Beckman to UT

factman · Post by **factman** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:28 pm

It is being report on a UT website that Beckman's salary will be $360,000 plus incentives for five years.

http://www.toledorockets.com/

TG1996 · Post by **TG1996** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:29 pm

factman wrote:It is being report on a UT website that Beckman's salary will be $360,000 plus incentives for five years.

http://www.toledorockets.com/

I've heard that somewhere before....

Globetrotter · Post by **Globetrotter** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:38 pm

takeoffeh wrote:Ferraro? From what I remember, he was a very intense individual. Players had a lot of respect for him. Kind of a "take no crap" mentality. I liked him.

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hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:49 pm

Warthog wrote:
hammb wrote:I had 1470 on in the car when I was coming back from lunch and I caught the intro with Norm as they were going to the press conference to introduce coach Beckman at UT. I don't know what his sources are, but Norm reported that BG really wanted him as well and there almost became something of a race between the two schools to sign him, and UT obviously won.

I find it hard to believe they were ready to move on signing a new coach already, but it is interesting. I don't think we'll ever get a real straight answer, but I'm curious if UT just stole our #1 choice.
Ok, since you touched on the issue to some extent, I have to wonder, did Beckman prefer Toledo to BG? I mean, he's been here, he knows what BG is, he should be hating UT, right? Yet at a point in time when he would be a candidtate for both jobs, he picks Toledo before BG even gets to talk to him possibly. Is there anything we could read into this? Gotta say, if we seriously wanted Beckman, I'm disappointed he picked the arch rival of a school he already coached at and was also a candidate for.

Given the two jobs side by side I'd probably have a hard time taking the BG position. As somebody mentioned I don't know if BG can get to $360k per year. I hope to god that we're at least thinking close to $300k, but we might not be, I have no idea what the budget we're working with is.

At BG & UT you have two historically great MAC programs...both should consistently be among the best teams in the conference. Geographically they're pretty close. One, however, is in a much larger metropolitan area. While BG isn't that far away a LOT of people in Toledo think of it as a world away...you cannot believe how many people look shocked when I tell them I commute from BG every day. That perception helps them in recruiting by keeping Toledo kids at home, if they want them. It REALLY helps them in corporate sponsorship and attendance, both areas where BG struggles to keep up.

Obviously we'd hate to think that he has any inside info that would make him choose UT over BG, and he may very well have, but I think it's more likely he was just viewing the two jobs on equal footing. I don't think it's a stretch to say that the UT job would be more enticing to an outsider than the BG job is.

I also think that the way the previous coaches left their positions might make UT look like the easier act to follow as well. Both guys had some early success before falling off, but I think the past 3 years have put UT's expectations pretty low. BG has had championship aspirations the past few years and fallen short. Right now the bar for success is clearly higher at BG...not sure how that would play into it either.

takeoffeh · Post by **takeoffeh** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:53 pm

One could look at Beckman's decision for UT over BGSU (If that was the case) this way. Which program was worse off, and could have a bigger turn-around with a new head coach? In my opinion, it would be easier to make a bigger change at UT than BGSU.

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whatbgshouldbe · Post by **whatbgshouldbe** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:59 pm

To be honest, I didn’t follow Oklahoma states defense at all, and for his time at Ohio state I have a strong feeling that the talent he was given and the other coaches around him made it tough to put a bad defense out on the field, but again, I wasn’t there so all I can offer is my own opinions on my experiences so ill try to do that.

I can offer a few reasons why I am relieved that Beckman will be your coach and not ours.

Also, I feel that we only had a top-notch defense during Blackney's final season and urban's first year. The remaining years that Beckman was at BG I didn’t feel our defense was nearly as strong as those two years. Yes in blackneys final season we were 2-9, but our defense kept us in every mac game that season, it was just too bad our offense was the worst I have ever seen.

I feel there are two main reasons why Beckman was successful at bowling green.

1- in my opinion, the players played hard for their respective position coaches than Beckman. The way Beckman challenge players and attempted to motivate them rarely worked, and he would often throw his little tantrums that would force players to do all they could to prevent themselves from laughing. We were very lucky to have some great assistant coaches that did a great job coaching and preparing our players

2- the main reason why our defense was fantastic for a few years was talent. Outside of Oklahoma I have never seen a better defensive line and linebacking core than we had during urban Meyers first season. Chris glantzis, ryan wingrove, brandon hicks & khary cambpell all had NFL or near NFL talent, and chris haneline, alex glantzis and were fantastic all mac players. gary fisher was also an outstanding linebacker and dj owchar was another great d lineman. janson patten and keon newson were great corners and chad long/sergio lund were very talented at safety positions.

Its unfortunate that it wasn’t until after the bulk of those players left the program the offense finally got to performing at a very high level.

We still had some great defensive players after 2001, but in my opinion our defense became the weak part of our team and I don’t consider that success as a defensive coordinator.

I don’t think Beckman is a terrible DC, he has done good work and he is a smart man, but I will stick by my opinion that I don’t feel he is a head coach that I would want to see lead bowling green on the field. I expect a lot from a head coach as an individual and a leader, and I don’t feel Beckman is a guy that will garner the top to bottom respect that you need in order to maintain the level of performance on the field and in the classroom that I expect from my falcons.

I wish Beckman luck and I feel he is a good defensive coach, I just don’t see him as a head coach.

