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Roster next year and Recruiting needs.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:36 pm
by Globetrotter
I just wanted to take a quick look at next years roster and see where we might be looking in recruiting. Just basically spelling out the nearly obvious....
This includes Bobby Brady.
1 Hamblet 6-5 170 Sr.
2 Knight 6-5 190 Fr.
3 Miller 6-4 225 Jr.
4 Marschall 6-7 235 Jr.
5 Polk 6-9 285 So.
Bench
6 Moten 6-4 185 Jr. SG/SF
7 Clements 6-4 200 Jr. SG/SF
8 Larson 6-9 231 So. PF/C
9 Guerin 6-0 180 Jr. PG
10 Sims 6-1 170 So. SG/PG
11 Radivojevic 6-7 215 Jr. SF
2 spots seem to be open in recruiting. We seem set at SG and SF. As with most teams, we could use a ball handler and another post, probably the two hardest things to find. The problems at PG have been detailed thoroughly on these boards. We have a guy who can defend the point but is not a real distributor. We have a guy who is a major liability on defense but can do all of the little things offensively that we need. We basically have two very good backup pgs and no starter.
For some reason that lineup seems really exciting to me. Very tall and very easy to root for. Samarco's shooting woes and poor team play really seemed to wear alot of fans down. What we lost from this team was a great scorer and a great leader (Lefeld). I expect greater team play next year and I look forward to watching Nate Miller play for the next two years.
Re: Roster next year and Recruiting needs.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:02 pm
by BleedOrange
Globetrotter wrote:I just wanted to take a quick look at next years roster and see where we might be looking in recruiting. Just basically spelling out the nearly obvious....
This includes Bobby Brady.
1 Hamblet 6-5 170 Sr.
2 Knight 6-5 190 Fr.
3 Miller 6-4 225 Jr.
4 Marschall 6-7 235 Jr.
5 Polk 6-9 285 So.
Bench
6 Moten 6-4 185 Jr. SG/SF
7 Clements 6-4 200 Jr. SG/SF
8 Larson 6-9 231 So. PF/C
9 Guerin 6-0 180 Jr. PG
10 Sims 6-1 170 So. SG/PG
11 Radivojevic 6-7 215 Jr. SF
2 spots seem to be open in recruiting. We seem set at SG and SF. As with most teams, we could use a ball handler and another post, probably the two hardest things to find. The problems at PG have been detailed thoroughly on these boards. We have a guy who can defend the point but is not a real distributor. We have a guy who is a major liability on defense but can do all of the little things offensively that we need. We basically have two very good backup pgs and no starter.
For some reason that lineup seems really exciting to me. Very tall and very easy to root for. Samarco's shooting woes and poor team play really seemed to wear alot of fans down. What we lost from this team was a great scorer and a great leader (Lefeld). I expect greater team play next year and I look forward to watching Nate Miller play for the next two years.
Not bad. This is how I see it:
PG: I hope we recruit a quick JUCO who can defend and distribute
2G: Moten
SF: Miller
PF: Marcshall will be in a dogfight with Knight, who is closer to 6-6 or 6-7
C: Polk
Hamblet and the Marcshall/Knight non-starter will be the first two off of the bench. Sims, Guerin, Clements, and Larson will see varying minutes in the rotation depending on matchups and fouls. Rad should rarely see the court. Hopefully, we can get a JUCO around 6-7 or 6-8 that can defend and board.
I think we have good scoring, but we have serious holes to fill. We really need additional, veteran post depth, especially if Polk and Marcshall continue fouling so much. I think that we need another post more than a PG.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:46 pm
by commonsense
PG- Quick JUCO would be great
2G- Moten, Hamblett, Clements- in no certain order
SF- Knight, this guy can play, will be solid next year
PF- Miller
C- Marschall, Polk is not ready to play starter's minutes.
But with a new system and leadership, different guys might emerge and suprise everyone. That will be the most interesting part of the start of next season.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:00 pm
by Flipper
I think the 2G is Hamblet, Moten and Cements...and it's pretty clear in my mind
Knight will probably be the guy at SF....wouldn't suprose me to see Hamlet out there at times.
PF is Miller or Marschall....you could play small ball and play without a true center to get Marschall more minutes, but I really think he's more comfortable facing the basket.
Center... I suppose Polk, Marschal and Larson will divvy up the minutes. We need an actual center who can carry the load for an extended period. I don't like Marschall here, Larson isn't strong enough and seems to have aspirations to stay on the perimeter (from what I saw of him) and OP cannot be counted on for more than 15 minutes a night. We'd be in awesome shape if Otis could gain the conditioning and "finish" on his game...the kid has the physical gifts to be a real load...but...but...if the if's and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
We'll see what coach Orr gets out of the big man.
