vs. CMU (2/3)

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Re: vs. CMU (2/3)

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Matty B wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:49 am
mbenecke wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:09 pm
BGSU33 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:03 pm Tough loss, especially when CMU’s best player (and another) were out and we were at hone. BG’s poor shooting cost it tonight. CMU shot 51% from the field while BG shot just 33% and jacked up 33 threes and only hit 7 of them (21%). BG blew that first OT, and we left the door open and it cost us. I hate close losses and losing by 1 in 2OT was a dagger. That’s back-to-back losses at home in OT too. Damn…
This issue isn’t so much that we took 33 threes, it’s that we only hit 7. Hitting from deep at a 21% clip obviously isn’t good enough - that number needs to be closer to 40%.

Simon’s system involves chucking a ton of triples, so we need to continue to develop that part of our game to raise our ceiling. When we can shoot well, we’ll be a really tough team to beat.
I believe that Humphrey was supposed to be that guy. He shot 43% from 3PT last year and was a top 25 JuCo recruit, but just hasn't been able to get it going yet. If he finds his shot that will be a big boost to the offense.

Jaxon Pardon coming in next year will be a big addition to our shooting as well.
Humphrey is a good call. Would be huge for him to beat up.

It’s something that I think will get better over time as guys develop that part of their game. It’s just not there yet currently.
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A game we would lose 1 out of 10 times with the players Central was missing. However, you can see why Central has played well in MAC play. Play good defense around the rim and have good size. 34 just made every tough shot down the stretch. We really lack a good on the ball defender at the point.

In my opinion, MAC Tournament seeding comes down to being a wash anywhere from 3 to 6. Since all 8 go,
seeding has never been less important. It’s just more important to have a favorable matchup in the first round but that’s impossible to predict.
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guest44 wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:57 am A game we would lose 1 out of 10 times with the players Central was missing. However, you can see why Central has played well in MAC play. Play good defense around the rim and have good size. 34 just made every tough shot down the stretch. We really lack a good on the ball defender at the point.

In my opinion, MAC Tournament seeding comes down to being a wash anywhere from 3 to 6. Since all 8 go,
seeding has never been less important. It’s just more important to have a favorable matchup in the first round but that’s impossible to predict.
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Re: vs. CMU (2/3)

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mbenecke wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:01 am
Matty B wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 7:49 am
mbenecke wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:09 pm
BGSU33 wrote: Sat Feb 03, 2024 8:03 pm Tough loss, especially when CMU’s best player (and another) were out and we were at hone. BG’s poor shooting cost it tonight. CMU shot 51% from the field while BG shot just 33% and jacked up 33 threes and only hit 7 of them (21%). BG blew that first OT, and we left the door open and it cost us. I hate close losses and losing by 1 in 2OT was a dagger. That’s back-to-back losses at home in OT too. Damn…
This issue isn’t so much that we took 33 threes, it’s that we only hit 7. Hitting from deep at a 21% clip obviously isn’t good enough - that number needs to be closer to 40%.

Simon’s system involves chucking a ton of triples, so we need to continue to develop that part of our game to raise our ceiling. When we can shoot well, we’ll be a really tough team to beat.
I believe that Humphrey was supposed to be that guy. He shot 43% from 3PT last year and was a top 25 JuCo recruit, but just hasn't been able to get it going yet. If he finds his shot that will be a big boost to the offense.

Jaxon Pardon coming in next year will be a big addition to our shooting as well.
Humphrey is a good call. Would be huge for him to beat up.

It’s something that I think will get better over time as guys develop that part of their game. It’s just not there yet currently.
I think that is who we were hoping would heat up, but he's shooting about the same as he did at Holy Cross so maybe the jump to D1 is where he loses efficiency.

Thomas is the other guy I think we expected to shoot better but he's basically in line with where he was at Vandy. He's taking fae more 2 pointers than he ever did there and I'm not sure that's good. He was ROUGH yesterday...to make matters worse they basically had no concern with guarding him and even though he couldn't hit iron half the day he passed up multiple open passes to take those uncontested 3s.

I'm so torn because I have no issues with the shoot a bunch of 3s offense that is modern basketball. And shooters always need to keep shooting. But damn when they aren't making them it's tough as a fan to see them pass up open passes.

We shot 33 threes yesterday and I would bet 25 of them qualified as wide open. At least 4-5 of those didn't even draw iron it was so bad. At some point those shots will always be open because the defense simply knows you won't make enough of them to matter.
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Re: vs. CMU (2/3)

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guest44 wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2024 8:57 am A game we would lose 1 out of 10 times with the players Central was missing. However, you can see why Central has played well in MAC play. Play good defense around the rim and have good size. 34 just made every tough shot down the stretch. We really lack a good on the ball defender at the point.

In my opinion, MAC Tournament seeding comes down to being a wash anywhere from 3 to 6. Since all 8 go,
seeding has never been less important. It’s just more important to have a favorable matchup in the first round but that’s impossible to predict.
100% agree here. If we finish anywhere between 3-6 I feel EXACTLY the same going into Cleveland.. we'll have a very winnable game Thursday, and then hope we get hot and/or opponent goes cold on Friday.

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Re: vs. CMU (2/3)

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I think the size of our guards is really starting to hurt us in MAC play against the top teams. MAC play is very physical and always relying on the refs to call a foul is not going to work well especially in postseason play.

The trio of Thomas, Phillip, Humphrey are allowing heavier guards to get to the free throw line or the rim on almost every drive because they take one dribble in to them, get them off balance and get to their spot.

I would be interested to see what would happen if they went to a zone more. They could protect their bigs and give their guards a head start down the floor.
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Falcon Fryed wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2024 3:09 pm I think the size of our guards is really starting to hurt us in MAC play against the top teams. MAC play is very physical and always relying on the refs to call a foul is not going to work well especially in postseason play.

The trio of Thomas, Phillip, Humphrey are allowing heavier guards to get to the free throw line or the rim on almost every drive because they take one dribble in to them, get them off balance and get to their spot.

I would be interested to see what would happen if they went to a zone more. They could protect their bigs and give their guards a head start down the floor.
Hmm...interesting. I hadn't thought of our backcourt as especially small. It's certainly got more size than anything Huger ever put out there. Tough to rely solely on roster listed sizes but Humphrey & Phillip are both listed in that 6'4-6'5 range. Greer is also a wing/perimeter guy at 6'8.

CMU, however, was huge on the perimeter. WHen they were in their huddle they had one small guard and the other 4 guys on the floor were all interchangeable. They didn't seem to have anything that could match with Agee/Spurgin's size inside, but their guards were noticeably bigger than our guys.

Dunno, maybe you're right. I've just felt we don't do a good enough job keeping guys in front of us. I do agree that it seems we've been our best this year when we go to zone. Seems like we do it more to protect the bigs when they have foul issues, but it should probably be something they do a bit more of.
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