Urbie gets a little snotty now too

[Falcon Fanatic]

MACMAN- I choose to disagree with you. This being polite is really getting to me.

HOWEVER, I do want to tell you, unless someone or someone's E-MAIL the AD and MARKETING people we are going to be stuck with Space Ghost for the rest of our natural lives.

They paid some bozo's too much money to develop it during Paul's time and I guess they feel they need to justify it.

Going off topic here: Regarding the Space Ghost logo ( ), I heard someone (a coach) say that Christopher wants ONE logo on everything and he doesn't like seeing three of them (traditional, outlined traditional, and bird head) on stuff (football helmets vs. other stuff). The bird head is "selling" better, so that one is getting his attention. Well, no kidding...it's the RETAIL logo!! I told everyone when this happened that we will be phasing out the traditional one for the bird one, based on how they were drawn. The bird head fits right inside the outline of the traditional one, makes the transition easy for people to start liking it, plus with it being retail, it gets more and more exposure. Had they gone to the the bird head without doing it this way, people would have rebelled like they did when they tried to change it years ago. The whole point of having a "retail" logo was that people would have buy it to get BG wearables, now, as they planned, it is EVERYWHERE!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

Back to the topic....I had really planned on rooting for Urban with his BG ties, and mostly because, like AAF, I am sick of the obnoxious, self-rightous, arrogant OSU fans, but after that qoute....

[Flipper]

Yep...for tonight only...."OH-IO"

[Jacobs4Heisman]

BL-IMP

CR-ASH

[BGFan]

Even if they don't believe it, most coaches are at least gracious about where they came from and how they got to where they're at now. Urban has shown nothing but disdain for BG since he's been down there. For that reason alone I want OSU to crush him.

[Schadenfreude]

I think Christopher's instincts are sound. Uniformity, in general, is a pretty good instinct.

I know how attached we all are to the traditional logo, but I've always argued that the retail logo is artistically very good. They did an outstanding job.

So, if they put the retail logo on our helmets, I will be able to go along with that.

On the one hand, our current design is arguably the oldest in the MAC -- only tweaked once since 1982. That's another form of uniformity -- tradition -- that's worth arguing for. And it's simplicity works in the context of a helmet, I think.

But I can see Christopher's point -- with our helmets as they are, we are now waving three logos in the face of the public: Traditional, outlined traditional, and retail. It's a bit chaotic.

Also, on a related note: The outlined version of the traditional logo is no good, in my opinion. It's fugly. If moving to the retail logo helps kill the outlined traditional logo, that's a step in the right direction.

So, the way I see it, if we had the retail logo on our helmets, we would be the best looking bird brains in Division I-A. It would compare favorably to helmets of:

Louisville (too cartoonish)
Iowa
Rice
Ball State (looks like it's falling on its face)
Louisiana-Monroe

In fact, I'd put up our retail logo against any animal logo on a helmet in Division I-A. The broader category includes:

-- South Florida (arguably)
-- Kansas State
-- Texas
-- Alabama-Birmingham
-- Southern Methodist
-- Akron
-- Kent State (arguably)
-- Northern Illinois
-- Western Michigan
-- New Mexico
-- Texas Christian
-- Wyoming
-- Oregon State
-- Washington State (arguably)
-- Arkansas
-- Louisiana State
-- Boise State
-- Fresno State
-- Nevada

To my eye, the only one out of all of those that is probably better than our retail logo in the context of a helmet is Southern Methodist (love that pony!)

So, if our retail logo is that good, I say go for it. Let's build a new tradition.

[Falcon30]

I think Christopher's instincts are sound. Uniformity, in general, is a pretty good instinct.

I know how attached we all are to the traditional logo, but I've always argued that the retail logo is artistically very good. They did an outstanding job.

So, if they put the retail logo on our helmets, I will be able to go along with that.

On the one hand, our current design is arguably the oldest in the MAC -- only tweaked once since 1982. That's another form of uniformity -- tradition -- that's worth arguing for. And it's simplicity works in the context of a helmet, I think.

But I can see Christopher's point -- with our helmets as they are, we are now waving three logos in the face of the public: Traditional, outlined traditional, and retail. It's a bit chaotic.

Also, on a related note: The outlined version of the traditional logo is no good, in my opinion. It's fugly. If moving to the retail logo helps kill the outlined traditional logo, that's a step in the right direction.

So, the way I see it, if we had the retail logo on our helmets, we would be the best looking bird brains in Division I-A. It would compare favorably to helmets of:

Louisville (too cartoonish)
Iowa
Rice
Ball State (looks like it's falling on its face)
Louisiana-Monroe

In fact, I'd put up our retail logo against any animal logo on a helmet in Division I-A. The broader category includes:

-- South Florida (arguably)
-- Kansas State
-- Texas
-- Alabama-Birmingham
-- Southern Methodist
-- Akron
-- Kent State (arguably)
-- Northern Illinois
-- Western Michigan
-- New Mexico
-- Texas Christian
-- Wyoming
-- Oregon State
-- Washington State (arguably)
-- Arkansas
-- Louisiana State
-- Boise State
-- Fresno State
-- Nevada

To my eye, the only one out of all of those that is probably better than our retail logo in the context of a helmet is Southern Methodist (love that pony!)

