Scrimmage 10/30

[guest44]

Just like the NCAA stranglehold on NIL, this policy will eventually change too.

[Flipper]

Do BGSU students understand where their fees go? Are they given an itemized breakdown as part of their tuition statements? The lack of student attendance at events that they are admitted to for "free" demonstrates a level of indifference. Would an understanding of how their fees are spent motivate them to demand change?

[pdt1081]

Do BGSU students understand where their fees go? Are they given an itemized breakdown as part of their tuition statements? The lack of student attendance at events that they are admitted to for "free" demonstrates a level of indifference. Would an understanding of how their fees are spent motivate them to demand change?

They are too occupied with things like "Indigenous People's Day" to worry about where/how their money is actually spent.

[Flipper]

I didn't have time to worry about such things when I was in school. It was cheap enough then that I could work all year and pay my way through. Getting grades and making money took up 95% of the time. The other 5% went towards finding/getting/losing girlfriends...

[BleedOrange]

College students clearly despise college sports. Students have left by the thousands protesting this injustice. And BG is obviosely the only D1 school that charges these fees and is uniquely in the wrong.

Hi Antimob. I'm a BGSU '89 grad, so I'm removed from BG campus life and wasn't aware of this sentiment among students wrt college sports. However, I believe I can understand it. Tell me if I'm wrong.

- Students take on insane debt levels to get a degree, and part of what their payments fund is college sports. Students are taking out debt to fund college sports. Infuriating.
- College athletes are on scholarships, so some of the state support of the university is diverted to fund athletes' scholarships instead of reducing the costs for regular students.
- Given the future financial hardships of students, the entertainment value of college sports, the school spirit, the sense school identity, etc..... are quaint and farcical notions that students of my era enjoyed but current students do not.

I'm looking forward to your response. Thanks.

[BPardonMyTake]

sooooo anyone have anymore insight on Myron Gordon? That's about the last thing we need is locker room issues before the season even starts especially with this many mouths to feed.

[mbenecke]

sooooo anyone have anymore insight on Myron Gordon? That's about the last thing we need is locker room issues before the season even starts especially with this many mouths to feed.

I don't have any extra info, but he did tweet "I'm tryin" after the scrimmage on Saturday afternoon, and he hasn't been active on social media since then. I don't know if it means anything or not.

Here's hoping it was a fluke and the kid can contribute this year.

[Antimob]

Tell me if I'm wrong.

To attribute the student debt crisis (and I agree it is a crisis) to college athletes is incorrect. To attribute it to BGSU athletics, who pay their football coach half of what UT pays their football coach and subsist on the lowest operating budget in the MAC, is also pointing the finger where it doesn't belong.

Athletics is around $25 million of a $300+ million annual budget. Our friend professor jackson can provide some insight as to where the vast majority of the big money goes.

The value derived from the money spent on college athletics, from the athletes themselves to the groups drawn together by watching them, is perhaps the best spent money on campus. The widespread anger and rage everyone wants students to feel over this just doesn't exist. They like having D1 sports on campus.

It's a great irony that the value of college sports has to be continually defended and justified on a message board for college sports fans. I'm much more interested in
why Myron Gordon was yelling at everyone.

[Falcon Fryed]

Very excited for this team. Team construction seems to have everything needed. A couple of thoughts from the scrimmage:

Ubong - Long and athletic. Always has a smile. Will be awesome to see him develop.

Mills - Shot looked rough and didn't make a noticeable difference.

Fulcher - Continued to do the stuff that makes the difference (rebound, guard and get on the floor).

Fields - Didn't play (not sure why) but was very active from the bench.

Metheny - Was all over the place flying around. Step back and shot looked great. Looked more under control and changed pace better.

Young - Didn't stand out but definitely looks more physically mature.

Diggs - More aggressive defensively and put the ball on the floor more than I have ever seen him.

Elsasser - Hit a couple of three's. Can really shoot and has decent size.

Turner - Was very impressive. Hit a lot of shots and his wings span allows him to guard multiple positions. Looked more physically mature.

Curtis - Has decent size. Looked like he was still trying to fit in. Had a couple of J. Turner esk iso possessions towards the end.

Reece - Was a difference maker down low. All over the boards. Got a little tired and slowed down but was awesome to see a big get the ball and make a legit scoring move.

Matiss - Suited but didn't play.

Plowden - Did typical Plowden stuff. Was able to play on the perimeter more now with added size and looked really good in the open court.

O'Neal - Is a an absolute huge body that will be able to absolutely punish smaller front courts or more physical bigs. Posted Plowden up once on the wing and his first bump had him at the basket.

Watson - Didn't see him play.

