Omar article -- USA Today

Lord_Byron · Post by **Lord_Byron** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:37 am

Not sure what to make of it, but I don't see it as overly optimistic.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football ... back_x.htm

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:00 am

Told you sos suck, and I don't want this to come off that way, because I know we all want Omar to do well. He's a good kid. We were blessed to have him go to school at our alma mater.

But I thought he left early. I said it at the time.

I feel bad for him.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:14 am

What was staying for his senior season going to prove or change? With our lack of experience at WR in a timing offense, his stats weren't likely to improve. The team is not likely to get ranked, which means he would still fly under the radar. His delivery would still be odd. He would still come from a "gimmick" offense. They would still point to the previous injuries. etc etc etc.

Factor that in with all the QB talent coming out next year, and I don't see how he would have been any better off staying here. He would have come out next year and all the same concerns about him would have been raised.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:26 am

Wow. Sounded pretty blunt to me. Brandt laid it on the line and Omar didn't exactly sound like he'd be surprised to fall off the table entirely.

Ouch.

CrazyFan · Post by **CrazyFan** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:52 am

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:What was staying for his senior season going to prove or change? With our lack of experience at WR in a timing offense, his stats weren't likely to improve. The team is not likely to get ranked, which means he would still fly under the radar. His delivery would still be odd. He would still come from a "gimmick" offense. They would still point to the previous injuries. etc etc etc.

Factor that in with all the QB talent coming out next year, and I don't see how he would have been any better off staying here. He would have come out next year and all the same concerns about him would have been raised.

Yes, but even with a decent season I think he fairs a lot better in next years draft than this years. The only quarterback that I can see infront of him next year would be Brady Quinn. This year he has 4-5 quarterbacks projected in front of him and that was projected before he entered the draft. I too think he made a mistake, probably getting some bad advice along the way.

Rightupinthere · Post by **Rightupinthere** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:57 am

I knew his delivery was going to be a bit of a liability, but I didn't predict it this bad.

I'm pulling for him. I'm not sure he'll fall out of the draft, but I doubt he'll be a first day pick.

jacojdm · Post by **jacojdm** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:57 am

CrazyFan wrote:The only quarterback that I can see infront of him next year would be Brady Quinn.

...until someone else emerges as a great white hope. last year at this time, omar was widely regarded as the best qb not named matt leinart.

Schadenfreude · Post by **Schadenfreude** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:02 am

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:What was staying for his senior season going to prove or change? With our lack of experience at WR in a timing offense, his stats weren't likely to improve. The team is not likely to get ranked, which means he would still fly under the radar. His delivery would still be odd. He would still come from a "gimmick" offense. They would still point to the previous injuries. etc etc etc.

His 2005 season was, in Omar world, disappointing. I think it was worth trying to get his numbers back up.

I don't think he would have changed his delivery much, but another season could have given scouts more confidence that the delivery is worth overlooking.

I almost wonder if he would have went higher had he come out in 2004. A 2006 season would have been an opportunity to recover some of that standing.

Bottom line: I don't think he could have fallen much further than he did at the end of the 2005 season. This season could have been an opportunity to play himself up the charts a bit more.

Flipper · Post by **Flipper** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:05 am

The questions about Omar weren't going to be answered by staying here and playing another year. To be blunt, playing here in the MAC and running our offense was the genesis of some of those very questions.

Gil Brandt doesn't like Omar. Gil Brandt called him a "sandlot player" at the combine. Criticism from Gil Brandt is not new.

Some people look at the tools Omar has and think they can mold him. Others look at the percieved lack of polish and figure he's not worth the risk. We'll know on Saturday or Sunday who's voices carried the most weight.

BGSU2005 · Post by **BGSU2005** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:24 am

That's funny that Brandt is bashing him re: the combine. I talked to one of our recent seniors who had talked to Omar after the combine and he felt he did extremely well. To the tune of talking about being b/w the 4-6 qb taken. I really hope all this works out for him....

And count me in the group who thinks he made a good decision to leave...

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:39 am

Flipper wrote:
Gil Brandt doesn't like Omar. Gil Brandt called him a "sandlot player" at the combine. Criticism from Gil Brandt is not new.

Excellent point -- In my view, this article contains no new information. We knew Omar had only visited the Dolphins, but we also know that there are a few other teams that are interested in him. This kind of thing happens every year to a bunch of kids. NFL teams are very good at hiding their interest in 2nd-tier players up until the draft. If you wanted to pick Omar in the 3rd-4th round, would you be publicly salivating over how great you think he is? No -- you would play your cards close to the vest in hoping that he would fly under the radar so you could pick him where you want to pick him. This cycle is nothing new -- Omar will be fine.

I still say he goes 3rd round.

BGSUfalcons · Post by **BGSUfalcons** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:16 am

Brandt is a has-been. Not having Omar in the top 15 QBs in the draft is nuts. FWIW, scout.com has Omar rated as the 7th best QB.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:33 am

I agree with J4H in that Omar had to leave given the lack of talent we will have at WR this year. (Except for Cory, right Spart?

) None of the questions would change. And I doubt we would change our offense just to make Omar a better prospect. It was a no win situation. We line him up under center more and our offense is not as effective, so his stats go down a little and then he just another QB. We tried that a little last year. If you just let him throw on every down, then the scouts say he came from a gimmick offense. You can't win.

I think Gil Brandt is a jacka$$. And I mean that sincerely. I think it was Phil Savage who commented on throwing motions and said something like what does it matter? You don't have to throw the ball in the "classic" style to be effective. Whatever works for that guy is fine. It's kinda like golf. Everyone loves that perfect balanced swing that looks so pretty. But you don't earn money by looking good. You gotta put the ball inthe hole. How many different ways can you putt the ball? Long putter, short putter, one handed, over hand grip, etc. Point is, you get the ball inthe hole any way you can. Same thing with the QB, get the ball to the WR, move the offense, score TDs. I don't care how he throws and I am tired of hearing scouts knock guys because of their motions. Or even worse, saying they will need to overhaul his throwing motion before he can be effective. That is all just bullsh!t.

Spart43 · Post by **Spart43** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:43 am

We caught the replay of the NFL combine on the NFL channel the past weekend. I will tell you what, Omar looked really really good on his throws. Many of the QBs that are suppose to be something didn't throw half as well as Omar. Granted all I was as 4 passes that he threw. 2 passes on a down and out and 2 passes deep down the side lines. All were on the money. I can't say that about any of the other Qbs I saw. Even the commentators said that he was on the money and with good velocity. They did talk about how he shot puts the ball tho.

Warthog · Post by **Warthog** » Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:48 am

Here is how ridiculous these evaluations are. These are from Omar's evaluation on nfl.com

Strength - His natural size and strength enable him to keep his feet in the pocket while pass rushers try and grab at his feet to trip him up.
Weakness - He has bad footwork

Strength - He has good size and the natural arm strength to make all the throws with zip and accuracy when he does everything right technique-wise.
Weakness - his passes do not consistently have zip

Strength - He reads the defense well at the line of scrimmage and can adjust to the blitz, finds the vacated area and hits the receiver who goes there
Weakness - he's a little bit deliberate, which allows defenders to read the pass quickly and break and close fast to make plays on the ball.

Strength - he has the strength to break tackles and gains yards after contact
Weakness - Jacobs is an adequate athlete who lacks the foot quickness and playing speed to make big plays with his feet

My point is these scouts can take any point and make it a strength or a weekness based on what they think. Their anaylsis of a prospect is like statistics. You can use them to say whatever you want.