Gregg Brandon feels our pain

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:59 pm

BGSUFootballFan wrote:Thank you for an even bigger laugh. By losing "multiple games a year" you must be referring to his 53-9 record ! Man thats such poor coaching, and you are right the Canes fans hate him after he lead them to a NC, and was a BS pass interference call way from leading them to a 2nd NC in his 5 seasons there! Like you said, down to the Pee Wee leagues for him!

2 losses in '03
3 losses in '04
3 losses in '05
1 loss already in '06

That is NOT impressive when you are coaching Miami(FL). The school recruits itself, and what it doesn't the city & weather do. Anyone can recruit there, the stadium is a stone's throw from South Beach! The guy built up an impressive overall record with his predecessor's recruits & attitude, and has slowly dwindled that down to the level they're at now. They win 8 games a year on talent alone, but when they matchup against another top notch team they get beaten.

Boy does that sound familiar.

It should also be mentioned that of the 9 losses in the last 3 1/6 seasons more than one of those have been total blowouts. With the talent Miami pulls in they shouldn't get blown out by ANYONE.

Larry Coker is a mediocre driver sitting in a Ferrari. Sure, he can go pretty quick, but when it comes time to take a hard turn he crashes.

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:41 pm

It is not a lock that ANYONE win 8 games a year. Sure he has one of the easier jobs of recruiting, but its certainly not as easy as Texas or Southern Cal. Also he has to compete with recruits wanting to go to UF and FSU, both which are top notch programs. You cant expect to win every game, the law of averages come to .500 no matter what. 53-9 is a damn good record and you cant tell me that is with someone elses recruits. He has brought in his only players and built a tw0-headed monster of not only expectations, but players leaving for the NFL. Another good way to measure how good a COACH IS DOING HIS JOB, is seeing how prepared his players are for the next level. Miami takes the cake when it comes to 1st round draft picks developed by Coker, and some of those were ready to go as Juniors! You cant tell me they taught themselves how to play because they are talented, talented doesnt get you sh*t, unless you learn from the best how to use it. Coker has taught them that, and did I mention HE HAS WON A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!!! Yeah he didnt get blown out then, and the time he lost the NC he got screwed on thee worst pass interference call I have ever seen in my life!

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:44 pm

Rollo, if winning a NC and damn near winning another one, and going 53-9 isnt "quite putting the team over the top" then what is?

Falcon30 · Post by **Falcon30** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:52 pm

He's in a pattern of decline

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:20 pm

Well there was certainly no way for him to improve upon that. So he either had to try and maintain number #1 (an extremely difficult thing to do) or experience a slight decline. Lets face it no team can be #1 forever. So now that they've slipped to ALL THE WAY DOWN

to the Top 15, does that mean "That guy couldn't coach a Peewee team" or that he is "ruining the program." That is certainly where I disagree and the reason why I posted in his defense.

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:50 pm

hammb wrote:It seems to me that the worse a coach is the more praise he receives from his peers. They like coaches that they can beat. Take Larry Coker, for instance. I constantly read comments about how well coached they are at Miami from their opponents. Then I watch the games and realize why. That guy couldn't coach a Peewee team, and he's driving one of the better programs in the country (and ruining it, I might add).

Unless your head coach has a track record like Paterno or something I would seriously have questions anytime my opposing coaches praised them. They are in it for their own best interests.

NEWS FLASH!

Lou Holtz declares Brandon the second coming of Knute Rockne! Proclaims doom to all foes of the rolling juggernaut from Bowling Green! Declares any program that can described with one German word and two Norwegian names must surly be unbeatable!

NWLB · Post by **NWLB** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:51 pm

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
San Diego Falcon wrote:
They're well coached.
Have you ever heard an opposing coach say the opposite before the game?

I decided not to post it, but that's the first thing that I thought when reading that quote.

I think it's very plain to see that this team is poorly coached, in spite of what a coach a million miles away pays lipservice to.

