UT-BGSU Game Thread 2/11 from Savage

OptionQB · Post by **OptionQB** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:30 pm

Akron up 5 in Ypsi . . . 2:00 and change on the clock

Akron wins by 5

OptionQB · Post by **OptionQB** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:41 pm

Dan (combining a few quotes) and pretty close to "We have a few guys that haven't gotten any better and I've never had to address that . . . You can't always have good nights from Floyd, (backed off of Moten) Samarco, Soler and Wright and the other guys have to step up"

Something to the effect of "We have a few guys that need to be in the game when Steve and Martin are in foul trouble but I couldn't trust them"

Pretty harsh comments for a few (Moten?, Clements?) and no blame for one of the most idiotic technicals that you'll see (Floyd) that completely changed the game.

Those may not be exact word-for-word, but he did say everything that is in quotes

OSUFALCON · Post by **OSUFALCON** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:57 pm

Floyd hit some big shots but zero assist and five turnovers. I think that says it all when you are talking about our starting point guard.

commonsense · Post by **commonsense** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:03 pm

OSUFALCON wrote:Floyd hit some big shots but zero assist and five turnovers. I think that says it all when you are talking about our starting point guard.

Welll the back up point guard didnt give much of a contribution. 12min, 5 fouls, no points, no assists. How can you sit Floyd to put this in.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:07 pm

And Wright, who should be at point, was in foul trouble. I guess its the same story, we aren't very good at PG, and you can't hide it every night.

As for "guys haven't gotten any better," do you think he was referring to Moten and Clements? That would be logical, I guess, but that kind of talk makes me worry, stick around wise.

OptionQB · Post by **OptionQB** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 10:13 pm

Orangeandbrown, that's exactly what I was thinking . . . Maybe they are just too athletic for us in practice? Who knows? This is turning into a very frustrating season awfully quick.

Commonsense, good point about Moon's (lack of) production tonight as well. Floyd came up with 5 steals on D, but was consistently beaten off the dribble all night long.

It's too bad Miller and Sullivan aren't ball handlers either.

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Sat Feb 11, 2006 11:12 pm

OptionQB wrote:Orangeandbrown, that's exactly what I was thinking . . . Maybe they are just too athletic for us in practice? Who knows? This is turning into a very frustrating season awfully quick.

Commonsense, good point about Moon's (lack of) production tonight as well. Floyd came up with 5 steals on D, but was consistently beaten off the dribble all night long.

It's too bad Miller and Sullivan aren't ball handlers either.

Really a pretty entertaining game. Falcons played awfully hard-bodies and occasionally blood, flying everywhere. I think the two keys were Amos' D on Samarco in second half and Floyd's T. I was watching UT upcourt ball and missed whatever happened with Floyd but he seemed pretty ticked.

I thought Samarco would get 30 the way he started-we didn't get to see that stroke in the first game but boy is he smooth. Anyway great effort for the Falcons and a hard earned win for the Rockets. Good luck the rest of the way, especially at OU!

BGSU33 · Post by **BGSU33** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:18 am

The foul trouble really hurt us down the stretch, especially with Samarco being strapped with four fouls. I would have brought him in sooner as you could see Toledo regaining the momentum. Having him sit on the bench is never good for our offense. Overall, it was a competitive game but there was way too much fouling. The game seemed to move at a snail's pace.

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 12:42 am

Why do people continue to say that Wright should be at point? He shouldn't be. He was given the opportunity to do so once in his career and showed that he couldn't handle it. He couldn't get it past half court without throwing the ball away or getting it stolen.

Once a person puts pressure on him he gets nervous and loses all concentration on what a point guard should be doing which is setting up the offense. Plus Wright wants to be a scorer. He does not have the mentality to run an offense. A pg looks for other people to score and sets them up. Wright wants to be the number one scoring option and that is not what a point guard is about.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:00 am

Tricky, those are all valid points. Even with all that, I think he's better than anything we have, and our offense has actually showed some flow when he was at PG.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 2:07 pm

orangeandbrown wrote:Tricky, those are all valid points. Even with all that, I think he's better than anything we have, and our offense has actually showed some flow when he was at PG.

That's pretty much all you can say. Wright is no star at the point, but he's far and away the best we've got. Moon is absolutely worthless on offense and Floyd finally starts to look like a D1 player when you take him away from the PG spot.

We don't have a true PG, but Wright is semi effective in that role. Yes, he turns the ball over a lot, but so do Moon & Floyd. Wright, OTOH, actually gives you a triple threat. He has the ability to attack or shoot. He also sees the floor better than the other guys, IMO. He turns the ball over by getting his pocket picked, which sucks, but he also sets up our other players for a lot more easy baskets than Floyd or Moon ever do.