So, if our retail logo is that good, I say go for it. Let's build a new tradition.

I like the Bosie / WMU bronco a lot.

The retail falcon is unique - it isn't a cartoon, but unlike the traditional logo, it isn't like the Kansas State or Iowa or Texas kind of silhouette logo anymore.

It doesn't look like anything else out there. It isn't a 3d cartoon like Ohio, Miami, or WMU.

You know we all liked the uniqueness of the old logo. I think the new one is possibly more unique.

[Falcon30]

From Matt Markey's column in the Blade

Florida coach Urban Meyer was asked if any of the current Ohio State players were guys he tried to recruit as head coach at Bowling Green.
“Yes,” Meyer said. “We recruited a guy named Troy Smith and a guy named Teddy Ginn, but they were both a little better than Bowling Green.”


Yeah...right back at ya, Urbie...

Is this Urban being snotty or Troy and Ted? Is he saying they thought they were better than BG?

[Dayons_Den]

Go Gators.

As to the logo thing, I think we could have two logos. Iowa has a traditional logo, which adorns their helmets, and they also have the cartoonish looking bird that looks like one of our old logos.

I like the new outlined traditional logo that Schad has such disdain for. It gives depth and a solid-ness to the much loved traditional logo.

The space ghost logo has grown on me and I think why not let it in to our logo scheme.

I think it would be a mistake to eliminate the traditional logo and don't see why we can't have multiple logos.

And, if they decided to put the retail logo on the helmets here is what I have proposed in the past:

EDIT:- I will insert it later, as I can't access it right now. . .

[gerl4]

I like to get on this website a few times a week and read what all of you have to say. There has only been a few things that have prompted me to post a remark or two, this happens to be one of them.

I played for Urban my senior year and I can say without a doubt that he is the best thing that has happened to BG in the past 15 years. Without him BG could still be where it was when I attended the school for my first 4 years.

Was I upset when he decided to leave? Absolutely. It was obviously the best move for him, his family, and his coaching staff. He has since become a top five coach in America and would do anything for a former player. He keeps in contact with me to this day and is always reminiscing about our days at Bowling Green. For anyone on this link to think that he doesn't care about BG or the people and friends here made here are crazy. We should be proud that he made his start at our school and that we all had a chance to see him coach.

If somone told you that if you left bowling green you would coach for the national championship in 4 years, all while having your family set for LIFE, having coach Gonzales's kids SET, Mullen SET, Drayton SET, Hevesy SET...would you go? KNowing that you left a program in 10 times better shape than it was when you arrived? Is there even a question? When he left the staff that stayed all got promotions, Beckman went to coach for a National Championship. Do you think that he would have gotten an opportunity to coach at O state with another 2-9 season under Blackney? Everyone benefitted from coach Meyer being here. SEBO center? I saw those plans drwan up on HIS desk my senior year.

I know that I am very proud to have met him and played for him, you all should be proud that he got his start at OUR school.

With all that said, we should all pull for that guy, because like it or not he put BG back on the college football map.

[redskins4ever]

You think that is a rip on BG? Awww for christ sake... you didn't have a chance with Ted Ginn and although Troy Smith was the last scholarship guy, he probably had alot of other offers as well.

Sometimes talent slips through the cracks, sometimes teams out recruit the big boys, and sometimes the best players in the state will go to the perceived best program they can go to. What Urban was saying without all of you going up in arms, is those were two highly talented players who didn't have BG on their Radar not vice versa... sometimes I wonder if you folks just want to have an axe to grind over a coach who did well and left because there was more money and a better situation. There is no loyalty in sports, but without Urban where would the football program be today? THe guy worked his ass off for BG and you guys still are too proud to recognize his contribution to BG.

[Falcon Fanatic]

I think Christopher's instincts are sound. Uniformity, in general, is a pretty good instinct.

I know how attached we all are to the traditional logo, but I've always argued that the retail logo is artistically very good. They did an outstanding job.

So, if they put the retail logo on our helmets, I will be able to go along with that.

On the one hand, our current design is arguably the oldest in the MAC -- only tweaked once since 1982. That's another form of uniformity -- tradition -- that's worth arguing for. And it's simplicity works in the context of a helmet, I think.

But I can see Christopher's point -- with our helmets as they are, we are now waving three logos in the face of the public: Traditional, outlined traditional, and retail. It's a bit chaotic.