PG is....we don't have a starting PG...Guerin works for me as a back up. Sims....well...I don't know.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:06 pm
by transfer2BGSU
Flipper wrote:Center... I suppose Polk, Marschal and Larson will divvy up the minutes. We need an actual center who can carry the load for an extended period. I don't like Marschall here, Larson isn't strong enough and seems to have aspirations to stay on the perimeter (from what I saw of him) and OP cannot be counted on for more than 15 minutes a night. We'd be in awesome shape if Otis could gain the conditioning and "finish" on his game...the kid has the physical gifts to be a real load...but...but...if the if's and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
I look for a Merry Christmas as I think Otis is going to be surprising next year. I'm looking forward to seeing what Coach Orr is able to do with Otis as far as conditioning and practice goes.
Re: Roster next year and Recruiting needs.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:12 pm
by Globetrotter
[quote="Globetrotter"]I just wanted to take a quick look at next years roster and see where we might be looking in recruiting. Just basically spelling out the nearly obvious....
This includes Bobby Brady.
1 Hamblet 6-5 170 Sr.
2 Knight 6-5 190 Fr.
3 Miller 6-4 225 Jr.
4 Marschall 6-7 235 Jr.
5 Polk 6-9 285 So./Larson
Bench
6 Moten 6-4 185 Jr. SG/SF
7 Clements 6-4 200 Jr. SG/SF
8 Larson 6-9 231 So. PF/C
9 Guerin 6-0 180 Jr. PG
10 Sims 6-1 170 So. SG/PG
11 Radivojevic 6-7 215 Jr. SF
After seeing everyones posts on this I thought I should add a caveat to my list. I would love to have a PG that could start right away and allow us to move Hamblet to SG. he certainly belongs at another position...it just so happens that he currently is our best PG. With the players we have at hand I don't see how we can change much of that lineup up. Now if we get that PG that opens the door to moving Hamblet, at this point we are without a quality ball handler....IMO with our current 11, it has to be Hamblet.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:12 pm
by Globetrotter
I look for a Merry Christmas as I think Otis is going to be surprising next year. I'm looking forward to seeing what Coach Orr is able to do with Otis as far as conditioning and practice goes. [/color][/quote]
I think we will see the biggest progress from Otis and Larson.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:25 pm
by hammb
transfer2BGSU wrote:Flipper wrote:Center... I suppose Polk, Marschal and Larson will divvy up the minutes. We need an actual center who can carry the load for an extended period. I don't like Marschall here, Larson isn't strong enough and seems to have aspirations to stay on the perimeter (from what I saw of him) and OP cannot be counted on for more than 15 minutes a night. We'd be in awesome shape if Otis could gain the conditioning and "finish" on his game...the kid has the physical gifts to be a real load...but...but...if the if's and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
I look for a Merry Christmas as I think Otis is going to be surprising next year. I'm looking forward to seeing what Coach Orr is able to do with Otis as far as conditioning and practice goes.
Me too.
Otis has the talent to be a dominant big man in the MAC. He's now got a HC who was an outstanding college post player and had an 8 year NBA career. I think he can make a big difference with OP.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:04 pm
by BleedOrange
hammb wrote:transfer2BGSU wrote:Flipper wrote:Center... I suppose Polk, Marschal and Larson will divvy up the minutes. We need an actual center who can carry the load for an extended period. I don't like Marschall here, Larson isn't strong enough and seems to have aspirations to stay on the perimeter (from what I saw of him) and OP cannot be counted on for more than 15 minutes a night. We'd be in awesome shape if Otis could gain the conditioning and "finish" on his game...the kid has the physical gifts to be a real load...but...but...if the if's and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
I look for a Merry Christmas as I think Otis is going to be surprising next year. I'm looking forward to seeing what Coach Orr is able to do with Otis as far as conditioning and practice goes.
Me too.
Otis has the talent to be a dominant big man in the MAC. He's now got a HC who was an outstanding college post player and had an 8 year NBA career. I think he can make a big difference with OP.
I'm on board, too. OP has the physical talent to be one of the top big men in the league. What I also noticed was his high basketball IQ. The primary reason he didnt see major minutes last year was that he would get in foul trouble incredibly quickly. I'm hoping that that had something to do with DD's system (and also with Marcshall).
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:09 pm
by OptionQB
Is it possible that we have 3 scholarships open if Guerin doesn't get one? I would fill at least 2 and perhaps save one for next season when we can only add one spot. Then we get to see Coach Orr's midwest ties in action as he fills 5 spots.