I hear Moe Akney got love letters from UT's coach!

h2oville rocket · Post by **h2oville rocket** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 7:04 pm

NWLB wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
San Diego Falcon wrote:
They're well coached.
Have you ever heard an opposing coach say the opposite before the game?

I decided not to post it, but that's the first thing that I thought when reading that quote.

I think it's very plain to see that this team is poorly coached, in spite of what a coach a million miles away pays lipservice to.
I hear Moe Akney got love letters from UT's coach!

We ALL sent Ankney love letters.

Jacobs4Heisman · Post by **Jacobs4Heisman** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:38 am

BGSUFootballFan wrote:Well there was certainly no way for him to improve upon that. So he either had to try and maintain number #1 (an extremely difficult thing to do) or experience a slight decline. Lets face it no team can be #1 forever. So now that they've slipped to ALL THE WAY DOWN to the Top 15, does that mean "That guy couldn't coach a Peewee team" or that he is "ruining the program." That is certainly where I disagree and the reason why I posted in his defense.

I just thought it would be interesting to bring this back up

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 9:43 am

Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
BGSUFootballFan wrote:Well there was certainly no way for him to improve upon that. So he either had to try and maintain number #1 (an extremely difficult thing to do) or experience a slight decline. Lets face it no team can be #1 forever. So now that they've slipped to ALL THE WAY DOWN to the Top 15, does that mean "That guy couldn't coach a Peewee team" or that he is "ruining the program." That is certainly where I disagree and the reason why I posted in his defense.
I just thought it would be interesting to bring this back up

There is no need for me to back this up. My point is still correct, although it is leaning more towards hammb now that Miami started the season 1-2. But I didnt see anyone predicting that, and I still stand by my point. If he thinks Coker cant even coach a Pee Wee team, then why did he take Miami +4 at Louisville?

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:14 am

BGSUFootballFan wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
BGSUFootballFan wrote:Well there was certainly no way for him to improve upon that. So he either had to try and maintain number #1 (an extremely difficult thing to do) or experience a slight decline. Lets face it no team can be #1 forever. So now that they've slipped to ALL THE WAY DOWN to the Top 15, does that mean "That guy couldn't coach a Peewee team" or that he is "ruining the program." That is certainly where I disagree and the reason why I posted in his defense.
I just thought it would be interesting to bring this back up

There is no need for me to back this up. My point is still correct, although it is leaning more towards hammb now that Miami started the season 1-2. But I didnt see anyone predicting that, and I still stand by my point. If he thinks Coker cant even coach a Pee Wee team, then why did he take Miami +4 at Louisville?

I did it for 2 reasons.

1) I thought Louisville might miss Bush in this game, they did not.
2) For as bad as Coker has been he was undefeated as an underdog.

My bad.

My thoughts on Coker remain the same. You realize he's like 1-4 in his last 5 games against 1A competition? And he got BLOWN OUT in a couple of those games. This with MIAMI.

I'm sorry, but the guy is a terrible coach, and everyone who follow's Miami agrees with me...they're clamoring to bring back Butch Davis. Any competent coach could've put up a great record with that talent in the first couple years. It takes a good coach to sustain that level of success, and Coker has proven (to me at least) that he cannot do that. What's worse for Miami fans, is that it appears as though he's not even bringing in the same talent level as they had before. On defense they've got some skills, but they do not have one single playmaker on the offensive side of the ball.

How can you NOT bring in a playmaker at WR/RB/QB when you're coaching at Miami(FL)? I'm sorry, I've seen their campus, their weather, and their girls. To go along with their football tradition, and the hotbed of football in their immediate area (when Butch was there something like 70% of his recruits were from the tricounty area). That has got to be the easiest place to recruit in the country.

