BG/Akron...

[It's the Journey...]

I was surprised Stone wasn't given a more careful look when Dakich was shown the door. Wasn't Store supposed to have been the "recruiter" on staff? I seemed to me that the talent was there, just never developed. I don't know if he is still in that role under Orr.

[BGSUFanatic7]

Well it's partly because Orr refuses to use Sealey at the 3, therefore 10 minutes per continue to be wasted on Erger. Rather than having Holmes back up both Calhoun and Black, Orr has a specific guy go in to replace each guy. It's like a substitution pattern you would use when playing video games. Holmes only shot at 25 minutes in Cam Black gets 2 fouls in the 1st half. Also, it looks as if we basically won't see Henderson again until next year, when we will need him to shoot 10 plus times a game to score 50 points per game. #FireOrr

I've been complaining about this for Orr's entire tenure. He has it set in his mind who his starters are and who the backups are at every position and never considers playing a guy slightly out of position to get the best 5 guys on the court at the same time. Just recently we've seen some of Sealey at the 3, but it took until this late in the year to go there? WHY!?

Sealey should be easily averaging 20+ minutes per night as a combo forward. I'm not here saying that he's god's gift to MAC basketball, but he's absolutely one of our best 5-6 players and should be playing as such.

What is outright infuriating about this scenario is that Coach Orr has chosen TO PLAY HIS OWN KID IN FRONT OF A CLEARLY SUPERIOR PLAYER - Sealey.

Can we make a case for favoritism? I don't know, but I don't know how else to explain it. Has anyone heard Orr address this question?

The Chauncey Orr point is not valid whatsoever. He has been very good this year and he has earned his minutes. Over the past 10 games he is averaging 9.6 points per game and is shooting over 50% for the field. He is a good player. He has improved a lot since last year and he is only a Sophomore.

[guest44]

I agree Chauncey is a much better player today than at beginning of the year, but with that said Erger again took minutes from his development last year.

[BleedOrange]

Well it's partly because Orr refuses to use Sealey at the 3, therefore 10 minutes per continue to be wasted on Erger. Rather than having Holmes back up both Calhoun and Black, Orr has a specific guy go in to replace each guy. It's like a substitution pattern you would use when playing video games. Holmes only shot at 25 minutes in Cam Black gets 2 fouls in the 1st half. Also, it looks as if we basically won't see Henderson again until next year, when we will need him to shoot 10 plus times a game to score 50 points per game. #FireOrr

I've been complaining about this for Orr's entire tenure. He has it set in his mind who his starters are and who the backups are at every position and never considers playing a guy slightly out of position to get the best 5 guys on the court at the same time. Just recently we've seen some of Sealey at the 3, but it took until this late in the year to go there? WHY!?

Sealey should be easily averaging 20+ minutes per night as a combo forward. I'm not here saying that he's god's gift to MAC basketball, but he's absolutely one of our best 5-6 players and should be playing as such.

What is outright infuriating about this scenario is that Coach Orr has chosen TO PLAY HIS OWN KID IN FRONT OF A CLEARLY SUPERIOR PLAYER - Sealey.

Can we make a case for favoritism? I don't know, but I don't know how else to explain it. Has anyone heard Orr address this question?

The Chauncey Orr point is not valid whatsoever. He has been very good this year and he has earned his minutes. Over the past 10 games he is averaging 9.6 points per game and is shooting over 50% for the field. He is a good player. He has improved a lot since last year and he is only a Sophomore.

Chauncey may have improved, and that's great. However, he isn't half the athlete of Sealey. Anybody can plainly see that, it's been obvious since the beginning. Sealey is faster and quicker. He'll out rebound Chauncey 2:1 and shoot just as consistently from the perimeter. Sealey probably has 8-12 inches more on his vertical leap and is capable of blocking shots. The only advantage Chauncey has over Sealey is ballhandling.

