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orangeandbrown wrote:And Wright, who should be at point, was in foul trouble. I guess its the same story, we aren't very good at PG, and you can't hide it every night.

As for "guys haven't gotten any better," do you think he was referring to Moten and Clements? That would be logical, I guess, but that kind of talk makes me worry, stick around wise.

Perhaps if Dan would give the youngsters some consistent playing time, they would have the chance to improve. I think it is unfair for the coach to ask for great improvement when A: The players rarely see the floor and B: When they do they are scared to death of making a mistake since it might mean they don't play for a month.

I think this has been the most frustrating aspect of the season for me. I was prepared for us to have a pretty poor year, but I expected it to be a rebuilding year. Other than Marschall, there has been no steady playing time for the young guys on the team. What do we gain from not playing the freshman more? It's not like we have much of a chance to do anything special this season. Sure, anything can happen -- but does anybody really think we can win the MAC tournament? We'll play our guts out as always, but we can not pull off three huge upsets in a row.

We had an opportunity this year, with no real expectations, to get some valuable game experience for the kids who hold the future of the program in their hands. We've squandered that opportunity, and it will hurt us badly in terms of future production, recruiting, and yes, probably more transfers.
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I'm not going to "quote" J4H's post above, but I could not agree more with everything that was said. I can't believe that Moten is not good enough to get playing time on this team. As highly touted as he was, he must really be stinking up the joint in practice. I tend to believe that he just plays scared when he's out there. For example, he finally gets in at the end of the 2nd OT versus OU (due to everyone else fouling out) and he makes a bonehead play and fouls with the game tied. On one hand, I blame him for not knowing the situation, but on the other hand, I completely understand since he was just rotting at the end of the bench for the first 48 minutes of the game. Is Dakich not going to play him the rest of the year because he lost track of the game situation? Give the young guys a shot. As much as I want to believe that we can win the MAC tournament, the chances are about as good as the Browns winning the Super Bowl next year.

I would not be surprised at all if Brian Moten and Darryl Clements left after the playing time they've received.
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commonsense wrote:hammb, all that you say is true. Especially about on the ball defense. I will probably never agree that our other guards play that great of defense though. I just think it is funny that after every game Floyd gets blamed for this and that, when we have other problems, such as being out rebounded in every MAC game except the game that was just played.
I think the biggest reason why Floyd gets blamed so much is because he has been the PG in the past. As such the ball is in his hands a lot, and that's who people watch. I know I hated watching him play PG, but I think he has actually shown some real value the last 3-4 games by being away from the ball. He is one of only a couple guys who will actively move without the ball, and get to the open spot. He's still a defensive liability, but since he's had less of the PG duties, he's really looked like an actual player. He won't be winning any POY awards, but he's a lot more valuable to this team off the ball.

As for the rebounding, It hasn't been discussed too much on here, but this is one of my 2 biggest pet peeves about Dan as a head coach. For the life of me I cannot remember us EVER being a great rebounding team since he's been here. That includes when we've had tremendous inside presence with guys like Esterkamp & Matela, or even great individual rebounders like Stacey. All the years that we haven't had guys like that we tend to get DOMINATED on the boards. The reason why is pretty simple: we don't box out. EVER. We are terrible at it in fact. What's worse when we do box out most of our guys don't attack the ball like it's their livelihood. I cannot tell you how many times our guys have been in position to make a rebound and then rather than going up and getting the ball they let it come to them only to have it knocked around and have the opposing team come up with it. Soler is the only decent individual rebounder we have. I really hope Sullivan can get his butt on the court next year, because I believe he talked about how he feels about rebounding in an article last year, and we could really use that.
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:I think this has been the most frustrating aspect of the season for me. I was prepared for us to have a pretty poor year, but I expected it to be a rebuilding year. Other than Marschall, there has been no steady playing time for the young guys on the team. What do we gain from not playing the freshman more?
Now J4H hits on my #1 Pet peeve about Dan Dakich as a coach. He flat out refuses to use his bench. Even when our starters are racking up fouls at an alarming rate Saturday, he refused to bring those guys off the bench until it was absolutely necessary, but by then it was too late, they all had 4 fouls.

In the postgame Dan mentioned that the guys on the 2nd team are not competing. He said that he's never in his life had to worry about the backups not playing hard. Went on to say that he doesn't feel he can trust them in the game because of how they practice. From those comments it sounds to me that it's not an issue of talent, but that they are not willing to work as hard as they need to in order to see the court. In Dan's defense those guys have pretty much looked lost when they were on the court, but that's still not an excuse. At some point you just have to get those guys on the court.
Jacobs4Heisman wrote: We had an opportunity this year, with no real expectations, to get some valuable game experience for the kids who hold the future of the program in their hands. We've squandered that opportunity, and it will hurt us badly in terms of future production, recruiting, and yes, probably more transfers.
Agreed. It would be a lot easier to stomach this below average team if we were actually getting good experience for our young guys. Instead we're losing with a lot of upper classmen who don't have much growth potential. There is no reason why Moten & Clements don't get at least 5-10 mins a game. This team is not good enough to leave them on the bench.

