Let's have a little fun with this, how'd you run a playoff??

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:59 pm

Somebody ought to go back and read the one post most have ignored so far, where I suggested an idea.

One of the annual points I make, is that you can't really compare the basketball tourney and a proposed football system. Apples and oranges. In any case, BGSU has failed to get the job done for each of its four past NCAA appearances, which includes TWO home games that I had to watch. Yes, its exciting, its fun, and what mattered to me from that year was that they won the MAC, not that they got to an NCAA tournament game. Basketball doesn't really have a counter-part to the football bowl game.

Why I really dislike banter about creating a playoff, centers on how somebody inevitably pisses in MY pool, by trying to foist on us the idea that bowl games don't mean anything, or are inferior to bowl games. That is to me as irritating as I'm sure my occasionally roughly made comments are to them.

Personally, I think my idea does a lot to sooth the desire for a playoff, without doing any damage to what matters to most people. (oh wait, I used the word most, somebody might take offense.) I almost died laughing at a poll USA Today related a few years ago, that said a sharp majority didn't think a playoff was needed. So flip a coin. In a given year, depending on when and how such a question is posed, you'll get different answers.

Ultimately, if there were such a burning cry from the masses for a playoff, we'd have one. I don't see marches on Washington decrying the lack of one.

BourbonFalcon · Post by **BourbonFalcon** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:04 pm

I think the revenue sharing among teams (if I correctly understand how it would work) that would result from a sanctioned playoff system far outweighs the benefits of the bowl system. Just for making the first round I would have to think be more of a financial reward for MAC schools than what we have now! Please correct my thinking if I'm wrong

ChicagoFalcon · Post by **ChicagoFalcon** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:16 pm

I agree with JacobsforHeisman on the playoff thingy...not only would we get more exposure to playing the big boyz on the block, but the monies would be divided out more evenly amongst all the conferences (not only the elite 6 hawking up $170 million of the $175 million generated yearly).

ChicagoFalcon · Post by **ChicagoFalcon** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:17 pm

BourbonFalcon, your correct with your statement.

FalconFanKM · Post by **FalconFanKM** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:20 pm

I agree with what everybody has said about having 32 teams. That way, you get all of the Top 25 in plus the at large bids...

When will people realize that you need a playoff system...

BG SBall Fan · Post by **BG SBall Fan** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:37 pm

ChicagoFalcon thank you for posting that site. That is what I expected out of this topic. I didn't start this to hear why it wouldn't work. I started this topic to hear ideas on how people on here would run a playoff system. There is too much bitching about how or why it wouldn't work. Again I refer you back to name of the topic..."Let's have a little a fun, how would you run a playoff" not how to whine about everything. Next time go with the topic, not your own little ranting way.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:59 pm

Contrive a system, and somebody will make it work. Try something more along the lines of what I did suggest, it would work better and make more people happy. And if you don't like a thread going astray now and then, don't bother posting at all.

BG SBall Fan · Post by **BG SBall Fan** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:15 am

I was perfectly fine with you posting ur own opinions on what you wanted for the college football postseason. But when you cut up other people's ideas is when I get easily annoyed. So you go ahead and say it's a waste of time yet you've posted on this topic how many times? Just trying to have a little fun. And coming from someone who's been through a college season and been to a bowl, I know personally that going to a cheap bowl game isn't as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. I would have preferred a playoff system. But that's just me. The football team sees no money from a bowl game. The Motor City bowl paid something around $275,000. Which was then split between each school in the MAC, then given to each non-revenue sport here. The football team didn't see a cent of that. A pay out from going to a playoff for a MAC school will pay out much more than any bowl we could possibly make it to. Then maybe we wouldn't be sitting here wondering where the funding is going to come from for the SEBO Center. So go ahead and tell me how wrong I am now because I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about at all...

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:40 am

orangeandbrown wrote:And four MAC teams would never make the post-season, as we are being told could happen this bowl season. We'd never even get three....or two.

Excellent point.

If we could just break up the BCS and this myth of a national championship, I'd be happiest.

On the other hand, it *might* be easier for MAC schools to recruit with an automatic bid to a 16-team playoff.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:42 am

BGorDeath wrote:I just want the Blue Bonnet Bowl back.

Germainfitch1 · Post by **Germainfitch1** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:36 am

orangeandbrown wrote:And four MAC teams would never make the post-season, as we are being told could happen this bowl season. We'd never even get three....or two.

Why can't you have the bowls at the same time of the tournament?

1 game matters now and we have 27 other bowls. If a few more games matter then that is not reson enough to cancel all the other bowl games.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:16 pm

I don't think your right, but obviously that is a matter of perspective. The theme of these annual debates tends to be that I and those that don't want a playoff absolutely don't agree with those that absolutely don't agree with us. Mostly it is a routine of beating heads against another's brick wall.

I don't think there is much recruiting value to a tourney players can be almost as certain they'll never win, and have to be lucky to advance in.

A single post-season bid would be a waste compared to having more bowl bids.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:17 pm

Germainfitch1 wrote:
orangeandbrown wrote:And four MAC teams would never make the post-season, as we are being told could happen this bowl season. We'd never even get three....or two.
Why can't you have the bowls at the same time of the tournament?

1 game matters now and we have 27 other bowls. If a few more games matter then that is not reson enough to cancel all the other bowl games.

The idea I suggested does exactly that, while giving the playoff types what they are asking for.

BG SBall Fan · Post by **BG SBall Fan** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:53 pm

So enlighten me on how you would know what is best for college football? We are not to here to argue over which system would work, nor Nathan are we here to tell everyone their ideas suck and yours is the ONLY way it would work. I don't even know what your system is. I seem to have forgotten with all the whining you've been doing, and I really don't feel like reading through the 25 posts you've made on this waste of time topic. You have no idea what is best for college football teams or it's players.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:14 pm

This is a BG forum, I'm not here to rip other BG fans, I don't suspect you are either, and if you will take this post in the spirit it is offered, maybe we can move-on. Rather than let this fester another few days, I'll run a white flag up.

I saw the thread and viewed it as simply another annual “we need a playoff thread.” I've seen them start under all manner of guises, often to avoid provoking those of us that either dislike or do not see a need for one. On this board, I and a few others are among those that annually lock-horns over the topic. The nature of the debate always winds up the same. Us vs. Them, with those that think we spend too much time on the topic looking on. We spin our wheels, convince nobody of anything, and it dies.

I'm sorry if my initial comments were off-topic as you intended it. I'm sorry if the tone of my comments has given you, Wart, or anybody else cause to be offended. I regret if you feel a threads topic is the law of the land, but topic focus isn't a given on open forums like this. I'm sorry if my assertion of opinion offends you, Wart, or anybody, because it seems to have taken on the assumption of authority on anything.

As was the intent of my last post on page two of the thread, here is my idea, which I don't label a playoff, which I offer as a substitute for one.

“Pair all D1A conference with a partner. For conferences without divisions, pair them with another that doesn't, or an independent. Have the conferences proceed on an 11 game schedule. At the end of the year, let the division champions play in the conference title game, with the rest of the conference playing a cross-divisional opponent as their 12th game. Send the winners of each conference title game to play their 13th (which normally would be a conference title game as matters stand) game against the title winner of the partner conference. Send the winner of that to a BCS bowl. Let the top two winners of the BCS go to a plus-one game. The rest of 1A can go along to their bowl games as they do now. There would be no more games then, than there are now. You would preserve the bowl system totally. You'd see new home games, TV rights, TV money, and you end the madness. If you can't get your fill of football from that, you never will. “