Coach Orr Pros and Cons

[BleedOrange]

What fascinates me is that Orr was more successful at Seton Hall than he has been at BG. Jim Larranaga was vastly more successful at George Mason then at BG and is now a head coach in the ACC. Now, why is this? Also, the best BG teams that we've seen since the early 80's were coached by DD1. What's more, we have have very few, if any, really terrible seasons. IMHO, all three of these guys are good Division 1 coaches worthy of our respect.

So, we've had three proven coaches come here and fall flat. Is it just them? Could this consistent mediocrity be based in part on the overall university environment? Perhaps the issue is bigger than the coaches themselves? Just a thought.

...Anderson Arena was a complete drag on the program. The last 5 years of Anderson recruits were coming to a dilapidated old building with 1000 people in attendance...good luck recruiting to that.

I'm fine with giving Orr a few more years to see how he can recruit to the Stroh Center.

Anderson Arena was part of a larger overall problem, which includes a marginal supportive university environment, a student culture of blind apathy, antipathy among the BG community, etc. Stroh does improve the situation.

Orr is on contract through thru 2013-14. You're right, maybe we'll see a bump in recruiting over the next few years.

[Globetrotter]

I dont think recruiting is a huge issue actually. Except that we don't seem to be recruiting outside shooters. For me its the others things that have not improved over the last 5 years.

[FalconTurf]

The biggest Pro IMO is that Coach Orr will never embarrass BGSU - he's a high quality person.

He also doesn't seem to look the other way and keep the problem child to get few more wins.

This is the quality we want at BGSU and I root for this kind of man to win.

I want to see NCAA appearances and wins but not at the expense of the pride we have in doing things right.

[Globetrotter]

The biggest Pro IMO is that Coach Orr will never embarrass BGSU - he's a high quality person.

He also doesn't seem to look the other way and keep the problem child to get few more wins.

This is the quality we want at BGSU and I root for this kind of man to win.

I want to see NCAA appearances and wins but not at the expense of the pride we have in doing things right.

I am centered more in reality. JK.

I do agree with you, but I think you are overstating the situation. You can have both. It's not as if every coach who wins does so by sacrificing the schools image.

[MacGuy]

What fascinates me is that Orr was more successful at Seton Hall than he has been at BG. Jim Larranaga was vastly more successful at George Mason then at BG and is now a head coach in the ACC. Now, why is this? Also, the best BG teams that we've seen since the early 80's were coached by DD1. What's more, we have have very few, if any, really terrible seasons. IMHO, all three of these guys are good Division 1 coaches worthy of our respect.

So, we've had three proven coaches come here and fall flat. Is it just them? Could this consistent mediocrity be based in part on the overall university environment? Perhaps the issue is bigger than the coaches themselves? Just a thought.

...Anderson Arena was a complete drag on the program. The last 5 years of Anderson recruits were coming to a dilapidated old building with 1000 people in attendance...good luck recruiting to that.

I'm fine with giving Orr a few more years to see how he can recruit to the Stroh Center.

Anderson Arena was part of a larger overall problem, which includes a marginal supportive university environment, a student culture of blind apathy, antipathy among the BG community, etc. Stroh does improve the situation.

Orr is on contract through thru 2013-14. You're right, maybe we'll see a bump in recruiting over the next few years.

I was hoping for better attendance this year. A brand new arena, a very competitive team, a 15-3 home record and an average attendance of 2,147. The last 3 years at Anderson we averaged about 1,700. I don't consider an increase of 400 to be acceptable.

[FalconTurf]

The biggest Pro IMO is that Coach Orr will never embarrass BGSU - he's a high quality person.

He also doesn't seem to look the other way and keep the problem child to get few more wins.

This is the quality we want at BGSU and I root for this kind of man to win.

I want to see NCAA appearances and wins but not at the expense of the pride we have in doing things right.

I am centered more in reality. JK.

I do agree with you, but I think you are overstating the situation. You can have both. It's not as if every coach who wins does so by sacrificing the schools image.

I simply stated my pro or pro's. Never said you have to cheat to win but I like quality people running the program and that is why I'm rooting for Coach Orr to do well.

