level and his ceiling, and his personality. I'm not a huge fan of Twitter wars on any level, but it seems to be a big part of what younger athletes do these days. Oh and by the way...ALL of his Browns teammates have rallied around him on the Hue stuff. All of them. That should tell you all you need to know about that crappy coach.

They are rallying around Greg Williams too. I hope that the Browns have Gregg Williams as HC and Mayfield as QB. It will be fun to watch.

[hammb]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

[Falconwriter]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

[Globetrotter]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

He is a fan of a team other than the Browns, and sees the Browns for what they are.

[Falconwriter]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

He is a fan of a team other than the Browns, and sees the Browns for what they are.

Your tense is wrong...you saw them for what they WERE. That's okay; a lot of NFL fans and pundits are still making that mistake.

[hammb]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

He is a fan of a team other than the Browns, and sees the Browns for what they are.

Your tense is wrong...you saw them for what they WERE. That's okay; a lot of NFL fans and pundits are still making that mistake.

Anybody that doesn't see the Browns as one of the best collections of young talent in the NFL isn't seeing the Browns for what they are. People outside of Cleveland have still not fully grasped how generationally AWFUL Hue Jackson was at HC. That team should have NEVER gone 1-15, 0-16 the past 2 seasons. The roster wasn't playoff caliber, but it was not historically awful either. But that's okay, because what it has done is allow them to stockpile a young roster that is the envy of much of the league. Garrett, Ogbah, Ogunjobi, Schobert, Ward, Peppers, Chubb, Njoku, and Mayfield are all foundational pieces on rookie deals. If Baker progresses from where he's currently at they're poised to be really good with the right coach. Few teams can boast that level of talent on rookie deals.

But Globe's a Bungles fan, I'm pretty sure.

[Falconwriter]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

He is a fan of a team other than the Browns, and sees the Browns for what they are.

Your tense is wrong...you saw them for what they WERE. That's okay; a lot of NFL fans and pundits are still making that mistake.

Anybody that doesn't see the Browns as one of the best collections of young talent in the NFL isn't seeing the Browns for what they are. People outside of Cleveland have still not fully grasped how generationally AWFUL Hue Jackson was at HC. That team should have NEVER gone 1-15, 0-16 the past 2 seasons. The roster wasn't playoff caliber, but it was not historically awful either. But that's okay, because what it has done is allow them to stockpile a young roster that is the envy of much of the league. Garrett, Ogbah, Ogunjobi, Schobert, Ward, Peppers, Chubb, Njoku, and Mayfield are all foundational pieces on rookie deals. If Baker progresses from where he's currently at they're poised to be really good with the right coach. Few teams can boast that level of talent on rookie deals.

But Globe's a Bungles fan, I'm pretty sure.

Well, that would explain being a bit irritable this week.

You are right about the roster, and you even forgot Calloway at WR and Avery at LB, two other rookie players who've been making quite an impact of late. This year's draft class may go down as one for the ages, if everyone develops as it appears they will.

Then you have to remember two other things, which I'm pretty sure most NFL fans don't know: The Browns again have a bunch of extra draft picks for next Spring...and they are expected to have cap space of about $60 million or more that can be used to extend current players who do well, and to sign a few free agents to fill any remaining holes on the roster. All of which makes the Cleveland coaching job, arguably, the most attractive opening out there.

[Globetrotter]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

He is a fan of a team other than the Browns, and sees the Browns for what they are.

Your tense is wrong...you saw them for what they WERE. That's okay; a lot of NFL fans and pundits are still making that mistake.

Anybody that doesn't see the Browns as one of the best collections of young talent in the NFL isn't seeing the Browns for what they are. People outside of Cleveland have still not fully grasped how generationally AWFUL Hue Jackson was at HC. That team should have NEVER gone 1-15, 0-16 the past 2 seasons. The roster wasn't playoff caliber, but it was not historically awful either. But that's okay, because what it has done is allow them to stockpile a young roster that is the envy of much of the league. Garrett, Ogbah, Ogunjobi, Schobert, Ward, Peppers, Chubb, Njoku, and Mayfield are all foundational pieces on rookie deals. If Baker progresses from where he's currently at they're poised to be really good with the right coach. Few teams can boast that level of talent on rookie deals.

But Globe's a Bungles fan, I'm pretty sure.

Those guys are not all foundational pieces. That's a huge overstatement. Garrett is great. Ward is great. Mayfield was the first overall pick and might end up being great. The rest of them are either average or raw.

[hammb]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

He is a fan of a team other than the Browns, and sees the Browns for what they are.

Your tense is wrong...you saw them for what they WERE. That's okay; a lot of NFL fans and pundits are still making that mistake.

Anybody that doesn't see the Browns as one of the best collections of young talent in the NFL isn't seeing the Browns for what they are. People outside of Cleveland have still not fully grasped how generationally AWFUL Hue Jackson was at HC. That team should have NEVER gone 1-15, 0-16 the past 2 seasons. The roster wasn't playoff caliber, but it was not historically awful either. But that's okay, because what it has done is allow them to stockpile a young roster that is the envy of much of the league. Garrett, Ogbah, Ogunjobi, Schobert, Ward, Peppers, Chubb, Njoku, and Mayfield are all foundational pieces on rookie deals. If Baker progresses from where he's currently at they're poised to be really good with the right coach. Few teams can boast that level of talent on rookie deals.

But Globe's a Bungles fan, I'm pretty sure.

Those guys are not all foundational pieces. That's a huge overstatement. Garrett is great. Ward is great. Mayfield was the first overall pick and might end up being great. The rest of them are either average or raw.

