"Updated" 2013-2014 roster

[Globetrotter]

I'm pretty much getting tired of all of the pissing and moaning over here. Get over it. He'll be here one more year and there is nothing that anyone can do about it. This is a public forum and he has family here. I'm sure that they enjoy reading and/or hearing about your constant, childish, complaints over the current state of the program. Seriously, how many times do you need to say the same thing to get your points across?

Orr sucks. This program is a joke. I have basically stopped paying attention to BG basketball and it is seeping into my interest in football because although I expect us to be good, we will soon be essentially D2 there.

If God gets the Glory? Who gets the....well whatever is the opposite of Glory?

[mscarn]

I'm pretty much getting tired of all of the pissing and moaning over here. Get over it. He'll be here one more year and there is nothing that anyone can do about it. This is a public forum and he has family here. I'm sure that they enjoy reading and/or hearing about your constant, childish, complaints over the current state of the program. Seriously, how many times do you need to say the same thing to get your points across?

1. To answer your last question, as many times as it takes to convince the decision-makers to field a program this university deserves. Literally nothing has changed from last year. Clearly the message has not gotten across.

2. This is indeed a public forum. Instead of blanketly dismissing the critiques, respond to them. Refute them. Is it just the repetition and not the substance? If so, see above.

3. The critiques of the program are, as you said, based on the performance on the court and the management of the program. It's not personal. If you look back, I have said that Orr is admirable on a personal level and that his character is beyond reproach.

4. Division I basketball jobs come with several things attached to them, namely criticism from fans when expectations are not met. This is the big leagues and the coaches are big boys. If you think this is too harsh then check out the message boards of some other institutions. If they don't wish to be criticized they should take a job out of the public limelight or accomplish things worthy of praise.

5. The prescribed alternative is tolerating an underachieveing program and censoring all criticism of it. Is that truly desirable?

[BGFan]

I'm pretty much getting tired of all of the pissing and moaning over here. Get over it. He'll be here one more year and there is nothing that anyone can do about it. This is a public forum and he has family here. I'm sure that they enjoy reading and/or hearing about your constant, childish, complaints over the current state of the program. Seriously, how many times do you need to say the same thing to get your points across?

1. To answer your last question, as many times as it takes to convince the decision-makers to field a program this university deserves. Literally nothing has changed from last year. Clearly the message has not gotten across.

2. This is indeed a public forum. Instead of blanketly dismissing the critiques, respond to them. Refute them. Is it just the repetition and not the substance? If so, see above.

3. The critiques of the program are, as you said, based on the performance on the court and the management of the program. It's not personal. If you look back, I have said that Orr is admirable on a personal level and that his character is beyond reproach.

4. Division I basketball jobs come with several things attached to them, namely criticism from fans when expectations are not met. This is the big leagues and the coaches are big boys. If you think this is too harsh then check out the message boards of some other institutions. If they don't wish to be criticized they should take a job out of the public limelight or accomplish things worthy of praise.

5. The prescribed alternative is tolerating an underachieveing program and censoring all criticism of it. Is that truly desirable?

Regardless, you're preaching to the choir on this board. State it directly to those that can do something about it. All of this BS nearly got the board shut down again (and it may still happen) due to the vitriol spewed here. We all know how you feel. I get annoyed looking through all of this crap for 1 meaningful post. I would really rather not stop coming to this section but it is getting to that point. If they only had an ignore for Men's Hoops....

[falconfan1]

Correct BGFan. I rarely look at this forum. It serves no purpose today. A new Athletics Director started July 15. So he's two weeks in. He knows our men's BB history near term and long. He knows that. He's looked at it as part of his preparation for the job and since being named and now since starting. He also knows more about other University variables than some of us. Now we have a season to play w a staff in the very last year of their contract. The season will be played. A decision will be made.

No decision will be made between now and the first game of the season.

Obviously.

It amazes me why the rehashing. I get that it's a forum. But yes we all do get it. We have been very very disappointing in men's BB. Very.

We will win down the road in men's BB. The road might be pretty close despite recent history. C. Kingston will do a very good job in my opinion.

Go Falcons!

