Seniors

[Globetrotter]

No one knows anything about who has eligibility left but here are the 5 seniors that they listed for Sr night

2⃣ Leon Ayers III
1⃣2⃣ Isaac Elsasser
1⃣3⃣ Chandler Turner
2⃣1⃣ Madani Diarra
2⃣ Gabe O'Neal

[Globetrotter]

Notable that Mills and Curtis not listed

This would be the squad barring any transfers etc.

2023-2024
1 Metheny 5-11 So 6.2p 2.8a 21.6(3%) 24.7m Lightfoot 6-0 Fr
2 Mills 6-3 Sr 4.4p 21.9(3%) 20.9m McComb 6-3 Fr
3 Curtis 6-4 SR 9.5p 3r 3.1a 33(3%) 22.5m
4 Agee 6-8 Jr 20.1pg 11.5rpg 35(3%) Felt 6-9 Fr
5 Towns 6-9 Jr Xfer Etim 6-8 Fr

People say we don't have talent. I couldn't disagree more. That team well coached is a middle of the road MAC team. Plus youd have 4 scholarships to give.

[fanatic13]

On the players page they list years of eligibility and only oneal and Ayers are listed as their last year. Obviously anyone can leave or graduate but that's officially the only two that can't stay

[Hammer]

I couldn’t disagree more that those players have much talent. None of those guys can score on a regular basis let alone play any defense. Anyone can have flashes of looking good but the difference in Div I talent is they can consistently perform.

[Globetrotter]

I couldn’t disagree more that those players have much talent. None of those guys can score on a regular basis let alone play any defense. Anyone can have flashes of looking good but the difference in Div I talent is they can consistently perform.

Metheny has scored 8 in 18 games this year
Curtis has scored in double figures 21 time this year
Agee has 8 or more points in 18 games this year
Mills has shown up as a decent scorer since entering the starting lineup
Towns can easily be 8/10 and 6 guy.

All with weird lineups, injuries, limited minutes and with Ayers dominating the shooting

Then you'd have essentially 4 freshman as backups 2 with big upside.

Ricardo Greer is going to win us the conference next year.

[hammb]

This talk of talent always comes up and I always fall on the other side from Globe. I readily admit our coaching is abysmal and the players could all be better than what they look under this leadership. Still, I just don't see anybody worth a damn. Numbers are pointless, most of ours are hollow. Agee and Matheny are the only 2 guys I've seen on the year playing net positive basketball and Agee has really started to tail off as the season went off the rails.

To be perfectly honest if every single member of this roster transferred out tomorrow I wouldn't care one bit about losing any of them. And I think you could just as easily bring in a new roster of transfers and be just as fine with that group of randoms as you are with this one (hell most of these contributors are transfers anyhow).

Mills is a warm body...he has not at all shown to be a "decent scorer" since entering the starting lineup. He has 2 double digit point games as a starter averaging a whopping 6.7 points. shooting a respecatble 45%, but basically never gets to the line so he's scoring a horrid 1.03 points per shot.

Towns is another body. As you'd expect with a reasonably athletic big he put up some stats against the sisters of the poor OOC schedule we played but in MAC play, as a starter, he's averaging 5.8 ppg, 4.3 rbg.

Turner's the same warm body now he has always been. Slightly more production ,but playing more minutes, so a wash.

Agee is an energy guy. At the start of MAC season he was producing and playing well. For the February swoon he's been pretty bad. He definitely deserves a big chunk of the blame for being where we are...his quality play was a major driving factor in the little success we had. Whether his play has declined because the team is sucking or if the team is sucking because of his decline is debatable, but either way it's bad. And really at his best he's an undersized energy big man who can get the crowd going with some nice dunks. He's not, nor ever likely to be, an All MAC caliber big.

Ayers & Curtis are what they are. They're stat fillers that are both a tremendous net negative on the basketball court. They don't care about defense, they don't care to do anything team oriented in an offense? Talented? I suppose, and maybe a good coach could get something useful out of them, but I've seen nothing that makes me ever want to see either in a BG uniform again. They've never been on a decent college team. Not sure about Ayers, but Curtis's HS teams were no good either, even with him winning Mr. Basketball.

Matheny is fine, I guess? He's basically just a low volume PG with an efficient jumpshot. He's very limited athletically and size wise so he's really terrible going towards the rim. He has good enough hands to contribute with steals defensively but his size and slow feet will always keep him as a liability on that end.