[FalconTurf]

What fascinates me is that Orr was more successful at Seton Hall than he has been at BG. Jim Larranaga was vastly more successful at George Mason then at BG and is now a head coach in the ACC. Now, why is this? Also, the best BG teams that we've seen since the early 80's were coached by DD1. What's more, we have have very few, if any, really terrible seasons. IMHO, all three of these guys are good Division 1 coaches worthy of our respect.

So, we've had three proven coaches come here and fall flat. Is it just them? Could this consistent mediocrity be based in part on the overall university environment? Perhaps the issue is bigger than the coaches themselves? Just a thought.

...Anderson Arena was a complete drag on the program. The last 5 years of Anderson recruits were coming to a dilapidated old building with 1000 people in attendance...good luck recruiting to that.

I'm fine with giving Orr a few more years to see how he can recruit to the Stroh Center.

Anderson Arena was part of a larger overall problem, which includes a marginal supportive university environment, a student culture of blind apathy, antipathy among the BG community, etc. Stroh does improve the situation.

Orr is on contract through thru 2013-14. You're right, maybe we'll see a bump in recruiting over the next few years.

I was hoping for better attendance this year. A brand new arena, a very competitive team, a 15-3 home record and an average attendance of 2,147. The last 3 years at Anderson we averaged about 1,700. I don't consider an increase of 400 to be acceptable.

It would be interesting to make a comparison of the marketing money spent per ticket sold between Toledo and BG. They are always running TV adds and rarely does BG. I think the department hosted pretty good events (video, in-game promotions, winning home record, etc.) but they seem to fail to send out invitations. They rely too much on e-mails to those of us already attending or associated with BG and not enough time searching for new ticket sales. The local support has dried up and needs to be renewed with marketing inside and outside Wood County.

[Globetrotter]

The biggest Pro IMO is that Coach Orr will never embarrass BGSU - he's a high quality person.

He also doesn't seem to look the other way and keep the problem child to get few more wins.

This is the quality we want at BGSU and I root for this kind of man to win.

I want to see NCAA appearances and wins but not at the expense of the pride we have in doing things right.

I am centered more in reality. JK.

I do agree with you, but I think you are overstating the situation. You can have both. It's not as if every coach who wins does so by sacrificing the schools image.

I simply stated my pro or pro's. Never said you have to cheat to win but I like quality people running the program and that is why I'm rooting for Coach Orr to do well.

The best case scenario would be that he fixes all of these issues and we win the MAC and go to the final four like Butler and VCU.

[Globetrotter]

What fascinates me is that Orr was more successful at Seton Hall than he has been at BG. Jim Larranaga was vastly more successful at George Mason then at BG and is now a head coach in the ACC. Now, why is this? Also, the best BG teams that we've seen since the early 80's were coached by DD1. What's more, we have have very few, if any, really terrible seasons. IMHO, all three of these guys are good Division 1 coaches worthy of our respect.

So, we've had three proven coaches come here and fall flat. Is it just them? Could this consistent mediocrity be based in part on the overall university environment? Perhaps the issue is bigger than the coaches themselves? Just a thought.

...Anderson Arena was a complete drag on the program. The last 5 years of Anderson recruits were coming to a dilapidated old building with 1000 people in attendance...good luck recruiting to that.

I'm fine with giving Orr a few more years to see how he can recruit to the Stroh Center.

Anderson Arena was part of a larger overall problem, which includes a marginal supportive university environment, a student culture of blind apathy, antipathy among the BG community, etc. Stroh does improve the situation.

Orr is on contract through thru 2013-14. You're right, maybe we'll see a bump in recruiting over the next few years.

I was hoping for better attendance this year. A brand new arena, a very competitive team, a 15-3 home record and an average attendance of 2,147. The last 3 years at Anderson we averaged about 1,700. I don't consider an increase of 400 to be acceptable.

It would be interesting to make a comparison of the marketing money spent per ticket sold between Toledo and BG. They are always running TV adds and rarely does BG. I think the department hosted pretty good events (video, in-game promotions, winning home record, etc.) but they seem to fail to send out invitations. They rely too much on e-mails to those of us already attending or associated with BG and not enough time searching for new ticket sales. The local support has dried up and needs to be renewed with marketing inside and outside Wood County.

