Coach Orr Pros and Cons

[Globetrotter]

I think I can put my finger on it. Even under Dakich II, the kids had swagger. I'm thinking Cory Eyink (sp), and others with an attitude. Contrast Thomas, Brown and Oglesby and Joe Jak before. Out with a whimper. Sire, in time, Thomas will be remembered for the sheer numbers he put up, but the teams are going to be so forgettable.

Well anyway, look for me in your negihborhood gmartin. I'm coming down to Washington, IN on Wednesday

HoopsFan

I dont think corey Eyink had swagger....but I get what you were saying. Was just watching St Marys and the Zags and its a different ball game. Everyone on the same page the entire time. Stop in play and the pg grabs everyone and they all get together. Our guys dont ever seem to do that. Just run around with their heads cut off. I saw them after a win standing during the alma matter and they looked like it was the worst 2 minutes of their life. No respect at all. I could not sing a word of that song but if the school paid me to play basketball with books, food, a house and tuition you know I would learn it and play to the crowd. They just all looked like HS at an assembly. He should be canned for that. I see that and then I see OSU singing there alma mater in the endzone after games. Its night and day. Should be atleast some pride.

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[footballguy51]

It would be the WORST idea to borrow money off the donation. Do you realize what kind of interest you pay on something like that? If I were the donor, and BGSU did that, I would take back the donation because that's just careless on the part of the university.

Now, as for those saying that we need to go find a good prospective coach and pay him to stay here, I think that's a terrible idea. Not the finding a good prospective coach part, but the pay part. Let's say I do a coaching search, find Coach X that seems to be the next up-and-coming head coach, and hire him. I have two choices:

1. Pay him a salary to stay.
2. Pay him a salary that BG normally pays.

With option 1, we are throwing tons of cash at somebody that hasn't proved themselves and could wash out. Plus, there's no guarantee they'll stay anyways, because it's not always about the money. If I could coach at BGSU or Kentucky and get paid the same, I'm going to Kentucky because I'll make a name for myself there (if that's what I'm interested in doing). Or, I could stay at BG and win a bunch of easy games and be a legend at BG.

With option 2, we are playing it safe on the pay. The coach makes a decent salary and goes out and coaches like he should. If he washes out, no big loss. If he's successful, we can offer him a raise to that staying salary that was discussed in option 1. Sure, there's still the chance the coach will leave, but I believe the chance is the same as it is in option 1.

To me, option 2 is the best choice. We conserve our resources for the right person. It's like the NFL teams that throw tens of millions of dollars at a player in free agency, and then the player slacks for the year because they got their money. Make them prove it first!

[Falcon137]

Now, as for those saying that we need to go find a good prospective coach and pay him to stay here, I think that's a terrible idea. Not the finding a good prospective coach part, but the pay part. Let's say I do a coaching search, find Coach X that seems to be the next up-and-coming head coach, and hire him. I have two choices:

1. Pay him a salary to stay.
2. Pay him a salary that BG normally pays.

With option 1, we are throwing tons of cash at somebody that hasn't proved themselves and could wash out. Plus, there's no guarantee they'll stay anyways, because it's not always about the money. If I could coach at BGSU or Kentucky and get paid the same, I'm going to Kentucky because I'll make a name for myself there (if that's what I'm interested in doing). Or, I could stay at BG and win a bunch of easy games and be a legend at BG.

With option 2, we are playing it safe on the pay. The coach makes a decent salary and goes out and coaches like he should. If he washes out, no big loss. If he's successful, we can offer him a raise to that staying salary that was discussed in option 1. Sure, there's still the chance the coach will leave, but I believe the chance is the same as it is in option 1.

To me, option 2 is the best choice. We conserve our resources for the right person. It's like the NFL teams that throw tens of millions of dollars at a player in free agency, and then the player slacks for the year because they got their money. Make them prove it first!

Save your money for what? If a BCS or A10 type school comes calling and offers 900k-1 million a year, BG isn't going to match it, they can't. Even if you saved your pennies in the penny jar for 5 years.