Until we add the recruiting class, this is my top 5:
PG Clements
SG Hamblet
SF Knight (I'll take Dan's word)
PF Miller (undersized, but physical enough for it and more athletic than Marschall)
C Three headed monster a la the 6 time champion Bulls
I think this is a make it or break it season for Moten. I can really see him breaking out in 07/08. I think he will thrive in an open court game.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:12 pm
by orangeandbrown
OptionQB wrote:Is it possible that we have 3 scholarships open if Guerin doesn't get one?
Yes, that is the situation.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 10:14 pm
by Globetrotter
OptionQB wrote:Is it possible that we have 3 scholarships open if Guerin doesn't get one? I would fill at least 2 and perhaps save one for next season when we can only add one spot. Then we get to see Coach Orr's midwest ties in action as he fills 5 spots.
Until we add the recruiting class, this is my top 5:
PG Clements
SG Hamblet
SF Knight (I'll take Dan's word)
PF Miller (undersized, but physical enough for it and more athletic than Marschall)
C Three headed monster a la the 6 time champion Bulls
I think this is a make it or break it season for Moten. I can really see him breaking out in 07/08. I think he will thrive in an open court game.
No reason to eat a schollie, but that may be a good idea. Tell Guerin he has one this year but maybe not next.
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:42 pm
by Rollo83
BleedOrange wrote:hammb wrote:transfer2BGSU wrote:Flipper wrote:Center... I suppose Polk, Marschal and Larson will divvy up the minutes. We need an actual center who can carry the load for an extended period. I don't like Marschall here, Larson isn't strong enough and seems to have aspirations to stay on the perimeter (from what I saw of him) and OP cannot be counted on for more than 15 minutes a night. We'd be in awesome shape if Otis could gain the conditioning and "finish" on his game...the kid has the physical gifts to be a real load...but...but...if the if's and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
I look for a Merry Christmas as I think Otis is going to be surprising next year. I'm looking forward to seeing what Coach Orr is able to do with Otis as far as conditioning and practice goes.
Me too.
Otis has the talent to be a dominant big man in the MAC. He's now got a HC who was an outstanding college post player and had an 8 year NBA career. I think he can make a big difference with OP.
I'm on board, too. OP has the physical talent to be one of the top big men in the league. What I also noticed was his high basketball IQ. The primary reason he didnt see major minutes last year was that he would get in foul trouble incredibly quickly. I'm hoping that that had something to do with DD's system (and also with Marcshall).
You can't have it both ways. I guy with a high basketball IQ doesn't commit the silly fouls that Otis did last year. A high IQ player stays on the floor more than 5 minutes without picking up three fouls...no matter what type of defensive system you're running. I love Otis' potential but he has to play smarter and stay on the floor next year. I think that will come with experience and maturity. But he played like a freshman this year...not someone with a high basketball IQ.
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:28 am
by BleedOrange
Rollo83 wrote:BleedOrange wrote:hammb wrote:transfer2BGSU wrote:Flipper wrote:Center... I suppose Polk, Marschal and Larson will divvy up the minutes. We need an actual center who can carry the load for an extended period. I don't like Marschall here, Larson isn't strong enough and seems to have aspirations to stay on the perimeter (from what I saw of him) and OP cannot be counted on for more than 15 minutes a night. We'd be in awesome shape if Otis could gain the conditioning and "finish" on his game...the kid has the physical gifts to be a real load...but...but...if the if's and buts were candies and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas.
I look for a Merry Christmas as I think Otis is going to be surprising next year. I'm looking forward to seeing what Coach Orr is able to do with Otis as far as conditioning and practice goes.
Me too.
Otis has the talent to be a dominant big man in the MAC. He's now got a HC who was an outstanding college post player and had an 8 year NBA career. I think he can make a big difference with OP.
I'm on board, too. OP has the physical talent to be one of the top big men in the league. What I also noticed was his high basketball IQ. The primary reason he didnt see major minutes last year was that he would get in foul trouble incredibly quickly. I'm hoping that that had something to do with DD's system (and also with Marcshall).
You can't have it both ways. I guy with a high basketball IQ doesn't commit the silly fouls that Otis did last year. A high IQ player stays on the floor more than 5 minutes without picking up three fouls...no matter what type of defensive system you're running. I love Otis' potential but he has to play smarter and stay on the floor next year. I think that will come with experience and maturity. But he played like a freshman this year...not someone with a high basketball IQ.
Yeah, I knew someone would point that out. I'm hoping that OP's fouls are not due to a lack of smarts, but more an issue of a) his body fat, b) basic defensive skill (still emerging but not there yet), and c) adjusting to D1. Beyond the fouls, he's shown some good instincts on both ends of the floor that make me believe that he's been well coached and has a good basketball head.
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:37 am
by Flipper
Otis is a bit "theatric". He needs to learn that you stand a much better chance of getting called for a foul if you're swatting at the ball when you try to block a shot than if you just go up and block it with a straight arm.