[FalconTurf]

Well it's partly because Orr refuses to use Sealey at the 3, therefore 10 minutes per continue to be wasted on Erger. Rather than having Holmes back up both Calhoun and Black, Orr has a specific guy go in to replace each guy. It's like a substitution pattern you would use when playing video games. Holmes only shot at 25 minutes in Cam Black gets 2 fouls in the 1st half. Also, it looks as if we basically won't see Henderson again until next year, when we will need him to shoot 10 plus times a game to score 50 points per game. #FireOrr

I've been complaining about this for Orr's entire tenure. He has it set in his mind who his starters are and who the backups are at every position and never considers playing a guy slightly out of position to get the best 5 guys on the court at the same time. Just recently we've seen some of Sealey at the 3, but it took until this late in the year to go there? WHY!?

Sealey should be easily averaging 20+ minutes per night as a combo forward. I'm not here saying that he's god's gift to MAC basketball, but he's absolutely one of our best 5-6 players and should be playing as such.

What is outright infuriating about this scenario is that Coach Orr has chosen TO PLAY HIS OWN KID IN FRONT OF A CLEARLY SUPERIOR PLAYER - Sealey.

Can we make a case for favoritism? I don't know, but I don't know how else to explain it. Has anyone heard Orr address this question?

The Chauncey Orr point is not valid whatsoever. He has been very good this year and he has earned his minutes. Over the past 10 games he is averaging 9.6 points per game and is shooting over 50% for the field. He is a good player. He has improved a lot since last year and he is only a Sophomore.

Chauncey may have improved, and that's great. However, he isn't half the athlete of Sealey. Anybody can plainly see that, it's been obvious since the beginning. Sealey is faster and quicker. He'll out rebound Chauncey 2:1 and shoot just as consistently from the perimeter. Sealey probably has 8-12 inches more on his vertical leap and is capable of blocking shots. The only advantage Chauncey has over Sealey is ballhandling.

Sealey is athletic and should be on the floor more than others but he does not have the same skill set as Chauncey. The two of them could compliment each other but never take playing time away from each other. Chauncey has a much better outside shot and touch near the basket along with passing/ballhandling. Sealey provides rebounding and defense along with speed for an outlet pass. Chauncey has developed a very nice all-around game for a sophomore project.

[BGSUFanatic7]

Well it's partly because Orr refuses to use Sealey at the 3, therefore 10 minutes per continue to be wasted on Erger. Rather than having Holmes back up both Calhoun and Black, Orr has a specific guy go in to replace each guy. It's like a substitution pattern you would use when playing video games. Holmes only shot at 25 minutes in Cam Black gets 2 fouls in the 1st half. Also, it looks as if we basically won't see Henderson again until next year, when we will need him to shoot 10 plus times a game to score 50 points per game. #FireOrr

I've been complaining about this for Orr's entire tenure. He has it set in his mind who his starters are and who the backups are at every position and never considers playing a guy slightly out of position to get the best 5 guys on the court at the same time. Just recently we've seen some of Sealey at the 3, but it took until this late in the year to go there? WHY!?

Sealey should be easily averaging 20+ minutes per night as a combo forward. I'm not here saying that he's god's gift to MAC basketball, but he's absolutely one of our best 5-6 players and should be playing as such.

What is outright infuriating about this scenario is that Coach Orr has chosen TO PLAY HIS OWN KID IN FRONT OF A CLEARLY SUPERIOR PLAYER - Sealey.

Can we make a case for favoritism? I don't know, but I don't know how else to explain it. Has anyone heard Orr address this question?

The Chauncey Orr point is not valid whatsoever. He has been very good this year and he has earned his minutes. Over the past 10 games he is averaging 9.6 points per game and is shooting over 50% for the field. He is a good player. He has improved a lot since last year and he is only a Sophomore.

Chauncey may have improved, and that's great. However, he isn't half the athlete of Sealey. Anybody can plainly see that, it's been obvious since the beginning. Sealey is faster and quicker. He'll out rebound Chauncey 2:1 and shoot just as consistently from the perimeter. Sealey probably has 8-12 inches more on his vertical leap and is capable of blocking shots. The only advantage Chauncey has over Sealey is ballhandling.