[guest44]

Just shut the forum down until Orr is finally gone then. I mean if BG had a glimmer of hope for the 2013-2014 season, I'm sure someone could find it right? The rehashing is the product of keeping a coach that 99.9% of all fans, knows will not be the coach next season, and should not have been the coach this season or last season. Would you prefer we start more potential new coach threads? I mean does anyone actually think that this is not a throw away year?

[BleedOrange]

I'm pretty much getting tired of all of the pissing and moaning over here. Get over it. He'll be here one more year and there is nothing that anyone can do about it. This is a public forum and he has family here. I'm sure that they enjoy reading and/or hearing about your constant, childish, complaints over the current state of the program. Seriously, how many times do you need to say the same thing to get your points across?

1. To answer your last question, as many times as it takes to convince the decision-makers to field a program this university deserves. Literally nothing has changed from last year. Clearly the message has not gotten across.

2. This is indeed a public forum. Instead of blanketly dismissing the critiques, respond to them. Refute them. Is it just the repetition and not the substance? If so, see above.

3. The critiques of the program are, as you said, based on the performance on the court and the management of the program. It's not personal. If you look back, I have said that Orr is admirable on a personal level and that his character is beyond reproach.

4. Division I basketball jobs come with several things attached to them, namely criticism from fans when expectations are not met. This is the big leagues and the coaches are big boys. If you think this is too harsh then check out the message boards of some other institutions. If they don't wish to be criticized they should take a job out of the public limelight or accomplish things worthy of praise.

5. The prescribed alternative is tolerating an underachieveing program and censoring all criticism of it. Is that truly desirable?

...not to mention the fact that we haven't been to an NCAA tournament in 45 years.

As a proud BGSU alum, this program makes me burn with embarrassment. The institutional and cultural deadness that surrounds it is infuriating. I bitch and will continue bitching until I see the type of competence that I am expected to maintain daily in my professional life. People might hate reading it. I'm okay with that.

[BGWriter]

I'm pretty much getting tired of all of the pissing and moaning over here. Get over it. He'll be here one more year and there is nothing that anyone can do about it. This is a public forum and he has family here. I'm sure that they enjoy reading and/or hearing about your constant, childish, complaints over the current state of the program. Seriously, how many times do you need to say the same thing to get your points across?

1. To answer your last question, as many times as it takes to convince the decision-makers to field a program this university deserves. Literally nothing has changed from last year. Clearly the message has not gotten across.

2. This is indeed a public forum. Instead of blanketly dismissing the critiques, respond to them. Refute them. Is it just the repetition and not the substance? If so, see above.

3. The critiques of the program are, as you said, based on the performance on the court and the management of the program. It's not personal. If you look back, I have said that Orr is admirable on a personal level and that his character is beyond reproach.

4. Division I basketball jobs come with several things attached to them, namely criticism from fans when expectations are not met. This is the big leagues and the coaches are big boys. If you think this is too harsh then check out the message boards of some other institutions. If they don't wish to be criticized they should take a job out of the public limelight or accomplish things worthy of praise.

5. The prescribed alternative is tolerating an underachieveing program and censoring all criticism of it. Is that truly desirable?

...not to mention the fact that we haven't been to an NCAA tournament in 45 years.

As a proud BGSU alum, this program makes me burn with embarrassment. The institutional and cultural deadness that surrounds it is infuriating. I bitch and will continue bitching until I see the type of competence that I am expected to maintain daily in my professional life. People might hate reading it. I'm okay with that.

This pretty much sums up my feelings, as well.

And for the record: some of us HAVE made our displeasure known to those in charge, and it fell on deaf ears. So the incompetence that plagues the men's basketball program has tendrils that reach all the way up the food chain.

Oh and just to put that 45 years of no NCAA tourney in perspective: BG is one of only about a half dozen schools to go that long without making the tournament IN THE COUNTRY.

That's embarrassing. And it's why people continue to vent on here, even though it probably won't make any difference so far as any immediate change. I'd hope, however, that those who run this site see the value of allowing those who visit this site to get things out of their system periodically. It's what sports fans do -- and this is a sports site.

For those who run the site: we do appreciate the opportunity and don't take it for granted, either.