Doubleheader on Saturday

commonsense · Post by **commonsense** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 8:46 pm

Bleeding Orange wrote:
hammb wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote: There is quite a bit positive going on - It is simply a matter of whether or not you choose to recognize it.

The problem with all of this garbage being spewn about of late is that it all has to do with what takes place bewteen the lines.
So it has gotten to the point where the best way to defend the staff is to talk about academics? I'm sorry, but that's a pretty good sign that we have major problems if you ask me. Believe it or not there are plenty of coaches out there who can have their teams excel in both aspects of collegiate athletics.

I refuse to accept mediocrity (or worse) on the court/field simply because they "graduate their players." As I mentioned in an earlier thread, our graduation rates are going to start going to hell real soon as well. These transfers all count against our graduation rates, don't forget.
I am so done with this sh*t. Hammb, with all due respect, this isn't an either or argument. Yes, the transfers will hurt us, but there have not been that many of them, and they are not likely to continue.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, this stuff has gotten out of hand. But continue calling me names if you must...

Baaaaaa

To say there has not been that many transfers is far from the truth. I would say that since the recruiting class of 2001 over half the kids that have came in have left. What has happened that would make you think this would stop.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:38 pm

BG 76 -- Wright State 62

*sigh*

Red Wing Fan · Post by **Red Wing Fan** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 10:24 pm

Can anyone list the players that have left the program - starting with Crawford?
I can remember Chris Hobson,Austin Montgomery, Issac Rosefelt, Ofcourse, Lewis and the kid that came from the same high school as Lewis
( can't think of his name right now ) and Jabari Mattox, who left the team during his senior year. And that guard from West Virginia. Who else? Oh yes, I forgot Vandemier - I really liked him.
And for whoever thinks winning isn't important - talk to Stan Joplin!!!!! In Division 1 College sports winning is VERY important. That's why coaches get paid good money - to win. In order to fill up the seats with season ticket holders, bring in revenue - - - they have to win. It's all about winning. The fact that talented kids get a free education to prepare themselves for life after Basketball is a big plus for them.
That's why so many coaches are looking for jobs every year and so many good coaches are being asked to come to schools with a lot of losses. It's all about winning. Period!!!!!!!

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:57 am

Bleeding Orange wrote:
I am so done with this sh*t. Hammb, with all due respect, this isn't an either or argument. Yes, the transfers will hurt us, but there have not been that many of them, and they are not likely to continue.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, this stuff has gotten out of hand. But continue calling me names if you must...

Baaaaaa

I'm a little drunk right now, but I re-read my post and I didn't see where I called you any names. I just pointed out that that there is likely a problem with our program when the best way to defend thme has become graudation rates. Yes, it's important, but it's not a reason to keep a coach around, IMO. There are plenty of coaches throughout the country that both win and graduate players.

As for the transfers, I'm sorry, you're wrong. There have been a lot of them. A LOT. Losing Erik Crawford, Raheem Moss, Ronald Lewis, Austin Montgomery, Scott Vanermeer, Chris Hobson, and Isaac Rosefelt all in the past 4 years or so qualifies as a lot to me. Yes, kids transfer all the time, but that is a lot for any one school. As for their likelihood of continuing, I hope you're right. At this point I'm resigned to the fact that there is a problem causing these kids to leave, and until we fix whatever that is we're going to continue losing kids.

I think Dan's a good guy, and I hate to run him off, but he must fix this program if he wants to stay. He wa s a pretty good coach here for his first 4 yeras, but his last 4 years have been abysmal. Rebuilding years are normal. 4-5 of them in a row is not...

Bleeding Orange · Post by **Bleeding Orange** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 2:29 am

hammb wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote:
I am so done with this sh*t. Hammb, with all due respect, this isn't an either or argument. Yes, the transfers will hurt us, but there have not been that many of them, and they are not likely to continue.

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, this stuff has gotten out of hand. But continue calling me names if you must...

Baaaaaa
I'm a little drunk right now, but I re-read my post and I didn't see where I called you any names. I just pointed out that that there is likely a problem with our program when the best way to defend thme has become graudation rates. Yes, it's important, but it's not a reason to keep a coach around, IMO. There are plenty of coaches throughout the country that both win and graduate players.

Hammb - the comments about the name-calling were not directed at you by any means. I appologize for the confusion. Please check your PM's.

orangeandbrown · Post by **orangeandbrown** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:55 am

A Coach should be able to win and graduate players in the MAC.

BleedOrange · Post by **BleedOrange** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:12 pm

Tricky_Falcon wrote:I think some of these guys are Toledo/OU fans pretending to be BG fans. Some of you are unbelievable give me a break. A lot of people on here aren't happy unless they are trashing the program. I can understand being disappointed but geez some of you go overboard.

