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redskins4ever wrote:who cares where fans sit?

Students or non-students it shouldn't matter... I don't care where the students sit, most alumns don't care where the students sit, hostile environments are what football and coaching are about. Sack up you wussy MAC coaches and get over it. Are you going to tell 95,000 fans in death valley in LSU to quiet down? I don't think so...

Put the students behind Miami... we don't care... be creative... be obnoxious... but be a sportsman above all else.

If students pay a student fee for all athletic events which they can't choose not to pay, are they not then season ticket holders? If so, should they not go ahead and get whatever seats are available for GA?

Stupid MAC rules ruin the fun of football!
I don't necessarily care where the students sit either, and I agree when you say that regardless of where you sit, you must be a sportsman. But with both experiences I have had at Yager I witnessed VERY unsportsmanlike conduct from a large number of students behind the away bench towards away players. I know it's not YOU doing that, but I completely understand the need for the rule. I see both sides.

My other issue is this: if there is a rule, it should be followed. (Of course there are always exceptions, like "It's illegal to eat ice cream on Sundays" or stupid stuff like that.) But in this case, there is no legitimate reason this rule CANNOT be followed, even if it is kind of a lame rule. If one MAC school has to follow a conference rule, ALL MAC schools should follow the conference rule. No school is above that. No BG. Not Miami. Not Toledo. Period.

If the rule is SO asinine that it should be changed, then the schools should get together and take it to the conference, rather than disobey it.
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SW-MI Falcon wrote:I don't know if they still do that because I don't sit on that side any more (I'm usually in the FC tent for the entire game).
Neal and I will see you there for the Miami game (I finally get to make a home game).
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I don't necessarily care where the students sit either, and I agree when you say that regardless of where you sit, you must be a sportsman. But with both experiences I have had at Yager I witnessed VERY unsportsmanlike conduct from a large number of students behind the away bench towards away players. I know it's not YOU doing that, but I completely understand the need for the rule. I see both sides.

My other issue is this: if there is a rule, it should be followed. (Of course there are always exceptions, like "It's illegal to eat ice cream on Sundays" or stupid stuff like that.) But in this case, there is no legitimate reason this rule CANNOT be followed, even if it is kind of a lame rule. If one MAC school has to follow a conference rule, ALL MAC schools should follow the conference rule. No school is above that. No BG. Not Miami. Not Toledo. Period.

If the rule is SO asinine that it should be changed, then the schools should get together and take it to the conference, rather than disobey it.
I completely disagree for several reasons, and I am not saying that Miami fans are the best, I have seen disgraceful behavior, I wouldn't encourage it, but let me come at this from a different angle.

Where do you want the students to sit? Do you displace fans who are mostly alumns who pay hundreds of dollars each year on the home side, the ones that are your donors who give to projects like the Sebo? Do you hide students in the corners of the stadium to appease coaches who can't handle a semi-tough environment? As a student would you like to be confined to the endzones or be locked out of the seats between the 25 yard lines, and they would go empty without you? Would you be happy in the upper reaches of the stadium? Or as a student do you want to feel a part of your university, and not as a lepper and to be able to sit in seats that are General Admission.

You pay a fee... a large one... to the athletic department each year... it is the neighborhood of $350-550 a year at most MAC schools. You have no choice in the matter, its in your fees. I accepted this fact, I paid it at Miami, you pay it at BG, and so does every other student. This fee, gurantees you a seat in the stadium for every game that isn't "sold out". Why do you want to be discriminated against because you are a student? You are openly saying that because you are a student you are less of a person than someone who is a graduate of the university, or just some joe schmo?

The rule was put in place because students were "intimidating" 250lb men who bench press more then 98% of the campus, who wear pads and helmets, and who are bad mofo's should you want to come in and pick a fight with them. The rule was put into place, because presidents over reacted to situations at Big 10, SEC, and other schools in the nation that have a following which is 5 to 10 times as great as a MAC school.

Its a stupid rule, plain and simple.

Miami students today are 35 feet away from the benches, they have to clear walls that are nearly impossible to scale without being caught by a cop, and then you want to tangle with the football players? Thats nuts. Oh and there are now security cameras, and you will be suspended if not expelled should you go over that wall, or throw anything over that wall.

MAC schools have very few things going for them, but a loyal student following isn't something you should squash, it is something you desperately need to cultivate into season ticket holders once they graduate.

Here's a suggestion for the board, go pick up the book, The Tipping Point. Read the section about the broken window, and how a single broken window turns into more, much more if we let it progress.

If we want to change the attitudes at sporting events, then we all need to take charge at these events, when people act unruly. Get an usher, grab a cop, grab someone from the athletic department and have them booted. Tell your friends to stop cussing, tell them to be creative instead. Don't boo the opposing team, turn your back on them when they enter the stadium/arena.

Students will behave well when others take the lead and do the same, its a mob mentality. If the group is cool and collective, everyone will remain the same, but if we follow the lead of idiots, the mob becomes idiots. (See the Cleveland Browns and the bottle throwing incident).

Or better yet, act decently because you want to be classy. Have student ambassadors at the game, bring your mom to a game and have her sit next to you. Would you act the same? I doubt it.

i don't care where BG puts their students, but I can't believe anyone would want to be treated as a second class citizen just because you are a student, yet time and again any university or a town for that matter will bend you over and spank you because they don't respect you and that they believe you can't make decisions for yourself. Take ownership of your actions, take ownership of your friends, and take ownership of your life and don't allow other individuals make decisions for you because you allow them to.
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redskins4ever wrote:I completely disagree for several reasons, and I am not saying that Miami fans are the best, I have seen disgraceful behavior, I wouldn't encourage it, but let me come at this from a different angle.

