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Went and looked this up for a reddit post yesterday. I knew we were behind on this, but didn't realize it was THIS bad. Even the schools that were complete laughing stocks when I started going to BGSU games in the late 70's have completely blown our doors off in total history now.

Then go look at the "player of the year" players for the conference. Look at their stats. After the turn of the century, the stats, and the player qualities frankly, really dropped off.

The entire conference in circling the drain and we STILL cannot win it.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/aw ... c-poy.html

I've been saying this for awhile. For quite some time the players of the year were always NBA guys or at least long time pros. At least until the mid '00s

The last decade or more are mostly all guys that even die hard Mac fans will struggle to remember.

I'm the past I've been met with people saying that producing NBA talent is not indicative of how good the conference is. Truth is the overall quality of the conference had dropped in the past 2 decades, and we've lost ground even in that decline.

As my friend asks me: "Is BG basketball worth the emotional commitment?"

Perhaps our commitment to this program is absurd? If the university doesn't care about winning, how can we justify our cycles caring about the program? What are we doing here?

BleedOrange wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 2:01 pm As my friend asks me: "Is BG basketball worth the emotional commitment?"

Perhaps our commitment to this program is absurd? If the university doesn't care about winning, how can we justify our cycles caring about the program? What are we doing here?

I unfortunately stopped caring long ago. I haven't watched a game at the Stroh. Haven't been to a football game in years. I go to hockey games occasionally mostly due to the friendships made on this board. Otherwise I've checked out. Athletics has fallen off a cliff since I went to BG. The department doesn't seem to care, they're getting paid.

If I wanted to be depressed about BG basketball, I would watch a game.

Maybe it’s like the movie Major League…maybe Rodney Rodgers thinks that if BG loses enough he can move the University to somewhere in Florida?
The only difference from the movie is…his plan is working.

mbenecke wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 7:53 pm If I wanted to be depressed about BG basketball, I would watch a game.

I was trying to keep it within the guidelines set forth by the Geneva Convention.

Remember all the optimism when the Stroh Center was built? The program just needed a new facility. Then Bowling Green State University had Louis Orr and Michael Huger coach for a decade in the facility to negate all optimism.

Tricky_Falcon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:10 pm I unfortunately stopped caring long ago. I haven't watched a game at the Stroh. Haven't been to a football game in years. I go to hockey games occasionally mostly due to the friendships made on this board. Otherwise I've checked out. Athletics has fallen off a cliff since I went to BG. The department doesn't seem to care, they're getting paid.

Is this actually true or is it time romanticizing the past? Yes, football has had a down era since Babers left, but they've had bad years/decades/coaching tenures before. Basketball has been a massive disappointment over the last couple of seasons (or I suppose since 1968), but basketball has been competitive (albeit less so than they should) since the Jans season aside from two years. Hockey made it back to the tournament a few years ago and had a down year but have largely been competitive in conference. "Non-revenue" sports like men's and women's soccer have had some GREAT seasons and stretches.

I don't want to give the impression that I'm settling. I think things should be and could be much better, but I'm just asking if things have really "fallen off a cliff."

BillyLP wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:15 am

Tricky_Falcon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 3:10 pm I unfortunately stopped caring long ago. I haven't watched a game at the Stroh. Haven't been to a football game in years. I go to hockey games occasionally mostly due to the friendships made on this board. Otherwise I've checked out. Athletics has fallen off a cliff since I went to BG. The department doesn't seem to care, they're getting paid.

Is this actually true or is it time romanticizing the past? Yes, football has had a down era since Babers left, but they've had bad years/decades/coaching tenures before. Basketball has been a massive disappointment over the last couple of seasons (or I suppose since 1968), but basketball has been competitive (albeit less so than they should) since the Jans season aside from two years. Hockey made it back to the tournament a few years ago and had a down year but have largely been competitive in conference. "Non-revenue" sports like men's and women's soccer have had some GREAT seasons and stretches.

I don't want to give the impression that I'm settling. I think things should be and could be much better, but I'm just asking if things have really "fallen off a cliff."

Yes it was hyperbole. The athletics department didn't literally fall off a cliff.

I attended BG from 2001-2005. Those were the Urban Meyer and Gregg Brandon years (College Gameday, Beating Big 10 teams on the road, etc.). Basketball was good during Dakich's first go-around and was actually exciting to watch. The team beat Michigan at home and a few of the talking heads thought BG should've received an auto bid to the tournament.
I'm comparing that time to now. In my opinion (It very well could be romanticizing the past) athletics isn't close to those days. There were plenty of faults but there was winning. You had students attend games and were excited to be there (sure we had Ohio State fans leave games). I'm removed from the student atmosphere now but I have a hard time believing they are as excited about attending games as students were 20 years ago. The exception being hockey.

We aren't relevant in any of the big sports right now. The MAC isn't exactly the B1G in terms of national or even regional prominence and we aren't relevant in this second rate conference.

I don't think "fallen off a cliff" is particularly hyperbolic

This is the worst stretch of football in my time. Current basketball is just a more expensive version of the Louis Orr era. Just wasting time and money until the inevitable happens. By far the most incompetent athletic director that has ever stepped foot on campus. Add in social media, and the least self awareness BGSU has experienced. No standards.

guest44 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:47 am This is the worst stretch of football in my time. Current basketball is just a more expensive version of the Louis Orr era. Just wasting time and money until the inevitable happens. By far the most incompetent athletic director that has ever stepped foot on campus. Add in social media, and the least self awareness BGSU has experienced. No standards.

I'm gonna say Kingston has Moose beat by a pretty wide margin there.

Atleast Kingston knew when it was time to change careers. Neither should or likely will ever be an athletic director again after they leave BGSU.

Kingston blew the Jinks hire obviously. Huger hire is probably bad as well. The real crime on Huger is the unwarranted extensions. Kingston took off because he wanted to improve some things facility wise and expected the University to assist financially.

I know he came up with a plan to turf baseball, soccer, softball, and i think one of the practice FB fields. Was hoping to pay for it with the money saved from maintenance costs they were currently paying for upkeep on those facilities. When he asked the University for the money upfront to get the project rolling, they denied it. Told him he’d have to raise money upfront if he wanted to complete the project.

Also heard a story about Dino Babers wanting the fence around the football practice fields. They announced private donations would pay for it, but they couldn’t find anyone interested in paying for a fence. Athletics payed for all of it and it was more expensive than they though it would be.
As far as a better AD. It’s not even close. His issue was limited budget and a donor pool that was minimal and had basically been sucked dry from Stroh Center and Sebo Center. I guess he didn’t want to fight that fight.

Moosbrugger on the other hand isn’t competent…literally they could grab anyone with even a little experience in college athletics or management and they’d do a better job.