Western Carolina

[hammb]

You can complain all you want about Huger but the reason this game was actually lost is the play of Matheny and Diggs who are likely our best outside shooters. While no one was particularly hot from the floor, this duo shot 2 for 14 combined, with 4 rebounds, 1 assist and 7 turnovers. If they would have just shot 30%, this game would have been won in regulation. Combined with the 1:7 assist/turnover ratio you should see that is where the true blame resides for this particular game. I will say that substituting Matheny in for Fulcher with 10 seconds left when BG was on defense is puzzling as well.

Saw this right after I posted. Diggs can't be on the floor if he's not hitting shots, simple as that.

Same goes for Metheny.

This sentiment is easy to get behind. Certainly our 2 best shooters laying a clunker all game long makes a win nearly impossible. But if you watched the game, and not just the box score, I don't think you can absolve Huger for the shooting woes last night. And it goes back to my earlier post, this is a theme for BG hoops going on 7 years now. We have guys who can knock down shots all day long, but we don't actually GET THEM SHOTS.

Of the 14 threes that those 2 attempted yesterday how many were actually good looks within the flow of a real offense? I'd venture to guess nearly none of them. Almost all of Matheny's attempts were NBA range step backs off the dribble. Diggs had a few looks coming around screens, but they were still moving shots.

Every team we play finds a way to penetrate and kick it out to wide open STANDING STILL three point shooters who then shoot a ridiculous percentage against us. Meanwhile we just hand the ball to the guy we think is a good three point shooter and ask him to find a way to make a shot. The last several seasons we've put pedigreed shooters out there in guys like Diggs, Turner, Frye, and Matheny. With those shooters we've started taking more threes, but our efficiency has dropped off a cliff the past few years. We were the 2nd worst shooting team from distance in the MAC last year. 7th the year before that. I'm fine with realizing that 3 pointers are the way to score, and I'm fine shooting them constantly, but dammit you should find a way to get your best shooters open looks so that you actually MAKE them.

All too often our gameplan seems to just be to have Matheny & Diggs (Turner & Frye before them...) chuck it up a dozen times a night and be happy that we win the games they make shots and lose the games they don't. No doubt these guys are good shooters and will have nights that they hit shots and we win easily. No doubt they should both probably sit down on nights like last night where they're not hitting them. But it'd be nice to see us do some things to get them easy catch and shoot looks, even if that's just an occasional thing to help them find a rhythm.

[Globetrotter]

This roster could win the MAC
This coaching staff can't

[Diemilkweed]

Agree with that entirely. We simply never do anything to get open shots. That we make ay of them means we have good individual players. But we are a lousy team.

I don't even know what Huger's offensive philosophy is. Dribble handoff after dribble handoff after dribble handoff into contested shot on the move. Why has this not changed? I could look up some plays on the internet and teach them to the guys, or hell, send them links and let them teach themselves - in a single blanking practice session.

And Huger cannot do it in 7 years.

[Globetrotter]

It's unwatchable basketball even if we win.

[Antimob]

One loss and the season is over.
5 minutes into the opening game and discussing firing the coach.
Tough to see we by the 50 year drought is so tough to break isn’t it?

I'm not a hoops fan at all but had to come here and read the posts after they lost. Of course I wasn't disappointed. Surprised no one here has had any health issues with all the knee jerk reactions. Same cast of characters doing it too, which is hardly surprising. Really supportive of the program.

They complain about losing in one breath and argue the University shouldn't spend any money on athletics to win in another. The schizophrenia is astonishing.

The same group that most strenuously argued for the removal of Chris Jans over something that warranted a 1 game suspension are the same people bitching about why we can't get to the NCAA tournament while he takes New Mexico State there almost every year. They want to have their cake and eat it too: smug moral superiority, pontificating about how no one should care or spend money on sports yet expect the teams to never lose at the same time.

[guest44]

Astonishing isn’t it? The money is basically stolen from students, and overspent regardless, therefore winning is the preferred outcome. That’s real rocket science.

[Falconfreak90]

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Yes...that and I would have preferred a hard foul on the drive to the basket instead of just stepping back to give them the layup. Make him earn the tie at the stripe instead of just walking in there
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Bingo. I understand all the negative Huger buzz, but five division 1 basketball players standing around watching the opposing team walk to the rim to tie the game with seconds left is just unfathomable.
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This. I watched and was stunned the guy just waltzed to the rim and scored.

