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The Blade is reporting Gary Waters has expressed interest in the Toldeo job. Please don't let the Rockets AD be smart enough to make this hire. This is the guy I wanted instead of Orr. Gary is a helluva guy, great coach and builder of basketball programs.

Rollo83 wrote:The Blade is reporting Gary Waters has expressed interest in the Toldeo job. Please don't let the Rockets AD be smart enough to make this hire. This is the guy I wanted instead of Orr. Gary is a helluva guy, great coach and builder of basketball programs.

I agree. We all know what he's done at Kent State and Cleveland State....this wouldn't be good "for us" but it would for Toledo.

Never underestimate the power of Toledo to righteously screw-up a good thing.

Waters is a fine coach but has some issues that would downgrade him as a candidate. He's 58 and couldn't get Rutgers to the NCAA tournament in 5 years. (Orr made the tourney twice with Seton Hall)

Their list seems to be filled with unrealistic reaches and/or washouts whose teams lost prodigiously the last time they sat in the head coaching chair.

JoeFalcon wrote:Their list seems to be filled with unrealistic reaches and/or washouts whose teams lost prodigiously the last time they sat in the head coaching chair.

And we have issues with his?

JoeFalcon wrote:Waters is a fine coach but has some issues that would downgrade him as a candidate. He's 58 and couldn't get Rutgers to the NCAA tournament in 5 years. (Orr made the tourney twice with Seton Hall)

Their list seems to be filled with unrealistic reaches and/or washouts whose teams lost prodigiously the last time they sat in the head coaching chair.

I don't care what they did at Rutgers and Seton Hall...or that Orr's 6 years younger than Waters. Gary Waters built Kent State and Cleveland State into winners. He can coach Orr silly many times over IMO.

Rollo83 wrote:

JoeFalcon wrote:Waters is a fine coach but has some issues that would downgrade him as a candidate. He's 58 and couldn't get Rutgers to the NCAA tournament in 5 years. (Orr made the tourney twice with Seton Hall)

Their list seems to be filled with unrealistic reaches and/or washouts whose teams lost prodigiously the last time they sat in the head coaching chair.

I don't care what they did at Rutgers and Seton Hall...or that Orr's 6 years younger than Waters. Gary Waters built Kent State and Cleveland State into winners. He can coach Orr silly many times over IMO.

Their overlapping tenure at both schools is rather germane to the discussion at hand. Waters and Orr both led Big East programs in New Jersey at the same time for 5 years. Orr had a better overall record, a better conference record and was 6-4 head to head against Waters in addition to making the NCAA Tournament twice at Seton Hall in comparison to 0 for Rutgers.

There’s no doubt Waters is a heckuva coach and has had great success coaching NE Ohio based programs, but the Orr bashing just doesn’t hold water.

Would this be more than a lateral move?

cw08 wrote:Would this be more than a lateral move?

No it wouldn't. Cleveland State has actually been to the NCAA tournament in the last (insert year amount here) years. The Horizon League competitively speaking is on level ground with the MAC nowadays. The budget is probably higher in the MAC, but I would have to believe that Cleveland State isn't that much behind Toledo in total amount spent on their program considering that they don't have football.

Oh, and as far as location goes, Cleveland > Toledo.

bgsufalcon24 wrote:

cw08 wrote:Would this be more than a lateral move?

No it wouldn't. Cleveland State has actually been to the NCAA tournament in the last (insert year amount here) years. The Horizon League competitively speaking is on level ground with the MAC nowadays. The budget is probably higher in the MAC, but I would have to believe that Cleveland State isn't that much behind Toledo in total amount spent on their program considering that they don't have football.

Oh, and as far as location goes, Cleveland > Toledo.

toledo has football?

Falconfreak90 wrote:

bgsufalcon24 wrote:

cw08 wrote:Would this be more than a lateral move?

No it wouldn't. Cleveland State has actually been to the NCAA tournament in the last (insert year amount here) years. The Horizon League competitively speaking is on level ground with the MAC nowadays. The budget is probably higher in the MAC, but I would have to believe that Cleveland State isn't that much behind Toledo in total amount spent on their program considering that they don't have football.

Oh, and as far as location goes, Cleveland > Toledo.

toledo has football?

BOOM! Roasted!

Falconfreak90 wrote:

bgsufalcon24 wrote:

cw08 wrote:Would this be more than a lateral move?

No it wouldn't. Cleveland State has actually been to the NCAA tournament in the last (insert year amount here) years. The Horizon League competitively speaking is on level ground with the MAC nowadays. The budget is probably higher in the MAC, but I would have to believe that Cleveland State isn't that much behind Toledo in total amount spent on their program considering that they don't have football.

Oh, and as far as location goes, Cleveland > Toledo.

toledo has football?

Yes they do and they have the pole barn to prove it.