Bowl Question

[Globetrotter]

I believe the rule is that you can't take a 6-6 team while their are 7-5 teams available.

[bgsufalcon24]

I believe the rule is that you can't take a 6-6 team while their are 7-5 teams available.

That's correct, if you're talking solely about at-large spots.

If a conference has a certain number of bowl tie-ins, the 6-6 teams from that conference, if needed, will go in front of a 7-5 team. But in terms of at-large selections, teams with at least 7 wins must be taken before a 6-6 team can be taken. Given the number of teams actually eligible right now, if BG gets to 7 wins, we're a lock. They'll have to break into the 6-6 at large teams just to fill up the 68 spots.

[Globetrotter]

Here is another look at what you just posted. I believe your numbers are slightly off and we are an absolute lock if we win. There will be 70-71 bowl eligible teams for the 68 spots.

Locks

1 Alabama 1 11.-.0
2 Florida 2 11.-.0
3 Texas 5 11.-.0
4 Cincinnati 4 10.-.0
5 TCU 8 11.-.0
6 Boise St 6 11.-.0
7 GT 10 10.-.1
8 Pitt 13 9.-.1
9 Oregon 7 9.-.2
10 OSU 26 10.-.2
11 BYU 21 9.-.2
12 Iowa 3 10.-.2
13 Oklahoma St. 15 9.-.2
14 Houston 14 9.-.2
15 Penn State 11 10.-.2
16 Utah 12 9.-.2
17 C Michigan 18 9.-.2
18 Temple 30 9.-.2
19 LSU 9 8.-.3
20 Rutgers 23 7.-.3
21 Wisconsin 24 8.-.3
22 S Florida 20 7.-.3
23 West Virginia 16 7.-.3
24 USC 17 7.-.3
25 Miami (fl) 19 8.-.3
26 Troy 29 8.-.3
27 California 28 8.-.3
28 Va Tech 33 8.-.3
29 Ole Miss 34 8.-.3
30 Navy 35 8.-.3
31 Nebraska 36 8.-.3
32 North Carolina 40 8.-.3
33 Oregon St. 42 8.-.3
34 Ohio 43 8.-.3
35 Mid Tenn St. 47 8.-.3
36 Clemson 52 8.-.3
37 Nevada 54 8.-.3
38 Northwestern 57 8.-.4
39 BC 39 7.-.4
40 Stanford 44 7.-.4
41 N Illinois 49 7.-.4
42 Missouri 37 7.-.4
43 Auburn 38 7.-.4
44 Texas Tech 41 7.-.4
45 Idaho 22 7.-.4
46 East Carolina 45 7.-.4
47 UCF 50 7.-.4
48 Fresno St 53 7.-.4
49 S Miss 58 7.-.4
50 Air Force 62 7.-.5
51 Kentucky 71 7.-.4
52 Arkansas 73 7.-.4

Teams that can get to 7 wins

53 Arizona 27 6.-.4
54 Notre Dame 25 6.-.5
55 Oklahoma 48 6.-.5
56 Georgia 70 6.-.5
57 SMU 72 6.-.5
58 Louisiana-Monroe 66 6.-.5
59 S. Carolina 32 6.-.5
60 Texas AnM 46 6.-.5
61 Marshall 56 6.-.5
62 LA Lafayette 67 6.-.5
63 Tennessee 74 6.-.5
64 FSU 76 6.-.5
65 UCLA 84 6.-.5
66 Bowling Green 87 6.-.5
67 Connecticut 65 5.-.5

Teams already at 6-6

68 Iowa State 59 6.-.6
69 Kansas St. 60 6.-.6
70 Minnesota 61 6.-.6
71 Michigan St. 80 6.-.6

If we don't win we could very well be one of the 3 teams that don't go bowling. 2 teams if UCONN loses out.

I imagine it would come down to us La Lafayette, La Monroe and SMU for the final spots. I have no idea about their fan bases or how they travel. But they are in the south so that might be mean more people just due to proximity.

Needed to add these potential teams to the mix. It was my error to leave them out. We might just be up against a few more teams if we lose. 9 teams can be added to the mix with a win.

72 Duke 51 5.-.6
73 Kent 63 5.-.6
74 Kansas 31 5.-.6
75 Wyoming 69 5.-.6
76 UAB 94 5.-.6
77 W Michigan 81 5.-.6
78 Toledo 79 5.-.6
79 Army 90 5.-.6
80 Hawaii 101 5.-.6

My guess is if we win we are automatic but if we lose there are just too many attractive teams to pass us by. Duke and Kansas are sure bets.

[AyZiggy97]

Here is another look at what you just posted. I believe your numbers are slightly off and we are an absolute lock if we win. There will be 70-71 bowl eligible teams for the 68 spots.