Also, on a related note: The outlined version of the traditional logo is no good, in my opinion. It's fugly. If moving to the retail logo helps kill the outlined traditional logo, that's a step in the right direction.

Wow, this coming from the guy who said Brown is beautiful...Traditions? ok.....

[Dayons_Den]

I like to get on this website a few times a week and read what all of you have to say. There has only been a few things that have prompted me to post a remark or two, this happens to be one of them.

I played for Urban my senior year and I can say without a doubt that he is the best thing that has happened to BG in the past 15 years. Without him BG could still be where it was when I attended the school for my first 4 years.

Was I upset when he decided to leave? Absolutely. It was obviously the best move for him, his family, and his coaching staff. He has since become a top five coach in America and would do anything for a former player. He keeps in contact with me to this day and is always reminiscing about our days at Bowling Green. For anyone on this link to think that he doesn't care about BG or the people and friends here made here are crazy. We should be proud that he made his start at our school and that we all had a chance to see him coach.

If somone told you that if you left bowling green you would coach for the national championship in 4 years, all while having your family set for LIFE, having coach Gonzales's kids SET, Mullen SET, Drayton SET, Hevesy SET...would you go? KNowing that you left a program in 10 times better shape than it was when you arrived? Is there even a question? When he left the staff that stayed all got promotions, Beckman went to coach for a National Championship. Do you think that he would have gotten an opportunity to coach at O state with another 2-9 season under Blackney? Everyone benefitted from coach Meyer being here. SEBO center? I saw those plans drwan up on HIS desk my senior year.

I know that I am very proud to have met him and played for him, you all should be proud that he got his start at OUR school.

With all that said, we should all pull for that guy, because like it or not he put BG back on the college football map.

Kurt, Thanks for the post and your inside insight. I am definitely an Urban fan and although the pill was tough to swallow when he first left, I got over it and want him to succeed.

I can't help but wonder though if he remembers BG when he gets his contracts and incentives and such. I hope he has helped build the SEBO literally as he had a great deal to do with it figuratively.

[Jacobs4Heisman]

You think that is a rip on BG? Awww for christ sake... you didn't have a chance with Ted Ginn and although Troy Smith was the last scholarship guy, he probably had alot of other offers as well.

Sometimes talent slips through the cracks, sometimes teams out recruit the big boys, and sometimes the best players in the state will go to the perceived best program they can go to. What Urban was saying without all of you going up in arms, is those were two highly talented players who didn't have BG on their Radar not vice versa... sometimes I wonder if you folks just want to have an axe to grind over a coach who did well and left because there was more money and a better situation. There is no loyalty in sports, but without Urban where would the football program be today? THe guy worked his ass off for BG and you guys still are too proud to recognize his contribution to BG.

Thinking Urbie is a great coach, and being eternally grateful for what he did here, is in no way mutually exclusive with being pissed about how he usually talks about BG.

Just because he's a great coach and did a lot for us doesn't mean he doesn't act like a dick sometimes. And this is most definitely one of those times. He was raised better than that....

[hammb]

I got over the way he left us a long time ago.

I think this statement could be taken a couple different ways, but maybe Urban could talk a little bit more flattering about BG every once in awhile. But then, to him BG probably wasn't the nicest place in the world. We gave him a shot, so I'm sure he's still grateful for that, but I'm sure our facilities & fan support pale in comparison to everywhere he's ever been.

I respect Kurt's opinion a lot more than any of us, and I think it's awesome that he still talks to his BG players...that's far more important to me than anything he says in the media about BG.

I will always find myself rooting for Urban, because like Kurt said, he put us back on the football map...the current staff is doing their best to erase us back off that map, but that is no fault of Urban's. The guy is, IMO, one of the two best coaches in college football...and he's lining up against the other one tonight. I respect the hell out of Urban and I love watching his teams play. The guy has balls of steel and I like that in a coach. He's also pretty brash. That is a personality trait that suits him well as a coach, but costs him in regards to talking with the media.

I'm over it. I just want to see a good close game tonight. I want to shut up my entire family who thinks OSU will roll by 32 tonight. I have faith in Urban.

[Falconfreak90]

Kurt,

That is an excellent post. I was totally PO'ed the way Meyer left but have gotten past that. But he did turn around the program and for that I'll always be grateful to him. He really is a great coach. Yes, he can act like a prick and such. I'm not debating his personality.

Here at work today, I've got 20 guys coming up to me with their F'in OSWho shirts on saying how great the Buck$ are and BG sux and such. I am so sick and tired of their arrogance. They simply cannot believe I won't be rooting for OSWho. And they wonder why it's so easy to root against them? Please.

I want Florida to kick the living crap outta them tonight. Just shut them up for ONE day.

BTW, redskins4ever? I agree with you. I didn't see it as a rip on BG. The BCS teams always get the cream of the crop, for the most part. I hate the BCS.

GO GATORS