Looking over the MAC standings...

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:46 pm

Dan's winning % is around 54-55%...that's hardly the stuff of legends.

Beyond that it was built up by 2 big seasons, the last of which was 5 years ago...Lemme guess you're someone who tells us Brandon is good because of his winning % too huh?

I think Dan can be a good coach somewhere else, but it has been painfully obvious for the past few years that it will never happen again here. He needs a change of scenery, and we need a new face. I don't know who, but I don't really care either. At this point, we know Dan won't get it done, I'll take my chance with someone else. Perhaps somebody that could come up with a decent offensive scheme or hell, I don't know, teach his team how to freakin' REBOUND?

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:37 pm

hammb wrote:Dan's winning % is around 54-55%...that's hardly the stuff of legends.

Beyond that it was built up by 2 big seasons, the last of which was 5 years ago...Lemme guess you're someone who tells us Brandon is good because of his winning % too huh?

I think Dan can be a good coach somewhere else, but it has been painfully obvious for the past few years that it will never happen again here. He needs a change of scenery, and we need a new face. I don't know who, but I don't really care either. At this point, we know Dan won't get it done, I'll take my chance with someone else. Perhaps somebody that could come up with a decent offensive scheme or hell, I don't know, teach his team how to freakin' REBOUND?

Hammbone, it wasn't that long ago the you put up an "I'm excited" post on this forum. There's nothing like a few more wins to dampen the spirits, eh?

bobio · Post by **bobio** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:41 pm

I'm glad that you all support the team and are happy with the season to date. However, I don't think you will be feeling the same way once the conference games are in full swing. You all have seen so many terrible games that once we start barely beating cupcakes, you are thrilled with any win we can get. In other words, you are all now satisfied with mediocrity. Can't say I blame you given the last few seasons. However, B.G. seems to reward our coaches with a contract extension if we have a winning season. We cannot afford to let that happen again and resume the painful cycle. DD had alot to do with the schedule this year. The current A.D. is unhappy with the schedule and has heard many complaints about it. I would hope win or lose, DD will finally be gone after this season. B.G. owes that to the fans.

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:33 am

I understand everyone's long-term concerns and I respect them. Still, can we just enjoy the wins we have, hope for the best for the rest of the season, and deal with what happens when and as it happens? Please?

I'm not making a prediction or even expressing any kind of personal expectation, but I must say that if Dan does really turn this team around and demonstrates that it is a sustainable turnaround, some of you are really going to have egg on your face. Again, that is just an observation - please don't take it personally.

swinger5 · Post by **swinger5** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:04 am

My goodness!! You would think that we just lost again, and people are bitching. Everyone talks about how the team won't do anything in non-conference play and then they do, so now people need to start saying that we won't do anything in conference play. I don't buy the fact that no other D1 team schedules like this, because many top D1 teams do schedule middle of the pack teams and destroy them at home. Sometimes you need to schedule the lower teams to get them to play at their place. I certainly wouldn't have liked it if we scheduled like Toledo and only played one home game during the first semester. The fact is the team has won the games they have played up to this point, and still people are not satisfied. The more I read the posts on here, the more I want the team to win, not only for me to be happy, but to shut some people up on here.

Some on here just have nothing good to say about anything. Win or Lose, regardless of the sport.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:01 am

BleedOrange wrote:
hammb wrote:Dan's winning % is around 54-55%...that's hardly the stuff of legends.

Beyond that it was built up by 2 big seasons, the last of which was 5 years ago...Lemme guess you're someone who tells us Brandon is good because of his winning % too huh?

I think Dan can be a good coach somewhere else, but it has been painfully obvious for the past few years that it will never happen again here. He needs a change of scenery, and we need a new face. I don't know who, but I don't really care either. At this point, we know Dan won't get it done, I'll take my chance with someone else. Perhaps somebody that could come up with a decent offensive scheme or hell, I don't know, teach his team how to freakin' REBOUND?

Hammbone, it wasn't that long ago the you put up an "I'm excited" post on this forum. There's nothing like a few more wins to dampen the spirits, eh?