To be perfectly kind I don't think there is a player on this roster that would start on BSU, UT, or KSU. Maybe a GOOD coach could come in here and get this group of guys to be in the middle of the MAC, but that's not exactly a major achievement, the middle of the conference is pretty mediocre and coaching DOES matter. But this is mostly just a rag tag group of transfers with varying levels of ability. A good coach could just as easily jettison all of these guys and get a different group of rag tag transfers to the middle of the conference.

[Hammer]

Huger said in the post game that they run plays and the guys refuse to make the pass or give it to the open man. Now that is 100% on the coach but you can see it in the game. These guys are low IQ basketball players. Methaney and Elsasser will make the correct pass. I think that’s why Elsasser has played. He’s often in the right spot on the floor as well and doesn’t take a bunch of low percentage shots.

These guys are poorly coached but with zero coaching they should understand how to play the game. Even when they do the right thing or make the correct drive they miss the shot. They make it look really difficult to put a ball through a hoop and then choose not to play defense on the other end. It’s painful to watch.

[hammb]

Yes our basketball IQ is really bad. Ayers had multiple times yesterday where he passed up good shots to dribble some extra (never giving up the ball of course) and took a far worse shot 6s later.

Curtis took an open wing 3 on one second half possession yesterday, but the one extra pass would have had Matheny wide ass open in the corner. Smart players give up good shots to get their teammates great ones. Especially when said teammate shoots about 15 percentage points higher from deep...

[Globetrotter]

This talk of talent always comes up and I always fall on the other side from Globe. I readily admit our coaching is abysmal and the players could all be better than what they look under this leadership. Still, I just don't see anybody worth a damn. Numbers are pointless, most of ours are hollow. Agee and Matheny are the only 2 guys I've seen on the year playing net positive basketball and Agee has really started to tail off as the season went off the rails.

To be perfectly honest if every single member of this roster transferred out tomorrow I wouldn't care one bit about losing any of them. And I think you could just as easily bring in a new roster of transfers and be just as fine with that group of randoms as you are with this one (hell most of these contributors are transfers anyhow).

Mills is a warm body...he has not at all shown to be a "decent scorer" since entering the starting lineup. He has 2 double digit point games as a starter averaging a whopping 6.7 points. shooting a respecatble 45%, but basically never gets to the line so he's scoring a horrid 1.03 points per shot.

Towns is another body. As you'd expect with a reasonably athletic big he put up some stats against the sisters of the poor OOC schedule we played but in MAC play, as a starter, he's averaging 5.8 ppg, 4.3 rbg.

Turner's the same warm body now he has always been. Slightly more production ,but playing more minutes, so a wash.

Agee is an energy guy. At the start of MAC season he was producing and playing well. For the February swoon he's been pretty bad. He definitely deserves a big chunk of the blame for being where we are...his quality play was a major driving factor in the little success we had. Whether his play has declined because the team is sucking or if the team is sucking because of his decline is debatable, but either way it's bad. And really at his best he's an undersized energy big man who can get the crowd going with some nice dunks. He's not, nor ever likely to be, an All MAC caliber big.

Ayers & Curtis are what they are. They're stat fillers that are both a tremendous net negative on the basketball court. They don't care about defense, they don't care to do anything team oriented in an offense? Talented? I suppose, and maybe a good coach could get something useful out of them, but I've seen nothing that makes me ever want to see either in a BG uniform again. They've never been on a decent college team. Not sure about Ayers, but Curtis's HS teams were no good either, even with him winning Mr. Basketball.

Matheny is fine, I guess? He's basically just a low volume PG with an efficient jumpshot. He's very limited athletically and size wise so he's really terrible going towards the rim. He has good enough hands to contribute with steals defensively but his size and slow feet will always keep him as a liability on that end.


To be perfectly kind I don't think there is a player on this roster that would start on BSU, UT, or KSU. Maybe a GOOD coach could come in here and get this group of guys to be in the middle of the MAC, but that's not exactly a major achievement, the middle of the conference is pretty mediocre and coaching DOES matter. But this is mostly just a rag tag group of transfers with varying levels of ability. A good coach could just as easily jettison all of these guys and get a different group of rag tag transfers to the middle of the conference.