I've been among the critics. Just so you and others know where I'm coming from...I've been a very intense follower of BG hoops since the late 70's. Honestly, there might not be a person on the face of the earth with a stronger emotional attachment to BG hoops than me (perhaps including DD himself). Seriously. (Some of my friends consider it a little odd, but that's OK.) When I criticize the program and its lack of direction, it's because I care and that I take the program's fortunes in a personal way.

Why do I point this out? Well, I believe that the other critics share my mindset. The criticism is founded in concern for the program, and a shared unwillingness to accept the perpetual failure that we're currently seeing. It's hard to just sit back and watch a failing system. It is not "negativity". Although some of it has been harsh, overall it has been carefully considered and fair.

commonsense · Post by **commonsense** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 1:50 pm

"As for the transfers, I'm sorry, you're wrong. There have been a lot of them. A LOT. Losing Erik Crawford, Raheem Moss, Ronald Lewis, Austin Montgomery, Scott Vanermeer, Chris Hobson, and Isaac Rosefelt all in the past 4 years or so qualifies as a lot to me."

That is not a lot Hammb! Now throw in Kris Wilson, Nick Wilson, Jeremy Holland, and Reggie Harwell transferring, Jabari Mattox, Cole Magner, and Keon Newson all quitting midseason, and there still haven't been that many! Sorry Hammb, but I am going to have to agree with Bleeding Orange on this one. Also, he makes another great point when he says the transfers are not likely to continue. We have only lost two scholarship players since the start of school this year, and we are having a great season. Why would anybody leave??

clevelandfalcon · Post by **clevelandfalcon** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:05 pm

Bleeding Orange wrote:
clevelandfalcon wrote:
Well, I guess that's your opinion. But, please tell me what is so positive to talk about in terms of the men's basketball program right now? I would love to hear it. There is a big difference between being positive and delusional.

A big difference.

And I apologize for being so "negative." Next time I'll just be like many of the people in here and act like nothing is wrong. I guess it's speak no evil, hear no evil, see no evil. Good little sheep you are....
There is quite a bit positive going on - It is simply a matter of whether or not you choose to recognize it.

The problem with all of this garbage being spewn about of late is that it all has to do with what takes place bewteen the lines. This is not a professional sport, and there is much more to college basketball than the box score and win loss record. Yeah, I know, you don't give a sh*t, but a lot of us around here do, a lot of us are proud of what is taking place (and not taking place) off the court and in the classroom, and a lot of us are getting sick and tired of people like you coming in here and cheapening the experience of being a fan of Bowling Green State University Athletics by forgetting an entire half of the equation.

And don't call me a sheep. Your mental maturity is quite evident.

The problem is people like you who are clueless, that's all.

My mental maturity? Oh, about as much maturity as your post below....

There is a big difference between voicing an opinion and being negative. On the same topic. Over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. And over. Again.

Thanks for the wisdom, hypocrite.

clevelandfalcon · Post by **clevelandfalcon** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:07 pm

hammb wrote:
Bleeding Orange wrote: There is quite a bit positive going on - It is simply a matter of whether or not you choose to recognize it.

The problem with all of this garbage being spewn about of late is that it all has to do with what takes place bewteen the lines.
So it has gotten to the point where the best way to defend the staff is to talk about academics? I'm sorry, but that's a pretty good sign that we have major problems if you ask me. Believe it or not there are plenty of coaches out there who can have their teams excel in both aspects of collegiate athletics.

I refuse to accept mediocrity (or worse) on the court/field simply because they "graduate their players." As I mentioned in an earlier thread, our graduation rates are going to start going to hell real soon as well. These transfers all count against our graduation rates, don't forget.

Exactly my point!

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:21 pm

Funny, I thought you went to college to get a degree.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:27 pm

If that is all your getting out of college, then your missing out.

BGDrew · Post by **BGDrew** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:02 pm

Well there is the drinking. But evidently if you're part of the basketball team you pretty much get told how bad you are. It gets old, real old.

ziggy · Post by **ziggy** » Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:16 pm

coach Dan trully cares about his players, his staff, his family and his community! I am proud that he is the coach at BGSU and hope he stays here for many years! Support the team they are working hard, will not give up and I won't be surprised if they pull an upset and get to Cleveland this year.

bgsufalcon24 · Post by **bgsufalcon24** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:49 am

Well, it looked like I was pretty much right on with my predictions for tripleheader weekend, in fact, our guys got spanked worse than I could have ever imagined in my wildest dreams. Of course, by mentioning this mere truth I guess I'm likely to be labeled a UT or Ohio fan.

I think it's time people stopped being so damn defensive when talking about our teams. Yes its great that we graduate our players, yes its great that our coaches like Dan Dakich care about molding our guys into true men and toward success for the rest of their lives, yes its great that we have loyal fans. But 20-point losses to nobody teams like Wright State? That has to stop. No ifs, ands, or buts around it, that has to stop.

Doubleheader on Saturday

Starting with Eric Crawford - - - - -