Where do you want the students to sit? Do you displace fans who are mostly alumns who pay hundreds of dollars each year on the home side, the ones that are your donors who give to projects like the Sebo? Do you hide students in the corners of the stadium to appease coaches who can't handle a semi-tough environment? As a student would you like to be confined to the endzones or be locked out of the seats between the 25 yard lines, and they would go empty without you? Would you be happy in the upper reaches of the stadium? Or as a student do you want to feel a part of your university, and not as a lepper and to be able to sit in seats that are General Admission.

You pay a fee... a large one... to the athletic department each year... it is the neighborhood of $350-550 a year at most MAC schools. You have no choice in the matter, its in your fees. I accepted this fact, I paid it at Miami, you pay it at BG, and so does every other student. This fee, gurantees you a seat in the stadium for every game that isn't "sold out". Why do you want to be discriminated against because you are a student? You are openly saying that because you are a student you are less of a person than someone who is a graduate of the university, or just some joe schmo?

The rule was put in place because students were "intimidating" 250lb men who bench press more then 98% of the campus, who wear pads and helmets, and who are bad mofo's should you want to come in and pick a fight with them. The rule was put into place, because presidents over reacted to situations at Big 10, SEC, and other schools in the nation that have a following which is 5 to 10 times as great as a MAC school.

Its a stupid rule, plain and simple.

Miami students today are 35 feet away from the benches, they have to clear walls that are nearly impossible to scale without being caught by a cop, and then you want to tangle with the football players? Thats nuts. Oh and there are now security cameras, and you will be suspended if not expelled should you go over that wall, or throw anything over that wall.

MAC schools have very few things going for them, but a loyal student following isn't something you should squash, it is something you desperately need to cultivate into season ticket holders once they graduate.

Here's a suggestion for the board, go pick up the book, The Tipping Point. Read the section about the broken window, and how a single broken window turns into more, much more if we let it progress.

If we want to change the attitudes at sporting events, then we all need to take charge at these events, when people act unruly. Get an usher, grab a cop, grab someone from the athletic department and have them booted. Tell your friends to stop cussing, tell them to be creative instead. Don't boo the opposing team, turn your back on them when they enter the stadium/arena.

Students will behave well when others take the lead and do the same, its a mob mentality. If the group is cool and collective, everyone will remain the same, but if we follow the lead of idiots, the mob becomes idiots. (See the Cleveland Browns and the bottle throwing incident).

Or better yet, act decently because you want to be classy. Have student ambassadors at the game, bring your mom to a game and have her sit next to you. Would you act the same? I doubt it.

i don't care where BG puts their students, but I can't believe anyone would want to be treated as a second class citizen just because you are a student, yet time and again any university or a town for that matter will bend you over and spank you because they don't respect you and that they believe you can't make decisions for yourself. Take ownership of your actions, take ownership of your friends, and take ownership of your life and don't allow other individuals make decisions for you because you allow them to.
I don't know how they do seating at Miami, so I can only speak from experience at BG. Our students sit on the home side, just off to the side of the 25 to 25 range. They're still decent seats and I've never heard a student object to sitting there. I was with the band when I was in school, so I never sat there, but it fills up every time, even on the fringe ends of the "student section." But had I not been in the band, I'd have sat there. It's the student section. I think no matter where in the stadium you put the student section, students will sit there. And very few of them with complain about it...

Am I openly saying that while I was a student I considered myself inferior to someone who was a graduate of the university, or just some joe schmo? Some Joe Schmo? Not at all. Most alumni? Not at all. But the big alumni who donate for things like the Sebo? You bet your ass I am. If my forteiting 100 feet of space between myself and the 50 means that generous people might be influenced to donate things that will better educate students and thus further their futures, I'd do it in a heart beat, and I'd wipe off the seat if it rained so they could sit down. And how stupid of me to be generous to those who have donated things to help me out. Heaven forbid we thank them.

I believe that rule was put in place because students were not intimidating players, as you like to call it, but because students were being so unsportsmanlike that their behavior INTERFERED with the event being held. I doubt that 225 lb. player you mentioned would feel intimidated by anything I have to say, and I've got both a mouth and an imagination.

But I'm arguing apples and you're trying to argue oranges. I'm saying that while it is a stupid rule, no MAC school is so much above the others that it doesn't have to obey. Are you implying that Miami does not have to follow the rules? If that's the case, I beg to differ. Why should everyone else follow the rule while Miami disregards it week in and week out?

You instead are trying to lecture me on good sportmanship. Thanks, but I KNOW what good sportsmanship is. I knows it wiser to turn my back than to boo the opponents. Many BG fans (not most, but many) do the same. But again, thats not the issue. The rule is in place - neither you nor I can change that. Let's act like adults and get it changed the RIGHT WAY, not by ignoring the rule altogether. You talk about sportsmanship and class; let's ALL exhibit some and go the MAC to get it changed in a responsible fashion.

I'm sorry, but the high horse act I get from several Miami supporters is about as old as the one I get from some Ohio State fans.
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Miami has no where else to seat the 3500-5000 students that show up when there is a winning team... right now I guess there is somewhere in the range of 2000k students.
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