Anyone have our stats for W/L's against winning teams for the years 2001-2004? I would bet they are similar to the 1 & 3 we are this year.Flipper wrote:We were 1-3 against teams with winning records. As impressive as the wins were, I have a hard time saying that record justifies a top 25 ranking.
Coaches Poll this week
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CapitalFalcon
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BelieveNBG:
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Ohio State is 7-4, with wins against Cincinnati (bowl-bound) and Marshall (bowl-eligible). They also beat a top 10 team (Michigan). They admittedly beat some rag-tag teams (Penn State, Indiana) a few enigmas (Michigan State, N.C. State). But you simply cannot compare that to BG's schedule (Marshall being the only bowl-eligible team we beat). We played three good teams (Toledo, NIU and Oklahoma) and lost all three games. OSU played Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa and Purdue and, as hammb pointed out, won one. Yep, only one, but a BIG one. If BG had beaten Oklahoma, it's a whole different season. Likewise NIU and Toledo. But, again, we didn't. In this light, Ohio State's 7-4 record looks a lot better than BG's 8-3 record.
And let's look at Florida, as you suggest. They had four exceptionally tough games on their slate this year - Florida State, Georgia, LSU and Tenn. They won one of those games. Yep, only one, but a BIG one. They also beat South Carolina (bowl eligible) and an Arkansas team that went 5-6; of those six losses, five came to then-ranked teams and the other to South Carolina. No shame in that record. So, again, we have a team that won a very big game - in this case, Florida State, a few games against above average opponents (South Carolina, Arkansas) and won the games they should have won.
I don't think BG is being held to a higher standard, they are being held to THE standard. You have to win a big game to stay in the top 25, it's that simple.
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
Ohio State is 7-4, with wins against Cincinnati (bowl-bound) and Marshall (bowl-eligible). They also beat a top 10 team (Michigan). They admittedly beat some rag-tag teams (Penn State, Indiana) a few enigmas (Michigan State, N.C. State). But you simply cannot compare that to BG's schedule (Marshall being the only bowl-eligible team we beat). We played three good teams (Toledo, NIU and Oklahoma) and lost all three games. OSU played Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa and Purdue and, as hammb pointed out, won one. Yep, only one, but a BIG one. If BG had beaten Oklahoma, it's a whole different season. Likewise NIU and Toledo. But, again, we didn't. In this light, Ohio State's 7-4 record looks a lot better than BG's 8-3 record.
And let's look at Florida, as you suggest. They had four exceptionally tough games on their slate this year - Florida State, Georgia, LSU and Tenn. They won one of those games. Yep, only one, but a BIG one. They also beat South Carolina (bowl eligible) and an Arkansas team that went 5-6; of those six losses, five came to then-ranked teams and the other to South Carolina. No shame in that record. So, again, we have a team that won a very big game - in this case, Florida State, a few games against above average opponents (South Carolina, Arkansas) and won the games they should have won.
I don't think BG is being held to a higher standard, they are being held to THE standard. You have to win a big game to stay in the top 25, it's that simple.
MotownFalcon:
Off the top of my head ....
2003
BG beat Purdue, Northwestern, Toledo, Northern Illinois
BG lost to Miami, Miami, Ohio State
That made us 4-3 against D-I opponents with winning records in 2003.
2002
We beat a 6-6 Ball State team (as well as Mizzou, though they were sub-.500)
We lost to NIU, Toledo, South Florida
That made us 1-3 against D-I opponents with .500 or better records.
2002
We beat Toledo, Kent State (yup, they were 6-5 that year), (again, we beat Mizzou, though they were sub-.500 - again ... we also beat Northwestern, though they were sub-.500 also)
We lost to Marshall and Miami
That made us 2-2 against D-I opponents with .500 or better records.
Off the top of my head ....
2003
BG beat Purdue, Northwestern, Toledo, Northern Illinois
BG lost to Miami, Miami, Ohio State
That made us 4-3 against D-I opponents with winning records in 2003.
2002
We beat a 6-6 Ball State team (as well as Mizzou, though they were sub-.500)
We lost to NIU, Toledo, South Florida
That made us 1-3 against D-I opponents with .500 or better records.
2002
We beat Toledo, Kent State (yup, they were 6-5 that year), (again, we beat Mizzou, though they were sub-.500 - again ... we also beat Northwestern, though they were sub-.500 also)
We lost to Marshall and Miami
That made us 2-2 against D-I opponents with .500 or better records.
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BelieveNBG
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Right...BG is being held to THE standard that a MAC team must win practically every game in order to be ranked. If we had won those games against NIU and Toledo, but lost to lesser teams like Eastern, we would still not be ranked. Florida can lose to Miss. St. and still be ranked. This STANDARD was evident when we beat Purdue, a highly ranked team, and we still received no consideration until later in the season.
You're missing the point. If we won at least ONE big game, we very likely would have been ranked. We did not. We lost every single "BIG" game we played. We played well against Oklahoma, got manhandled by NIU and blew a 20-point halftime lead against Toledo. That type of performance won't get you in the top 25.
If we had pulled out one W there, we'd likely be in the top 25.
Florida lost to Mississippi State, but they also BEAT FLORIDA STATE!
If we had pulled out one W there, we'd likely be in the top 25.
Florida lost to Mississippi State, but they also BEAT FLORIDA STATE!
Lest we forget, the Falcons of The Bowling Green State University finished the 2003 season ranked 23 in BOTH major polls.
That ranking came despite two conference losses (both to Miami) and a loss to Ohio State. But we WON THE BIG GAMES - i.e. we beat Purdue, Northern and Toledo. But we did not have to run the table.
That ranking came despite two conference losses (both to Miami) and a loss to Ohio State. But we WON THE BIG GAMES - i.e. we beat Purdue, Northern and Toledo. But we did not have to run the table.