You think a Kentucky assistant is going to jump at 250k for BG? Instead of waiting and taking 750k from a school like Rhode Island.

Ante up BG, pay the money it takes for a good young assistant, give him a 4 year deal, make his buyout 2 million if a big name school wants to steal him away, put a clause that if he does leave for an ACC, Big East school, then that school has to give BG a home game.

BGSU can not afford to pay a coach the kind of money basketball factories pay schools. 10 million dollars is a drop in the bucket for the Kentucky's and Xavier's of the world. They don't get once in a lifetime endowments of 10 million, they make that much every year.

[h2oville rocket]

It would be the WORST idea to borrow money off the donation. Do you realize what kind of interest you pay on something like that? If I were the donor, and BGSU did that, I would take back the donation because that's just careless on the part of the university.

Now, as for those saying that we need to go find a good prospective coach and pay him to stay here, I think that's a terrible idea. Not the finding a good prospective coach part, but the pay part. Let's say I do a coaching search, find Coach X that seems to be the next up-and-coming head coach, and hire him. I have two choices:

1. Pay him a salary to stay.
2. Pay him a salary that BG normally pays.

With option 1, we are throwing tons of cash at somebody that hasn't proved themselves and could wash out. Plus, there's no guarantee they'll stay anyways, because it's not always about the money. If I could coach at BGSU or Kentucky and get paid the same, I'm going to Kentucky because I'll make a name for myself there (if that's what I'm interested in doing). Or, I could stay at BG and win a bunch of easy games and be a legend at BG.

With option 2, we are playing it safe on the pay. The coach makes a decent salary and goes out and coaches like he should. If he washes out, no big loss. If he's successful, we can offer him a raise to that staying salary that was discussed in option 1. Sure, there's still the chance the coach will leave, but I believe the chance is the same as it is in option 1.

To me, option 2 is the best choice. We conserve our resources for the right person. It's like the NFL teams that throw tens of millions of dollars at a player in free agency, and then the player slacks for the year because they got their money. Make them prove it first!

Very true. No MAC team pays enough to keep a good coach- if they stay its because they want to or they have baggage. And paying big bucks for a "sure-fire", big-time assistant leads to hires like Gene Cross or Jay Eck, both of whom came HIGHLY recommended by top-notch coaches.

[BGSUHoops]

Illinois coach Bruce Weber will probably be needing a job after this season

[BleedOrange]

It would be the WORST idea to borrow money off the donation. Do you realize what kind of interest you pay on something like that? If I were the donor, and BGSU did that, I would take back the donation because that's just careless on the part of the university.

Now, as for those saying that we need to go find a good prospective coach and pay him to stay here, I think that's a terrible idea. Not the finding a good prospective coach part, but the pay part. Let's say I do a coaching search, find Coach X that seems to be the next up-and-coming head coach, and hire him. I have two choices:

1. Pay him a salary to stay.
2. Pay him a salary that BG normally pays.

With option 1, we are throwing tons of cash at somebody that hasn't proved themselves and could wash out. Plus, there's no guarantee they'll stay anyways, because it's not always about the money. If I could coach at BGSU or Kentucky and get paid the same, I'm going to Kentucky because I'll make a name for myself there (if that's what I'm interested in doing). Or, I could stay at BG and win a bunch of easy games and be a legend at BG.

With option 2, we are playing it safe on the pay. The coach makes a decent salary and goes out and coaches like he should. If he washes out, no big loss. If he's successful, we can offer him a raise to that staying salary that was discussed in option 1. Sure, there's still the chance the coach will leave, but I believe the chance is the same as it is in option 1.

To me, option 2 is the best choice. We conserve our resources for the right person. It's like the NFL teams that throw tens of millions of dollars at a player in free agency, and then the player slacks for the year because they got their money. Make them prove it first!

My approach would be to bring in someone at a normal salary. If he wins, jack up his salary aggressively. We still might not ultimately keep him, but we may keep him longer, and we won't lose him to places like Rutgers or Houston.