BGSUFootballFan · Post by **BGSUFootballFan** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:47 am

hammb wrote:
BGSUFootballFan wrote:
Jacobs4Heisman wrote:
BGSUFootballFan wrote:Well there was certainly no way for him to improve upon that. So he either had to try and maintain number #1 (an extremely difficult thing to do) or experience a slight decline. Lets face it no team can be #1 forever. So now that they've slipped to ALL THE WAY DOWN to the Top 15, does that mean "That guy couldn't coach a Peewee team" or that he is "ruining the program." That is certainly where I disagree and the reason why I posted in his defense.
I just thought it would be interesting to bring this back up

There is no need for me to back this up. My point is still correct, although it is leaning more towards hammb now that Miami started the season 1-2. But I didnt see anyone predicting that, and I still stand by my point. If he thinks Coker cant even coach a Pee Wee team, then why did he take Miami +4 at Louisville?
I did it for 2 reasons.

1) I thought Louisville might miss Bush in this game, they did not.
2) For as bad as Coker has been he was undefeated as an underdog.

My bad.

My thoughts on Coker remain the same. You realize he's like 1-4 in his last 5 games against 1A competition? And he got BLOWN OUT in a couple of those games. This with MIAMI.

I'm sorry, but the guy is a terrible coach, and everyone who follow's Miami agrees with me...they're clamoring to bring back Butch Davis. Any competent coach could've put up a great record with that talent in the first couple years. It takes a good coach to sustain that level of success, and Coker has proven (to me at least) that he cannot do that. What's worse for Miami fans, is that it appears as though he's not even bringing in the same talent level as they had before. On defense they've got some skills, but they do not have one single playmaker on the offensive side of the ball.

How can you NOT bring in a playmaker at WR/RB/QB when you're coaching at Miami(FL)? I'm sorry, I've seen their campus, their weather, and their girls. To go along with their football tradition, and the hotbed of football in their immediate area (when Butch was there something like 70% of his recruits were from the tricounty area). That has got to be the easiest place to recruit in the country.

Well you obviously have some respect for him and their team if you bet on them to basically win the game on the road agaisnt a higher ranked opponent. Certainly Bush is a good RB, but anyone who watches football knows that Stripling is just as good of a runner if not better (its kind of hard to compare since they have different styles). Certainly starting off this year 1-2 is not what anyone would expect from a Miami program. However, despite being 1-4 in his last 5 games HE STILL HAS A WIN PERCENTAGE OF OVER 83%!!! Get off of the guys back, this is reality not some fantasy where all the top recruits come to your school just because there is warm weather and pretty girls. I've yet to see a university that doesnt have pretty girls (females usually look their best at this age) and I think weather is super overrated. Why would you want to play football when its 90 outside? I know I sure dont!

I agree that they dont have any playmakers on O this year, but at least he knows to put the ones that he has on defense. I think its sickening what people do to coaches these days. I mean who has a better overall record than Coker? Who has a better win percentage than him? You think he's a bad coach? So I guess its like you doing your job better than anyone else has over the last 6 years, but because the last 5 weeks havent been as good as everyone else you are supposed to be fired? I think that is a bunch of nonsense.

1987alum · Post by **1987alum** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:50 am

Guys, no offense, but can the Larry Coker discussion be taken elsewhere, like Other Schools or Free-for-All?

Rollo83 · Post by **Rollo83** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:04 pm

You can quote all the statistics you want. Coker's early winning years at Miami where on someone else's dime. Namely, Butch Davis.

You know how you just get a feel for a program on the decline? Again, we felt in Columbus during the Cooper years...in South Bend with Davies...and in Gainesville with Zook.

These guys and Coker just don't have it. You can see it i the way their teams play. They don't show up for big games. They play undiscipline football.

As far as your reality check...kids DO pick Miami for things like weather and girls...don't kid yourself. They also play their bcause they can make it to the NFL more readily than at other programs because of the exposure and alumni ties to the NFL.

Not saying Larry isn't agreat guy, personally. Just don't think he is a great head coach. His program is defintely on the decline. Miami isn't the easiest place to coach in the country. Dennis Erickson found that out. Most of your players are there to become professional players and not student athletes. It takers a strong personality to run a program like this and Larry isn't it.

Tricky_Falcon · Post by **Tricky_Falcon** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:19 pm

Back to BG. Coach Brandon thinks Brady Quinn and Notre Dame are overrated. Kind of ballsy to admit that.