As for transfers at this point I would be quite surprised to see Sullivan, Moten, and Clements all on this team next year. I just don't see why they'd stick around...
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Sullivan would suprise me if he left. I think he'd have to sit another year...that would mean two straight years off the court and it would burn a year of PT ( unless he dropped from div1). Moten and Clements...they have to be looking at Miller coming in and wondering where that wil leave them with Floyd, Wright and Samarco all here as well.
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BGGrad01 wrote:e. I tend to believe that he just plays scared when he's out there.
It seems that it's a combination of him playing scared and thinking too much. He needs to relax and let his instincts take over. Hopefully he'll stick around and we'll get to see what he can do.
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Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
orangeandbrown wrote:And Wright, who should be at point, was in foul trouble. I guess its the same story, we aren't very good at PG, and you can't hide it every night.

As for "guys haven't gotten any better," do you think he was referring to Moten and Clements? That would be logical, I guess, but that kind of talk makes me worry, stick around wise.

Perhaps if Dan would give the youngsters some consistent playing time, they would have the chance to improve. I think it is unfair for the coach to ask for great improvement when A: The players rarely see the floor and B: When they do they are scared to death of making a mistake since it might mean they don't play for a month.

I think this has been the most frustrating aspect of the season for me. I was prepared for us to have a pretty poor year, but I expected it to be a rebuilding year. Other than Marschall, there has been no steady playing time for the young guys on the team. What do we gain from not playing the freshman more? It's not like we have much of a chance to do anything special this season. Sure, anything can happen -- but does anybody really think we can win the MAC tournament? We'll play our guts out as always, but we can not pull off three huge upsets in a row.

We had an opportunity this year, with no real expectations, to get some valuable game experience for the kids who hold the future of the program in their hands. We've squandered that opportunity, and it will hurt us badly in terms of future production, recruiting, and yes, probably more transfers.
Thank you. That was beautiful. You have taken the words right out of my mouth. I'll raise you $100.

Like hammb, I absolutely HATE the way DD neglects his bench consistently fails to develop talent. Let's consider the progress of our freshman. Marschall, if anything, has made negative progress. He's as foul prone as ever and gets few touches in the offense. Moten is not getting integrated into the offense and plays scared. Clements rots on the bench, so he's useless for the desparate times when we really need depth. Dusan made no progress while he was available. Meanwhile. Floyd continues to see major minutes, Moon contributes nothing on offense, and walk-ons start on the front line.

I too came into this year ready to accept losses if it meant seeing young players make progress and the team develop as a whole. NEITHER has happened in any meanful way. Despite having a "young" team, which we really don't, NOTHING has happened this year to make me look forward to next year. I'm seeing no real reason to expect a better team or record next year.

I too fully expect Moten and Clements to leave. I wouldn't be surprised to see Sullivan leave as well. Furthermore, I hear reports from various sources that our two signees are bad fits for Dakich. At least THAT is a relative unknown.

I view this team and season in the context of the past 4 years. For the first time since late in the Weinart administration (early to mid 80's), I feel a sense of resignation and pessimism about the program as a whole.

Sorry if this all seems too dark. It's what I honestly believe.
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hammb wrote:

In the postgame Dan mentioned that the guys on the 2nd team are not competing. He said that he's never in his life had to worry about the backups not playing hard. Went on to say that he doesn't feel he can trust them in the game because of how they practice. From those comments it sounds to me that it's not an issue of talent, but that they are not willing to work as hard as they need to in order to see the court. In Dan's defense those guys have pretty much looked lost when they were on the court, but that's still not an excuse. At some point you just have to get those guys on the court.
Heh? WHY wouldn't they be competing? Why do they practice badly, and why can't he trust them in games 3.5 months into the season? DD's explanation sounds self-serving. I can offer a different read: Given DD's track record, it could be that they're resigned to not playing and just going through the motions until they can request their releases.

Either way, it's a bad reflection on Dakich.

Refer to the Kansas Jayhawks for a starkly contrasting example of how young teams progress over the course of a season.
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BleedOrange wrote:
Refer to the Kansas Jayhawks for a starkly contrasting example of how young teams progress over the course of a season.
UNC is playing quite well with a very young team as well.
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You can compete with young players in basketball, much more so than football. You can also develop talent. I just worry if we don't do either.
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