[hammb]

One loss and the season is over.
5 minutes into the opening game and discussing firing the coach.
Tough to see we by the 50 year drought is so tough to break isn’t it?

I'm not a hoops fan at all but had to come here and read the posts after they lost. Of course I wasn't disappointed. Surprised no one here has had any health issues with all the knee jerk reactions. Same cast of characters doing it too, which is hardly surprising. Really supportive of the program.

They complain about losing in one breath and argue the University shouldn't spend any money on athletics to win in another. The schizophrenia is astonishing.

The same group that most strenuously argued for the removal of Chris Jans over something that warranted a 1 game suspension are the same people bitching about why we can't get to the NCAA tournament while he takes New Mexico State there almost every year. They want to have their cake and eat it too: smug moral superiority, pontificating about how no one should care or spend money on sports yet expect the teams to never lose at the same time.

1. Playing grab ass while drunk in a local bar absolutely warrants firing. Especially given the fact that it was widely reported that he had alcohol issues that were previously addressed. Sure, keeping him around would have been best for winning, but I fully believe you can both win AND represent the university the way you should in public.

2. The bitching about athletics expenditure is largely focused on football which costs a s**t ton of money and has absolutely zero chance of being relevant at the level in which they play. Nobody argues we shouldn't spend on sports like Hockey & Basketball that are not only far less expensive, actually DO have a reasonable chance at being relevant at the D1 level, and (this is a big one) actually have a history of pulling in money to justify their existence.

3. Any bitching over whether or not we WIN is already accepting the premise that we're going to spend the money to field a team. Mr. Frack donated money solely to attract a hot coaching candidate in Jans. After Jans was let go, we gave that same salary to a guy that nobody wanted or was even interviewing. We then gave him a raise and extension for no reason. I accept the premise we're going to make our basketball coach one of the top 5 highest paid in the conference (as Huger is), so I don't think it's asking that much for him to actually have a winning record in conference play (he does not). Even worse than the mediocre conference record, we've lost in the first round of the conference tournament more times than not.

[BleedOrange]

"1. Playing grab ass while drunk in a local bar absolutely warrants firing. Especially given the fact that it was widely reported that he had alcohol issues that were previously addressed. Sure, keeping him around would have been best for winning, but I fully believe you can both win AND represent the university the way you should in public."


Whether Jans actions THEMSELVES merited termination is debatable. Suspensions/fines may have been a better match to his actions. This is more of a narrowly legalistic perspective.

Further, if Jans did have an alcohol problem, then a (strict) treatment program is warranted. Addiction is a complex problem that sufferers have difficulty treating.

However, if Jans had been kept, the after-effects of his actions present complications. A very public act of apology and contrition would only partially help the undermining his moral authority as a leader of young men. The PR problems created the university, and BG men's basketball in particular, would have potentially hurt public perceptions, attendance, and recruiting. So, Jans had to go. I hope to hell that event straightened his ass out.

[BillyLP]

One loss and the season is over.
5 minutes into the opening game and discussing firing the coach.
Tough to see we by the 50 year drought is so tough to break isn’t it?

I'm not a hoops fan at all but had to come here and read the posts after they lost. Of course I wasn't disappointed. Surprised no one here has had any health issues with all the knee jerk reactions. Same cast of characters doing it too, which is hardly surprising. Really supportive of the program.

They complain about losing in one breath and argue the University shouldn't spend any money on athletics to win in another. The schizophrenia is astonishing.

The same group that most strenuously argued for the removal of Chris Jans over something that warranted a 1 game suspension are the same people bitching about why we can't get to the NCAA tournament while he takes New Mexico State there almost every year. They want to have their cake and eat it too: smug moral superiority, pontificating about how no one should care or spend money on sports yet expect the teams to never lose at the same time.

1. Playing grab ass while drunk in a local bar absolutely warrants firing. Especially given the fact that it was widely reported that he had alcohol issues that were previously addressed. Sure, keeping him around would have been best for winning, but I fully believe you can both win AND represent the university the way you should in public.