Very true. No MAC team pays enough to keep a good coach- if they stay its because they want to or they have baggage. And paying big bucks for a "sure-fire", big-time assistant leads to hires like Gene Cross or Jay Eck, both of whom came HIGHLY recommended by top-notch coaches.

[Flipper]

We've gone the young assistant route with Dakich, we've tried the big school coach gone wrong route with Orr. I think things were better under Dakich 1.0, so let's try that route agqin.

Unless Gil Thorp is looking to relocate....

[Globetrotter]

If he stays I expect us to be bad next year. That tells me all I need to know about whether or not he should stay.

[TG1996]

Unless Gil Thorp is looking to relocate....

I can't find anything about Thorp. Is he an assistant? Why would we hire someone that I can't find out anything about?


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[BGSUHoops]

I understand that Dee Brown walked off the court after the game without joining the rest of his team to sing the Alma Mater. He gets rewarded for that bad, unsportsman like behavior by being awarded the post game interview? I also watched another player (I believe it was Torian Oglesby - I was streaming the game) walking around at the opposite end of the court while the rest of the team was singing the Alma Mater. Another example of a poor coach. Orr and his assistants have got to go!!

[hammb]

I understand that Dee Brown walked off the court after the game without joining the rest of his team to sing the Alma Mater. He gets rewarded for that bad, unsportsman like behavior by being awarded the post game interview? I also watched another player (I believe it was Torian Oglesby - I was streaming the game) walking around at the opposite end of the court while the rest of the team was singing the Alma Mater. Another example of a poor coach. Orr and his assistants have got to go!!

Oglesby was walking in circles with his jersey untucked in disbelief he missed that final shot.

Crawford was on the bench with his face in his hands...crying or whatever, I don't know. I thought Calhoun showed some pretty good leadership by being there to console him and not leave him there by himself, but I wish he would have taken him to be with the TEAM and sing the alma mater.

No clue where Dee was at the time.

[threestooges]

I understand that Dee Brown walked off the court after the game without joining the rest of his team to sing the Alma Mater. He gets rewarded for that bad, unsportsman like behavior by being awarded the post game interview? I also watched another player (I believe it was Torian Oglesby - I was streaming the game) walking around at the opposite end of the court while the rest of the team was singing the Alma Mater. Another example of a poor coach. Orr and his assistants have got to go!!

Believe me, Brown being asked to go to the post-game interview was NOT a reward. I'm guessing the last thing he wanted to do after the game was sit in that room & answer questions from the media.

I felt horrible for Oglesby. He was not just taking a stroll around the arena, he was inconsolable at having missed the potential game-winning shot and (barring a trip to the CBI or CIT, if those tournaments still exist) seeing his career come to an end. At least he and Crawford showed some emotion.

[BleedOrange]

I understand that Dee Brown walked off the court after the game without joining the rest of his team to sing the Alma Mater. He gets rewarded for that bad, unsportsman like behavior by being awarded the post game interview? I also watched another player (I believe it was Torian Oglesby - I was streaming the game) walking around at the opposite end of the court while the rest of the team was singing the Alma Mater. Another example of a poor coach. Orr and his assistants have got to go!!

Ya know, to be fair, I doubt that there was anybody on the planet at that point that cared, especially those seniors that just played their final game. Furthermore, I doubt that there is anybody that still cares, except maybe you. There are meaningful standards for assessment, and that just isn't one of them.

[transfer2BGSU]

I've had enough. I'm done until we get a coach. To much driving and time wasted.

This program just isn't worth my continued emotional investment. I'll see you guys when we see a new coach.

Couldn't agree more. I reinvested this season with a new arena and a team that should have been good. I left sometimes thinking I cared more than the team. Orr can't motivate a team, and he sure can't motivate a fanbase. I'm out.

You two are funny. Coach Orr will be the head coach next year and you will be right back here on the board.

And you know what? Globetrotter will go back through the 2500+ threads that will be posted after this and locate this thread with your jumping off the bandwagon.