I'm still excited, because I think this team has some talent. I don't think they're a good team, but they're better than last year, and far more talented/athletic. That makes it a little more fun to watch. Unfortunately we still have no direction on offense and we still don't box out worth a crap (at least not in any of the home games). Those things have plagued Dan's teams for years and it's annoying as hell. Most of all I'm excited because I know next year we'll have a new coach.

I'm thrilled that we're winning. If we lost these games I'd be disgusted. I don't know who said that we didn't expect to win the OOC games, but if you dig up the scheduling thread, I think you'll find that everyone said this was a schedule we should dominate and was only created to save Dan's job.

This is pointless to argue. It's the same thing as the football forum 2 years ago. We've got the people that are willing to look beyond score to assess the team arguing against the people that think all is wonderful because we won. At this point we're better than the bulk of our competition. I hope that continues when we start to play some better teams, only time will tell.

swinger5 · Post by **swinger5** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:24 am

"Most of all I'm excited because I know next year we'll have a new coach".

Source or link?

CrazyFan · Post by **CrazyFan** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:49 am

swinger5 wrote:"Most of all I'm excited because I know next year we'll have a new coach".

Source or link?

www.dakichhater.com

www.negativenancy.com

factman · Post by **factman** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:34 am

Hammb might as well move to Toledo, because next year we will have articial turf (nexturf) in Perry Stadium and DD WILL be patrolling the sidelines as our head mens basketball coach with a multiple year contract!!
I have also started gathering bugs!!!

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:40 pm

factman wrote:Hammb might as well move to Toledo, because next year we will have articial turf (nexturf) in Perry Stadium and DD WILL be patrolling the sidelines as our head mens basketball coach with a multiple year contract!!
I have also started gathering bugs!!!

How do you KNOW that?

OSUFALCON · Post by **OSUFALCON** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:50 pm

hammb wrote:
BleedOrange wrote:
hammb wrote:Dan's winning % is around 54-55%...that's hardly the stuff of legends.

Beyond that it was built up by 2 big seasons, the last of which was 5 years ago...Lemme guess you're someone who tells us Brandon is good because of his winning % too huh?

I think Dan can be a good coach somewhere else, but it has been painfully obvious for the past few years that it will never happen again here. He needs a change of scenery, and we need a new face. I don't know who, but I don't really care either. At this point, we know Dan won't get it done, I'll take my chance with someone else. Perhaps somebody that could come up with a decent offensive scheme or hell, I don't know, teach his team how to freakin' REBOUND?

Hammbone, it wasn't that long ago the you put up an "I'm excited" post on this forum. There's nothing like a few more wins to dampen the spirits, eh?
I'm still excited, because I think this team has some talent. I don't think they're a good team, but they're better than last year, and far more talented/athletic. That makes it a little more fun to watch. Unfortunately we still have no direction on offense and we still don't box out worth a crap (at least not in any of the home games). Those things have plagued Dan's teams for years and it's annoying as hell. Most of all I'm excited because I know next year we'll have a new coach.

I'm thrilled that we're winning. If we lost these games I'd be disgusted. I don't know who said that we didn't expect to win the OOC games, but if you dig up the scheduling thread, I think you'll find that everyone said this was a schedule we should dominate and was only created to save Dan's job.

This is pointless to argue. It's the same thing as the football forum 2 years ago. We've got the people that are willing to look beyond score to assess the team arguing against the people that think all is wonderful because we won. At this point we're better than the bulk of our competition. I hope that continues when we start to play some better teams, only time will tell.

I'm sorry hammb but I've lost some respect for you. This is beginning to remind me of some OSU fans going after Coach Cooper. Yes he lost to Michigan 80% of the time but won 80% against other opponets. I don't understand this hate towards DD????

Sorry hammb I have a good source that tells me DD is over half way on wins from getting a new contract, if he wants it.

The MAC is way down this year. Akron, OU and Kent have some talent but none are unbeatable. Heck BG beat Kent on the road last year and thye were the best team.