I agree with all of that. You would think they could get some of the NWO crowd.

[Falconfreak90]

Remember what Bill Frack said? If Butler and Gonzaga can do it so can Bowling Green. Now those expectations might be too high but I like his way of thinking. Beat Buffalo!!!

[HoopsFan]

Ya know, it may be that the Stroh Center "only" drew 400 more fans per game, but what about the revenue? AA tix prices were pretty low vs. the "all seats reserved" pricing of the SC.

To the topic, I'm ambivalent about Orr. He hasn't done anything to distinguish himself, but on the other hand, he hasn't done anything to dismiss him. I would be shocked if he's shown the door before the end of his contract, although I thought he seemed to be under a lot of pressure to produce a month ago. A 16-15 campaign will probably keep his job.

HoopsFan

[Globetrotter]

Gotta add our defense as a pro.

And our failure to create a buzz amongst students as a con.

[BGWriter]

What fascinates me is that Orr was more successful at Seton Hall than he has been at BG. Jim Larranaga was vastly more successful at George Mason then at BG and is now a head coach in the ACC. Now, why is this? Also, the best BG teams that we've seen since the early 80's were coached by DD1. What's more, we have have very few, if any, really terrible seasons. IMHO, all three of these guys are good Division 1 coaches worthy of our respect.

So, we've had three proven coaches come here and fall flat. Is it just them? Could this consistent mediocrity be based in part on the overall university environment? Perhaps the issue is bigger than the coaches themselves? Just a thought.

...Anderson Arena was a complete drag on the program. The last 5 years of Anderson recruits were coming to a dilapidated old building with 1000 people in attendance...good luck recruiting to that.

I'm fine with giving Orr a few more years to see how he can recruit to the Stroh Center.

Anderson Arena was part of a larger overall problem, which includes a marginal supportive university environment, a student culture of blind apathy, antipathy among the BG community, etc. Stroh does improve the situation.

Orr is on contract through thru 2013-14. You're right, maybe we'll see a bump in recruiting over the next few years.

I was hoping for better attendance this year. A brand new arena, a very competitive team, a 15-3 home record and an average attendance of 2,147. The last 3 years at Anderson we averaged about 1,700. I don't consider an increase of 400 to be acceptable.

You have to walk before you can run. That 400 more butts in the seats is actually an increase of about 23 percent. For one year: that's damn good.

The problem at BG for years and years has been one of a culture of apathy that begins with not having the facilities to recruit against rival league schools, and then moves on to getting better recruits in the building, winning more games, building more interest and, after a few years of success, a complete cultural change.

BG basketball now has the money to compete at a much higher level among mid major schools. Right now, I believe they are under achieving, and recruiting and coaching are a big part of that.

There is no reason BG can't bring in a bigger "name" coach and get this turned completely around. With basketball, it can happen in a hurry, as Curt Miller has shown, and it can happen at a place like BG.

Of course, the impetus to get all this moving in the right direction has to come from the athletic director with the support of the Board of Trustees.

If they would truly put forth a plan to upgrade BG's men's basketball, it could be done in a relatively short time. It just takes the right hire.

Get the right man in place, with these facilities and the financial backing the program now has, and there's no reason BG can't get back to the NCAA tourney and get students excited about the program again.

[Globetrotter]

What fascinates me is that Orr was more successful at Seton Hall than he has been at BG. Jim Larranaga was vastly more successful at George Mason then at BG and is now a head coach in the ACC. Now, why is this? Also, the best BG teams that we've seen since the early 80's were coached by DD1. What's more, we have have very few, if any, really terrible seasons. IMHO, all three of these guys are good Division 1 coaches worthy of our respect.

So, we've had three proven coaches come here and fall flat. Is it just them? Could this consistent mediocrity be based in part on the overall university environment? Perhaps the issue is bigger than the coaches themselves? Just a thought.

...Anderson Arena was a complete drag on the program. The last 5 years of Anderson recruits were coming to a dilapidated old building with 1000 people in attendance...good luck recruiting to that.

I'm fine with giving Orr a few more years to see how he can recruit to the Stroh Center.