Shoot just as consistently on the perimeter? haha you are crazy. That is a ridiculous statement. The only advantage is not ball handling. He is a MUCH better shooter than Craig. The two are completely different players. You are right, Craig is faster and more athletic. He will rebound better and can jump higher and play better defense. The argument was if Coach was playing favorites, and that is clearly not the case. Craig should be playing more minutes. No doubt. But your assessment on Chauncey and his skills is way off.

[BGSUFanatic7]

Sealey is athletic and should be on the floor more than others but he does not have the same skill set as Chauncey. The two of them could compliment each other but never take playing time away from each other. Chauncey has a much better outside shot and touch near the basket along with passing/ballhandling. Sealey provides rebounding and defense along with speed for an outlet pass. Chauncey has developed a very nice all-around game for a sophomore project.[/quote]

Could not agree more. Agree with everything 100%

[guest44]

I wouldn't call it favoritism, I'd call it an awful coaching staff. Sealey can't play the 3 in Orr's mind, and your other option is a guy who you, I, and 347 other D1 schools could see is not a D1 player in Erger. On top of that the same coach has found a way to get Erger into 100 games (80 points) in his career, while Sealey has wasted 3 years, Henderson and Clarke 2 rotting on the bench.

[hammb]

I was hard on Chauncey early in the year. He didn't do anything to look like he was a worthwhile D1 player. As the season has gone on he's been far more aggressive taking the ball towards the rim, and that has seemed to improve his confidence and his shooting as well. Over the 2nd half of the season he's definitely been one of the better players on the team.

My issue with this regard is why can Orr not move over to the SG spot while Sealey plays SF for some minutes? Essentially you're giving Sealey some of the minutes currently wasted on Kraus, etc.

A good college coach does what he can to get his best 5 players on the court as often as possible. Orr seems so set in positional slotting and backups that he just never does this. It's always "These are my 5 starters, and these are their backups." What about the occasional giant lineup with Calhoun-Black-Holmes on the floor at the same time. Why not put your best athletes on the court at the same time? To me the best 5 lineup this team can play is Crawford-Orr-Sealey-Calhoun-Holmes, and I'm not sure those guys have played 5 minutes on the court together all season because of how penciled in Orr has them. To the point that penciled in isn't the proper term...they're written in permanent sharpie.

[BleedOrange]

Well it's partly because Orr refuses to use Sealey at the 3, therefore 10 minutes per continue to be wasted on Erger. Rather than having Holmes back up both Calhoun and Black, Orr has a specific guy go in to replace each guy. It's like a substitution pattern you would use when playing video games. Holmes only shot at 25 minutes in Cam Black gets 2 fouls in the 1st half. Also, it looks as if we basically won't see Henderson again until next year, when we will need him to shoot 10 plus times a game to score 50 points per game. #FireOrr

I've been complaining about this for Orr's entire tenure. He has it set in his mind who his starters are and who the backups are at every position and never considers playing a guy slightly out of position to get the best 5 guys on the court at the same time. Just recently we've seen some of Sealey at the 3, but it took until this late in the year to go there? WHY!?

Sealey should be easily averaging 20+ minutes per night as a combo forward. I'm not here saying that he's god's gift to MAC basketball, but he's absolutely one of our best 5-6 players and should be playing as such.

What is outright infuriating about this scenario is that Coach Orr has chosen TO PLAY HIS OWN KID IN FRONT OF A CLEARLY SUPERIOR PLAYER - Sealey.

Can we make a case for favoritism? I don't know, but I don't know how else to explain it. Has anyone heard Orr address this question?

The Chauncey Orr point is not valid whatsoever. He has been very good this year and he has earned his minutes. Over the past 10 games he is averaging 9.6 points per game and is shooting over 50% for the field. He is a good player. He has improved a lot since last year and he is only a Sophomore.