We have all seen far less talented teams than this here. With good coaching we have the best big combo in the MAC. Metheny has recaptured his touch and Mills went from a complete nonfactor to someone who adds solid shooting/spacing now. Curtis I agree is annoying but he can score. It's all basketball IQ and efficiency issues. FWIW Agee starts for every team in the MAC. With a better coach he is probably first team all MAC.

Every player on the court can't be a star. It's not how teams are built nor should they be built. There is one basketball.

[hammb]

We have all seen far less talented teams than this here. With good coaching we have the best big combo in the MAC. Metheny has recaptured his touch and Mills went from a complete nonfactor to someone who adds solid shooting/spacing now. Curtis I agree is annoying but he can score. It's all basketball IQ and efficiency issues. FWIW Agee starts for every team in the MAC. With a better coach he is probably first team all MAC.

Every player on the court can't be a star. It's not how teams are built nor should they be built. There is one basketball.

I guess, to me the IQ & efficiency things are still part of talent. Sure guys like Curtis & Ayers have more physical talent than many of the teams we had under Orr, but I'm not convinced you can teach guys like that to play differently. I think it's a self fulfilling prophecy. Huger let's guys play that selfish style of basketball and attracts guys who have physical tools but not the mental aspects of the game. We THINK they're talented, but if they were actually coached to play "the right way" would they be able to do it or would they simply leave? Would asking them to make better choices on the court hamstring the physical abilities? I lean on the fact that these guys came from other programs where they also couldn't turn those physical tools into playing winning basketball.

Also, I get your point about not having stars at every position. AFAIC we have stars at no positions. I think in comparing the roles, etc, the guys we trot out there are below the role players on the better teams in this conference. And while we all know he SHOULD be starting, I do find it humorous you said Agee starts for every team in the MAC when he doesn't even start for THIS team in the MAC

[Flipper]

Curtis and Ayers remind me of Jordan Crawford and the Apostrophe (AKA The C&C Airball Machine). Talented guys who score some points while actually playing awful basketball. I honestly think Chandler Turner has the mindset and ability to be a pretty good MAC player...but no one has developed his talent

[hammb]

Curtis and Ayers remind me of Jordan Crawford and the Apostrophe (AKA The C&C Airball Machine). Talented guys who score some points while actually playing awful basketball. I honestly think Chandler Turner has the mindset and ability to be a pretty good MAC player...but no one has developed his talent

I'm with you. Their stats are their stats, but they make the wrong basketball plays so frequently I just don't think they're good players. On top teams in the MAC they'd be bench scorers that would get quickly sat down if they tried to play their current style. You just can't win with your primary ball handlers playing the way they do.

[maskedopining]

I really don’t care about this roster at all. If we do this right, (1) we fire Huger, (2) the roster mostly hits the transfer portal and (3) our new coach hits the transfer portal effectively to move things in a different direction.

I’m not saying I like how transitory things are now, but that is the cold, hard reality. If our administration doesn’t like it that way, move out of division 1 athletics.

[BleedOrange]

I really don’t care about this roster at all. If we do this right, (1) we fire Huger, (2) the roster mostly hits the transfer portal and (3) our new coach hits the transfer portal effectively to move things in a different direction.

I’m not saying I like how transitory things are now, but that is the cold, hard reality. If our administration doesn’t like it that way, move out of division 1 athletics.

I'm starting the question the wisdom of going thru the transfer portal. With the new transfer rule, players are incentivized to transfer to new situations with strictly self-serving motivations rather than a desire to invest in a program and grow.

Say whatever you want about Hugor, but last year we brought in two a$$holes, Gordon and Reece. This year, Ayers and Curtis play like there are no consequences for selfish, lazy play. Neither perform with any sense of investment in the team or program.

[BillyLP]

Say whatever you want about Hugor, but last year we brought in two a$$holes, Gordon and Reece. This year, Ayers and Curtis play like there are no consequences for selfish, lazy play. Neither perform with any sense of investment in the team or program.

Not fair to say that about Reece. By all accounts he was a good teammate that liked being at BG and was playing really well. His family also seemed really supportive and friendly. He's also starting and playing extremely well for a solid Duquesne team that would wipe the floor with BG. Huger used him as a scapegoat during one of his temper tantrums.

I also disagree with including Ayers in here. He has a selfish style, but he's also, without question, the best player on the team. I have no doubt that a big part of the lack of success the last two seasons lies solely within the coaching, not the personnel.

(I do agree that Gordon and Curtis have not been great additions, though. Curtis still has a chance if he returns for a second year.)