Anderson Arena was part of a larger overall problem, which includes a marginal supportive university environment, a student culture of blind apathy, antipathy among the BG community, etc. Stroh does improve the situation.

Orr is on contract through thru 2013-14. You're right, maybe we'll see a bump in recruiting over the next few years.

I was hoping for better attendance this year. A brand new arena, a very competitive team, a 15-3 home record and an average attendance of 2,147. The last 3 years at Anderson we averaged about 1,700. I don't consider an increase of 400 to be acceptable.

You have to walk before you can run. That 400 more butts in the seats is actually an increase of about 23 percent. For one year: that's damn good.

The problem at BG for years and years has been one of a culture of apathy that begins with not having the facilities to recruit against rival league schools, and then moves on to getting better recruits in the building, winning more games, building more interest and, after a few years of success, a complete cultural change.

BG basketball now has the money to compete at a much higher level among mid major schools. Right now, I believe they are under achieving, and recruiting and coaching are a big part of that.

There is no reason BG can't bring in a bigger "name" coach and get this turned completely around. With basketball, it can happen in a hurry, as Curt Miller has shown, and it can happen at a place like BG.

Of course, the impetus to get all this moving in the right direction has to come from the athletic director with the support of the Board of Trustees.

If they would truly put forth a plan to upgrade BG's men's basketball, it could be done in a relatively short time. It just takes the right hire.

Get the right man in place, with these facilities and the financial backing the program now has, and there's no reason BG can't get back to the NCAA tourney and get students excited about the program again.

We had all of those things from 98-2003 and we seemed to be able to recruit fine.

[BGWriter]

What fascinates me is that Orr was more successful at Seton Hall than he has been at BG. Jim Larranaga was vastly more successful at George Mason then at BG and is now a head coach in the ACC. Now, why is this? Also, the best BG teams that we've seen since the early 80's were coached by DD1. What's more, we have have very few, if any, really terrible seasons. IMHO, all three of these guys are good Division 1 coaches worthy of our respect.

So, we've had three proven coaches come here and fall flat. Is it just them? Could this consistent mediocrity be based in part on the overall university environment? Perhaps the issue is bigger than the coaches themselves? Just a thought.

...Anderson Arena was a complete drag on the program. The last 5 years of Anderson recruits were coming to a dilapidated old building with 1000 people in attendance...good luck recruiting to that.

I'm fine with giving Orr a few more years to see how he can recruit to the Stroh Center.

Anderson Arena was part of a larger overall problem, which includes a marginal supportive university environment, a student culture of blind apathy, antipathy among the BG community, etc. Stroh does improve the situation.

Orr is on contract through thru 2013-14. You're right, maybe we'll see a bump in recruiting over the next few years.

I was hoping for better attendance this year. A brand new arena, a very competitive team, a 15-3 home record and an average attendance of 2,147. The last 3 years at Anderson we averaged about 1,700. I don't consider an increase of 400 to be acceptable.

You have to walk before you can run. That 400 more butts in the seats is actually an increase of about 23 percent. For one year: that's damn good.

The problem at BG for years and years has been one of a culture of apathy that begins with not having the facilities to recruit against rival league schools, and then moves on to getting better recruits in the building, winning more games, building more interest and, after a few years of success, a complete cultural change.

BG basketball now has the money to compete at a much higher level among mid major schools. Right now, I believe they are under achieving, and recruiting and coaching are a big part of that.

There is no reason BG can't bring in a bigger "name" coach and get this turned completely around. With basketball, it can happen in a hurry, as Curt Miller has shown, and it can happen at a place like BG.

Of course, the impetus to get all this moving in the right direction has to come from the athletic director with the support of the Board of Trustees.

If they would truly put forth a plan to upgrade BG's men's basketball, it could be done in a relatively short time. It just takes the right hire.

Get the right man in place, with these facilities and the financial backing the program now has, and there's no reason BG can't get back to the NCAA tourney and get students excited about the program again.

We had all of those things from 98-2003 and we seemed to be able to recruit fine.

I wasn't aware that BG went to the NCAA tournament during that time. In fact, BG never got beyond the first round of the MAC tournament the two years they had decent teams, including winning the East one season.

BG can do better now -- but they have to have an administration willing to take that next step.