I do think that by switching from amstutz to Beckman UT will be able to carry a lot more fuel on any plain trips.

Had to lighten it up a little bit.

etipton12 · Post by **etipton12** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:12 pm

whatbgshouldbe wrote:
I do think that by switching from amstutz to Beckman UT will be able to carry a lot more fuel on any plain trips.

Had to lighten it up a little bit.

well played sir, well played

TopDawg · Post by **TopDawg** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:40 pm

I will say that I've heard that there are some hard feelings between Beckman and BGSU for the fact that he wanted the job before Brandon. That was the main reason that he left for OSU.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:57 pm

TopDawg wrote:I will say that I've heard that there are some hard feelings between Beckman and BGSU for the fact that he wanted the job before Brandon. That was the main reason that he left for OSU.

Good point. It will be interesting to see how Beckman does with that context in mind. If he proves to be a top notch head coach it will certainly have to make us wonder about the hiring choice we made before the '03 season.

Falconwise · Post by **Falconwise** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:21 pm

I'm not sure what "whatbgshouldbe" s affiliation with the program was but Tim Beckman was respected by most players. As with any orgainization, some liked him and some hated him but he was and is a very good coach and I wish him success. Coach Beckman worked hard at creating a family atmosphere and players were always at his home. Beckmand didn't get hired by OSU or the other OSU because players "tried not to laugh at him".

Brandon's downfall was the undoing of all things Urban when it came to team building and discipline. He lost control of the team and the team became very segmented. Brandon is a great OC and I wish him the best.

Time will tell if Beckman is a head coach. By the way,he was not being considered for the BG job. He was well into the process at UT before GB was cut lose.

Ziggy Zoomba!!!!

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:27 pm

[quote="whatbgshouldbe"]"Also, I feel that we only had a top-notch defense during Blackney's final season and urban's first year. The remaining years that Beckman was at BG I didn’t feel our defense was nearly as strong as those two years. Yes in blackneys final season we were 2-9, but our defense kept us in every mac game that season, it was just too bad our offense was the worst I have ever seen".

Totally agree. Our D was great...the O was bad

"2- the main reason why our defense was fantastic for a few years was talent. Outside of Oklahoma I have never seen a better defensive line and linebacking core than we had during urban Meyers first season. Chris glantzis, ryan wingrove, brandon hicks & khary cambpell all had NFL or near NFL talent, and chris haneline, alex glantzis and were fantastic all mac players. gary fisher was also an outstanding linebacker and dj owchar was another great d lineman. janson patten and keon newson were great corners and chad long/sergio lund were very talented at safety positions".

Man, those are some great past D players...just great.

whatbgshouldbe · Post by **whatbgshouldbe** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:49 pm

[quote="Falconwise"]I'm not sure what "whatbgshouldbe" s affiliation with the program was but Tim Beckman was respected by most players. As with any orgainization, some liked him and some hated him but he was and is a very good coach and I wish him success. Coach Beckman worked hard at creating a family atmosphere and players were always at his home. Beckmand didn't get hired by OSU or the other OSU because players "tried not to laugh at him".

Brandon's downfall was the undoing of all things Urban when it came to team building and discipline. He lost control of the team and the team became very segmented. Brandon is a great OC and I wish him the best.

Time will tell if Beckman is a head coach. By the way,he was not being considered for the BG job. He was well into the process at UT before GB was cut lose.

Ziggy Zoomba!!!![/quote]

I didn't say that Beckman wasn't respected, but if you were in a huddle or a meeting when he threw a tantrum you would find it hard not to laugh.

You are correct about him creating the family atmosphere, he was a great recruiter he did care for his players as individuals, but only while you played for him, unlike some coaches there is zero contact after he is no longer affiliated with the university in which he coached you.

Side note... I wish beckman luck in life, health and family, just not so much at his current program.

I agree with you on why the program declined post Urban.

etipton12 · Post by **etipton12** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:57 pm

Falconwise wrote:Time will tell if Beckman is a head coach. By the way,he was not being considered for the BG job. He was well into the process at UT before GB was cut lose.

Interesting.

hammb · Post by **hammb** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:00 pm

etipton12 wrote:
Falconwise wrote:Time will tell if Beckman is a head coach. By the way,he was not being considered for the BG job. He was well into the process at UT before GB was cut lose.
Interesting.

And a LOT more believable than Norm's story of us in a rush to sign him. When you think about it it's pretty hard to believe we'd be in a rush to sign a guy only 5 days after we fired our coach. Just doesn't make sense that we wouldn't be taking more candidates under consideration.

Falconfreak90 · Post by **Falconfreak90** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:01 pm

hammb wrote:
etipton12 wrote:
Falconwise wrote:Time will tell if Beckman is a head coach. By the way,he was not being considered for the BG job. He was well into the process at UT before GB was cut lose.
Interesting.
And a LOT more believable than Norm's story of us in a rush to sign him. When you think about it it's pretty hard to believe we'd be in a rush to sign a guy only 5 days after we fired our coach. Just doesn't make sense that we wouldn't be taking more candidates under consideration.

Absolutely. Amstutz resigned pretty early in the season, no? UT had time to do the homework and research. We know GC said it was in the EMU and Miami game timeframe when he really started leaning one way. He's under some pretty BiG pressure to deliver a knockout hire so it makes sense it will take some time. How much? We'll see...

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