Gordon - I would agree with previous posters on this thread. Definitely has skills but 100% was off with the attitude. Needs the ball in his hand to feel comfortable it seemed. Multiple instances where he was arguing with teammates. With current rotation I would not be surprised if his attitude pushed him down on the depth chart and he faded off during the winter break.

[Diemilkweed]

Tell me if I'm wrong.

To attribute the student debt crisis (and I agree it is a crisis) to college athletes is incorrect. To attribute it to BGSU athletics, who pay their football coach half of what UT pays their football coach and subsist on the lowest operating budget in the MAC, is also pointing the finger where it doesn't belong.

Athletics is around $25 million of a $300+ million annual budget. Our friend professor jackson can provide some insight as to where the vast majority of the big money goes.

The value derived from the money spent on college athletics, from the athletes themselves to the groups drawn together by watching them, is perhaps the best spent money on campus. The widespread anger and rage everyone wants students to feel over this just doesn't exist. They like having D1 sports on campus.

It's a great irony that the value of college sports has to be continually defended and justified on a message board for college sports fans. I'm much more interested in
why Myron Gordon was yelling at everyone.

I don't think he did attribute the student debt crisis to athletics. But he said that a portion of the expense students pay is to prop up athletics that many are apathetic about. Given what attendance is like at games for all sports, it's pretty hard to argue the apathy. And when someone else is going for free, and your fees are making that happen, and you are going to be in debt WAY over your head for decades, any tiny little straw can break the camels back.

[Antimob]

If a student feels that passionately about the subject then a Division I campus is a strange place for them to be. They presumably know going in there are sports teams, much like Kent, Toledo, Cincinnati, etc. The football stadium is the first thing you see getting off the exit. There are plenty of D3 schools out there, but alas, many also charge student fees related to their programs. I heard Reed College has no athletics whatsoever, so that might be an option.

Plenty of students attend games, and those that don't are missing out on a fantastic experience. You'd think people who post on this board would understand that the most.

[guest44]

The average student has no idea what amount of the student fees they pay goes to overpay coaches and athletic administrators. That's why they hide it like they do. Bowling Green runs with the smallest athletic budget partly because they have people in place who others don't trust they will do the money what it is intended. As far as what Toledo pays it's football coach compared to Bowling Green. Both are overpaid and both will be viewed as failures at the time of exit. Once again, complete malpractice of student fees. On a positive note Bill Frack has provided the basketball team with a alot of shoes. His money was intended to help buy home games. Let's take a look and we got Fairmont St, Ohio Wesleyan, Norfolk State, Chicago State, and Carlow. Owens and Lourdes must have had scheduling conflicts this season. It's going to be a good year for new shoes.

[Flipper]

Only an entrenched bureaucrat would utter the phrase..."it's only $25 Million"...

Re the students...they don't care about athletics...they're apathetic. Fully disclose the amount of money they pay for atheltics...you'll probably see that apathy turn to something else

[BleedOrange]

BGSU has had a distinctive culture of sports apathy for decades. It was very pronounced when I was there in the 80's. It seems that this culture has been passed down over time.

[Matty B]

I was there and liked what I saw

- Metheny and Fulcher looked great, play extremely well together and expect huge leaps for this backcourt tandem. Metheny reminds me a lot of Nick Dials from Akron and Fulcher is going to be tough to take off the floor

- Diggs and Plowden guarded each other most of the contest and competed against each other pretty hard. Plowden landed awkwardly on a fast break attempt in the 1st half and you could tell was a step slow the rest of the way. But both guys did their thing and look to be the leaders

- it's nice to have some bigs with different skill sets. Reece is very active and I think will quickly become a fan favorite. O'Neal is a load in the paint but gets up and down the floor pretty well. Etim immediately catches your eye in warm-ups with his raw athletic ability. Had a couple nice jump hooks from different angles. Still raw but a lot to like.

- Cam young is very effective when he sticks to doing Forward stuff. He needs to stop trying to do guard stuff immediately. Made good plays inside but a Few airballs + turnovers out on the perimeter.

- Curtis played on the same team as Metheny and Fulcher and was overshadowed as such, but he can flat out get to the rack when he wants to.

- Gordon and Mills were the guards opposite Metheny and Fulcher (Fields was also on this team but did not suit up). Nothing spectacular, look like rock solid backup MAC guards that can run the offense and hold their own defensively. I think the "Gordon should be exited" comments are a bit harsh. Gordon got knocked to the floor with no call a couple times, then got called for a few tick tack fouls shortly after and that clearly rattled him a bit, as it would anyone. I chalk it up to a rough day at the office and interested in seeing how he bounces back.

- Matiss went through the full warm-ups but did not play. Perhaps not quite 100% cleared for contact? Or maybe we are just being careful. Fields was not dressed nor did he go through warm-ups but was very vocal on the bench like an extra coach.