Wasn't it also pretty well established that 2/3 of the team had planned to transfer out because they found Jans to be kind of abusive in practice? I'm really glad he seems to straightened things out and is finding success as a coach, but he needed to go and get things under control after his year here. Letting him go was the right thing to do.

[hammb]

One loss and the season is over.
5 minutes into the opening game and discussing firing the coach.
Tough to see we by the 50 year drought is so tough to break isn’t it?

I'm not a hoops fan at all but had to come here and read the posts after they lost. Of course I wasn't disappointed. Surprised no one here has had any health issues with all the knee jerk reactions. Same cast of characters doing it too, which is hardly surprising. Really supportive of the program.

They complain about losing in one breath and argue the University shouldn't spend any money on athletics to win in another. The schizophrenia is astonishing.

The same group that most strenuously argued for the removal of Chris Jans over something that warranted a 1 game suspension are the same people bitching about why we can't get to the NCAA tournament while he takes New Mexico State there almost every year. They want to have their cake and eat it too: smug moral superiority, pontificating about how no one should care or spend money on sports yet expect the teams to never lose at the same time.

1. Playing grab ass while drunk in a local bar absolutely warrants firing. Especially given the fact that it was widely reported that he had alcohol issues that were previously addressed. Sure, keeping him around would have been best for winning, but I fully believe you can both win AND represent the university the way you should in public.

Wasn't it also pretty well established that 2/3 of the team had planned to transfer out because they found Jans to be kind of abusive in practice? I'm really glad he seems to straightened things out and is finding success as a coach, but he needed to go and get things under control after his year here. Letting him go was the right thing to do.

There were rumblings of that yes.

Not sure where to fall on that. I don't believe in coaches abusing players in practice of course, but at the same time the mentality of the team prior to Jans arrival was to basically just show up and see if God thought we should win that day. IT's quite possible, IMO, that it was simply the players weren't willing or used to putting up championship caliber effort. Maybe he was over the top (Urban probably was), but no doubt the team needed to get their asses kicked and getting some kids to leave probably wouldn't have been the worst thing (it wasn't when Urban did the same to the football team).

[Diemilkweed]

I was seriously proud of BGSU for firing Jans immediately.

Sexual assault is NOT a 1 game suspension offense. And the fact some people think it is shows how far we have yet to go. The swimmer who raped the girl behind the dumpster has a dad who has been quoted as "He shouldn't have to pay for 20 minutes of action for the rest of his life."

Well, bullshit. The victim sure is going to pay for that for the rest of her life, why shouldn't he?

Lettings Jans off with a warning or a 1 game suspension would tell every woman anywhere near BGSU or thinking of coming here that the university does not value their safety. That sexual assault is not taken at all seriously. That the basketball coach is more important than their personal agency.

[BleedOrange]

Sexual assault exists across a wide spectrum. On one end is leering. On the other is violent rape.

[Flipper]

Yes...that and I would have preferred a hard foul on the drive to the basket instead of just stepping back to give them the layup. Make him earn the tie at the stripe instead of just walking in there
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Bingo. I understand all the negative Huger buzz, but five division 1 basketball players standing around watching the opposing team walk to the rim to tie the game with seconds left is just unfathomable.
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This. I watched and was stunned the guy just waltzed to the rim and scored.
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It's almost like they thought it was a three point game...but that couldn't be it....could it?

I'm sorry...but anyone who thinks drunken sexual misconduct in public ...particularly in today's climate and when a AD donor is involved is going to get you anything but fired with cause is incredibly naïve

[Flipper]

I was seriously proud of BGSU for firing Jans immediately.

Sexual assault is NOT a 1 game suspension offense. And the fact some people think it is shows how far we have yet to go. The swimmer who raped the girl behind the dumpster has a dad who has been quoted as "He shouldn't have to pay for 20 minutes of action for the rest of his life."

Well, bullshit. The victim sure is going to pay for that for the rest of her life, why shouldn't he?

Lettings Jans off with a warning or a 1 game suspension would tell every woman anywhere near BGSU or thinking of coming here that the university does not value their safety. That sexual assault is not taken at all seriously. That the basketball coach is more important than their personal agency.

Damn straight!!!