Chauncey may have improved, and that's great. However, he isn't half the athlete of Sealey. Anybody can plainly see that, it's been obvious since the beginning. Sealey is faster and quicker. He'll out rebound Chauncey 2:1 and shoot just as consistently from the perimeter. Sealey probably has 8-12 inches more on his vertical leap and is capable of blocking shots. The only advantage Chauncey has over Sealey is ballhandling.

Shoot just as consistently on the perimeter? haha you are crazy. That is a ridiculous statement. The only advantage is not ball handling. He is a MUCH better shooter than Craig. The two are completely different players. You are right, Craig is faster and more athletic. He will rebound better and can jump higher and play better defense. The argument was if Coach was playing favorites, and that is clearly not the case. Craig should be playing more minutes. No doubt. But your assessment on Chauncey and his skills is way off.

I've seen Sealey shoot enough to know that he has a very solid perimeter shot for a uber-athletic small forward. Orr has better shooting stats, but Sealey's playing time has been so limited that his numbers are hard to trust as a genuine statistical indicator. Orr hasn't demonstrated that he's a MUCH better shooter. I'll give Orr credit for having solid fundamentals, but for a D1 mid-range player he leaves some things to be desired athletically. My bottom line is that Sealey should certainly be playing ahead of Orr. However, moving Orr to the 2G in front of Kraus and playing Sealey full-time at the three would be even better!

Orr has improved - I'm happy to give him credit for that. I don't mean to say that he should not be contributor or in the rotation.

[Flipper]

I agree witrh hammb...Chauncey should be a 2 guard. Start him at SG with Sealey at the 3 and you go a long ways to easing the size matchups that plague us defensively.

[BleedOrange]

I wouldn't call it favoritism, I'd call it an awful coaching staff. Sealey can't play the 3 in Orr's mind, and your other option is a guy who you, I, and 347 other D1 schools could see is not a D1 player in Erger. On top of that the same coach has found a way to get Erger into 100 games (80 points) in his career, while Sealey has wasted 3 years, Henderson and Clarke 2 rotting on the bench.

Yes! Sealey should be on the floor 25-30 minutes per game playing either forward spot. Clarke and Henderson should be much more developed than they are now.

When you look around at programs like Kent, Ohio, and Akron, you see guys coming off the bench looking far more confident and game-ready (mentally) than our subs.

[BGSUFanatic7]

I agree. I would love to see Chauncey and Sealey play the 2 and the 3 at the same time. But taking Orr out for Sealey would just be counterproductive. And I am not sure where you have seen Sealey shoot on the perimeter. He has shot 8 three's in his 3 year career and has made two. And to say that Orr hasn't demonstrated he's a better shooter is just false. He is a career 40% shooter. With that average being higher this season. He is a career 36% shooter from behind the arc and he is a career 77% FT shooter. With that average being close to 90% this year. Chauncey is and always will be a better shooter than Craig. Shooting is simply not Sealey's game whatsoever. In no way should Craig be playing ahead of him.

With that being said, Craig still can add a lot to this team and he should be playing 25+ minutes, I agree with that completely. But to say Chauncey hasn't demonstrated he can shoot is just silly. Look at the stats, he has shot very very well. And his numbers this season are very good.

[BGSUFanatic7]

But my first post in this threat called for a lineup of Crawford-Orr-Sealey-Calhoun-Holmes. I guess we just disagree on some minor details. But man, that lineup would be so much fun. I'd even go as far as saying we would have a significant better record (Nothing Crazy) with this lineup. Subbing in guys like Henderson, Clarke and Black to spare Holmes and Calhoun and as a foul trouble sub. Most really good teams only give 5-7 guys solid minutes with everyone else being bench warmers are guys with very limited roles. But for reasons no one knows, guys like Black/Kraus and Erger continue to see pretty solid minuets. Kraus and Black especially.

[guest44]

It's too bad Orr decided not to do to Erger and Kraus, what he did to Jakubowski his senior year.