BG will go 10-6 or 9-7 in conference play. DD has a shot at a 20 win season. If that isn't enough for BG fans then go become Duke fans.

Any 20 win season in BG is a good season.

This team can play but more important than that this team likes to play together. They have bought into the program and themselfs.

This will be a true test tonight.

San Diego Falcon · Post by **San Diego Falcon** » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:12 pm

BG will go 10-6 or 9-7 in conference play. DD has a shot at a 20 win season. If that isn't enough for BG fans then go become Duke fans.

Valid reasoning, but let's chat about that when/after that happens.

I don't understand people lambasting the OOC schedule. No, we're not playing top competition, but we're evidently playing teams that are at our level, for better or worse, given the close scores. I like the fact that 1) we're learning how to win close games and 2) we're learning to win on the road.

Now if MAC competition exceeds our OOC competition, perhaps none of that will matter, but let's just stay tuned and see what happens.

JWEIII · Post by **JWEIII** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:20 am

hammb wrote:Dan's winning % is around 54-55%...that's hardly the stuff of legends.

Where did you get that? The second highest winning percentage in school history is 54%?

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:46 am

JWEIII wrote:
hammb wrote:Dan's winning % is around 54-55%...that's hardly the stuff of legends.
Where did you get that? The second highest winning percentage in school history is 54%?

From the UWGB preview on BG's athletic website:

"BGSU Coach Dan Dakich is in his 10th season with the Falcons and was the second fastest men's basketball coach in school history to win 100 games. He is 152-125 (55.0) overall (second-best in BGSU history) and is 86-76 (53.0) in the MAC. With the win against Jacksonville State, he surpassed Bob Donewald to move into 10th place in overall victories by a MAC coach. He ranks 12th all-time in MAC history in league wins. BGSU is 35-7 at home against non-conference foes under Coach Dakich. His four 18+win seasons are tied for second most by a Falcon coach as he notched those in his first eight seasons after BGSU had posted just four 18+win seasons in the previous 14 seasons prior to his arrival. Since the 2001 season, BGSU is 32-3 when allowing 60 points or less, including 4-0 this season. With the defensive stop on the last play of the game at Marshall, BGSU is now 28-5 since the 2001-02 season when holding a one possession lead in the final minute of a game. "

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:09 am

JWEIII wrote:
hammb wrote:Dan's winning % is around 54-55%...that's hardly the stuff of legends.
Where did you get that? The second highest winning percentage in school history is 54%?

bgsufalcons.com

He was 143-122 (54.1%) coming into the year. Throw a 9-4 start onto it and it becomes 152-126 (54.6%).

Stats are fun. Yeah, if you love Dan it's easy to say he's got the 2nd best winning percentage in our history. However, look at the stats, it's pretty clear that BG's basketball history is not the greatest ever. When we have been successful in the past it was during the 20 year tenure of the #1 winning percentage coach in our history (Harold Anderson; 362-185 66.1%).

Personally, I don't accept mediocrity as the best we can do. Dan is, in my opinion, an average to slightly above average coach. You give him the perfect group of kids and he'll win you 20-25 games. However, he is so stubborn and unwilling to adapt his methods that if he doesn't have the perfect mix of talent the team will be mediocre or worse. Unfortunately, at the level we play in it is not in our best interest to be so static. We cannot just go out and handpick the kids we want. Like it or not, we get the leftovers when the big boys are done. If we are limiting ourselves to only those that fit into Dan's ideals we limit that potential player pool even further. It is my opinion that at this level you must recruit the best talent you can get, then adapt your game (at least in some degree) to that talent. You also adapt your coaching style, at least on some level, to the personalities of that talent. Some kids respond great to yelling & screaming, others don't. To be a truly great coach you must be able to adapt and find what works with all sorts of varying personalities.

Dan strikes me as too stubborn in his ways to ever become chameleon enough to be a truly great coach. I'd rather not give a long extension to a slightly better than average coach, but that's just me.