2 years ago I was saying that Wright shouldn't be a PG, and he probably still shouldn't be. Unfortunately, it's pretty apparent, to me, that our offense flows a lot better with Wright at the point. Floyd actually does a very good job cutting to the basket without the ball, and Wright is the only guy who has shown the ability to consistently make the necessary pass to get the easy bucket.

commonsense · Post by **commonsense** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 4:18 pm

hammb wrote:
orangeandbrown wrote:Tricky, those are all valid points. Even with all that, I think he's better than anything we have, and our offense has actually showed some flow when he was at PG.
That's pretty much all you can say. Wright is no star at the point, but he's far and away the best we've got. Moon is absolutely worthless on offense and Floyd finally starts to look like a D1 player when you take him away from the PG spot.

We don't have a true PG, but Wright is semi effective in that role. Yes, he turns the ball over a lot, but so do Moon & Floyd. Wright, OTOH, actually gives you a triple threat. He has the ability to attack or shoot. He also sees the floor better than the other guys, IMO. He turns the ball over by getting his pocket picked, which sucks, but he also sets up our other players for a lot more easy baskets than Floyd or Moon ever do.

2 years ago I was saying that Wright shouldn't be a PG, and he probably still shouldn't be. Unfortunately, it's pretty apparent, to me, that our offense flows a lot better with Wright at the point. Floyd actually does a very good job cutting to the basket without the ball, and Wright is the only guy who has shown the ability to consistently make the necessary pass to get the easy bucket.

This may be hard for some people to take, but Floyd needs to be on the floor. He takes alot of heat on this board, but realisticly is a top player on our team. He gets criticized for being a bad shooter, but somehow his percentages are better than Samarco and Wright (who along with floyd take a decent number of shots). He gets criticized for his lack of defense, but none of the other guards play defense either (dont consider moon fouling alot good defense. his man doesnt score but it is an illusion as it was last night and pretty much all season). There is talk that Floyd cant see the floor. A year ago he lead the MAC in assists. A player doesn't lose court vision in a year. Has anyone thought that between Samarco shooting 41%, Wright shooting 39% Marschall at 41% and Lefeld at 48% that it is tougher to get an assist? As of right now, Samarco is the only player on the team you can say is definitively better than Floyd. Everyone else I am not so sure.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sun Feb 12, 2006 9:15 pm

commonsense wrote:
This may be hard for some people to take, but Floyd needs to be on the floor. He takes alot of heat on this board, but realisticly is a top player on our team. He gets criticized for being a bad shooter, but somehow his percentages are better than Samarco and Wright (who along with floyd take a decent number of shots). He gets criticized for his lack of defense, but none of the other guards play defense either (dont consider moon fouling alot good defense. his man doesnt score but it is an illusion as it was last night and pretty much all season). There is talk that Floyd cant see the floor. A year ago he lead the MAC in assists. A player doesn't lose court vision in a year. Has anyone thought that between Samarco shooting 41%, Wright shooting 39% Marschall at 41% and Lefeld at 48% that it is tougher to get an assist? As of right now, Samarco is the only player on the team you can say is definitively better than Floyd. Everyone else I am not so sure.

I'm sorry man, but I gotta disagree. Floyd is okay on offense, especially if the ball isn't in his hands, but he's among the worst defensive players I've ever seen. He's definitely the worst on the ball defender on this team, and that's saying something.

As for his court vision he never had it last year either. He racked up assists the same way he gets most of his this year by passing to the open man for jump shots. To me those are worthless assists. Anyone can rotate the ball to Samarco for 3 or Reimold/Almanson for a jump shot. A PG with good court vision will hit the guys as they cut to the basket for an easy bucket. Floyd just doesn't create offense with the ball in his hands, he also had a very . However, Wright has shown the ability to find the cutting man and get an easy bucket. Wright can also drive and kick it out. Anyone who has watched the team this year cannot deny that the offense seems to have more flow when Floyd is not at the point. That's especially true because Floyd actually has offensive value by cutting to the basket.

As for our other guys' defense, I do think Moon is a pretty good defender. Wright is nothing special, but they're all vastly superior to Floyd. There is flat out not a player in this conference that Floyd can guard in man defense.

commonsense · Post by **commonsense** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:23 am

hammb, all that you say is true. Especially about on the ball defense. I will probably never agree that our other guards play that great of defense though. I just think it is funny that after every game Floyd gets blamed for this and that, when we have other problems, such as being out rebounded in every MAC game except the game that was just played.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Mon Feb 13, 2006 7:47 am

Also true, commonsense. We have the worst rebounding team in the MAC statistically.