You are underrating most of those guys calling all of them average or raw. Especially Schobert, Peppers, & Chubb who have been among the best in the league at their positions all year. And even if they are average or raw now the point is that they're all on rookie deals. These guys are already contributing at average or better levels a 1st & 2nd year players.

As I said, it's a foundation, not a house. They need the right coach and Baker to build them into a house.

[Globetrotter]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

He is a fan of a team other than the Browns, and sees the Browns for what they are.

Your tense is wrong...you saw them for what they WERE. That's okay; a lot of NFL fans and pundits are still making that mistake.

Anybody that doesn't see the Browns as one of the best collections of young talent in the NFL isn't seeing the Browns for what they are. People outside of Cleveland have still not fully grasped how generationally AWFUL Hue Jackson was at HC. That team should have NEVER gone 1-15, 0-16 the past 2 seasons. The roster wasn't playoff caliber, but it was not historically awful either. But that's okay, because what it has done is allow them to stockpile a young roster that is the envy of much of the league. Garrett, Ogbah, Ogunjobi, Schobert, Ward, Peppers, Chubb, Njoku, and Mayfield are all foundational pieces on rookie deals. If Baker progresses from where he's currently at they're poised to be really good with the right coach. Few teams can boast that level of talent on rookie deals.

But Globe's a Bungles fan, I'm pretty sure.

Those guys are not all foundational pieces. That's a huge overstatement. Garrett is great. Ward is great. Mayfield was the first overall pick and might end up being great. The rest of them are either average or raw.

You are underrating most of those guys calling all of them average or raw. Especially Schobert, Peppers, & Chubb who have been among the best in the league at their positions all year. And even if they are average or raw now the point is that they're all on rookie deals. These guys are already contributing at average or better levels a 1st & 2nd year players.

As I said, it's a foundation, not a house. They need the right coach and Baker to build them into a house.

That's ridiculous. Chubb is one of the best RBs in the league? Peppers one of the best safeties? LOL.

[hammb]

Williams is a bit of a buffoon and him as the permanent HC would be a disaster waiting to happen. Won't disagree there.

They're gonna have Baker as their QB for at least the next 5 years, and I agree, it will be VERY fun to watch.

Williams is, indeed, a bit of a buffoon. When his interim stint is finished, I'm pretty sure John Dorsey is going to shake his hand and say: Thank you, Double GG...you did a nice job. Then they will be announcing their new head coach, and it won't be Williams. Of that I'm pretty certain. Dorsey comes from Kansas City and understands that you need to pair a good offensive minded coach with a QB talent. He's the one who hired Reid at KC and drafted Mahomes. So, don't think he's going to all of a sudden deviate from a strategy that has created, arguably, the best offense in the NFL today.

Do you get the impression maybe Globe is a fan of a team that might be a rival to the Browns?

He is a fan of a team other than the Browns, and sees the Browns for what they are.

Your tense is wrong...you saw them for what they WERE. That's okay; a lot of NFL fans and pundits are still making that mistake.

Anybody that doesn't see the Browns as one of the best collections of young talent in the NFL isn't seeing the Browns for what they are. People outside of Cleveland have still not fully grasped how generationally AWFUL Hue Jackson was at HC. That team should have NEVER gone 1-15, 0-16 the past 2 seasons. The roster wasn't playoff caliber, but it was not historically awful either. But that's okay, because what it has done is allow them to stockpile a young roster that is the envy of much of the league. Garrett, Ogbah, Ogunjobi, Schobert, Ward, Peppers, Chubb, Njoku, and Mayfield are all foundational pieces on rookie deals. If Baker progresses from where he's currently at they're poised to be really good with the right coach. Few teams can boast that level of talent on rookie deals.

But Globe's a Bungles fan, I'm pretty sure.

Those guys are not all foundational pieces. That's a huge overstatement. Garrett is great. Ward is great. Mayfield was the first overall pick and might end up being great. The rest of them are either average or raw.

You are underrating most of those guys calling all of them average or raw. Especially Schobert, Peppers, & Chubb who have been among the best in the league at their positions all year. And even if they are average or raw now the point is that they're all on rookie deals. These guys are already contributing at average or better levels a 1st & 2nd year players.

As I said, it's a foundation, not a house. They need the right coach and Baker to build them into a house.

That's ridiculous. Chubb is one of the best RBs in the league? Peppers one of the best safeties? LOL.

Nick Chubb is currently the #2 ranked RB by PFF. He's #1 in elusive rating, #1 in yards after contact, and #1 in breakaway percentage. He's in the top 5 yards per carry for all RBs with >100 carries. Yeah, Nick Chubb has absolutely been one of the best RBs in the league by nearly any measure. Except of course in the bulk counting stats because the idiots in charge of the offense kept him on the bench until Hyde was traded.

Peppers is ranked the #30 safety by PFF, but that includes ALL safeties. Last I saw he was 10th or 11th among SS specifically, but I cannot find that breakdown right now.

Yeah, these guys are playing among the best in the league at their positions. At least that's what the people who view film and grade them for a living say.

I'm a Browns fan, but I'm generally pretty realistic and level-headed about where they're at. They are in a better spot than I've seen them in my life. Just nobody knows it because the idiot coach has held them back for 2 1/2 years.

[TalonsUpPuckDown]

I've no dog in this hunt, but found the article interesting.

Are The Browns Actually Decent Now That They’ve Changed Coaches?

[Globetrotter]

PFF.....