Locks

1 Alabama 1 11.-.0
2 Florida 2 11.-.0
3 Texas 5 11.-.0
4 Cincinnati 4 10.-.0
5 TCU 8 11.-.0
6 Boise St 6 11.-.0
7 GT 10 10.-.1
8 Pitt 13 9.-.1
9 Oregon 7 9.-.2
10 OSU 26 10.-.2
11 BYU 21 9.-.2
12 Iowa 3 10.-.2
13 Oklahoma St. 15 9.-.2
14 Houston 14 9.-.2
15 Penn State 11 10.-.2
16 Utah 12 9.-.2
17 C Michigan 18 9.-.2
18 Temple 30 9.-.2
19 LSU 9 8.-.3
20 Rutgers 23 7.-.3
21 Wisconsin 24 8.-.3
22 S Florida 20 7.-.3
23 West Virginia 16 7.-.3
24 USC 17 7.-.3
25 Miami (fl) 19 8.-.3
26 Troy 29 8.-.3
27 California 28 8.-.3
28 Va Tech 33 8.-.3
29 Ole Miss 34 8.-.3
30 Navy 35 8.-.3
31 Nebraska 36 8.-.3
32 North Carolina 40 8.-.3
33 Oregon St. 42 8.-.3
34 Ohio 43 8.-.3
35 Mid Tenn St. 47 8.-.3
36 Clemson 52 8.-.3
37 Nevada 54 8.-.3
38 Northwestern 57 8.-.4
39 BC 39 7.-.4
40 Stanford 44 7.-.4
41 N Illinois 49 7.-.4
42 Missouri 37 7.-.4
43 Auburn 38 7.-.4
44 Texas Tech 41 7.-.4
45 Idaho 22 7.-.4
46 East Carolina 45 7.-.4
47 UCF 50 7.-.4
48 Fresno St 53 7.-.4
49 S Miss 58 7.-.4
50 Air Force 62 7.-.5
51 Kentucky 71 7.-.4
52 Arkansas 73 7.-.4

Teams that can get to 7 wins

53 Arizona 27 6.-.4
54 Notre Dame 25 6.-.5
55 Oklahoma 48 6.-.5
56 Georgia 70 6.-.5
57 SMU 72 6.-.5
58 Louisiana-Monroe 66 6.-.5
59 S. Carolina 32 6.-.5
60 Texas AnM 46 6.-.5
61 Marshall 56 6.-.5
62 LA Lafayette 67 6.-.5
63 Tennessee 74 6.-.5
64 FSU 76 6.-.5
65 UCLA 84 6.-.5
66 Bowling Green 87 6.-.5
67 Connecticut 65 5.-.5

Teams already at 6-6

68 Iowa State 59 6.-.6
69 Kansas St. 60 6.-.6
70 Minnesota 61 6.-.6
71 Michigan St. 80 6.-.6

If we don't win we could very well be one of the 3 teams that don't go bowling. 2 teams if UCONN loses out.

I imagine it would come down to us La Lafayette, La Monroe and SMU for the final spots. I have no idea about their fan bases or how they travel. But they are in the south so that might be mean more people just due to proximity.

Needed to add these potential teams to the mix. It was my error to leave them out. We might just be up against a few more teams if we lose. 9 teams can be added to the mix with a win.

72 Duke 51 5.-.6
73 Kent 63 5.-.6
74 Kansas 31 5.-.6
75 Wyoming 69 5.-.6
76 UAB 94 5.-.6
77 W Michigan 81 5.-.6
78 Toledo 79 5.-.6
79 Army 90 5.-.6
80 Hawaii 101 5.-.6

My guess is if we win we are automatic but if we lose there are just too many attractive teams to pass us by. Duke and Kansas are sure bets.

Maybe a little better grooming would help push us over the top, err, wait...

[AyZiggy97]

Here is another look at what you just posted. I believe your numbers are slightly off and we are an absolute lock if we win. There will be 70-71 bowl eligible teams for the 68 spots.

Locks

1 Alabama 1 11.-.0
2 Florida 2 11.-.0
3 Texas 5 11.-.0
4 Cincinnati 4 10.-.0
5 TCU 8 11.-.0
6 Boise St 6 11.-.0
7 GT 10 10.-.1
8 Pitt 13 9.-.1
9 Oregon 7 9.-.2
10 OSU 26 10.-.2
11 BYU 21 9.-.2
12 Iowa 3 10.-.2
13 Oklahoma St. 15 9.-.2
14 Houston 14 9.-.2
15 Penn State 11 10.-.2
16 Utah 12 9.-.2
17 C Michigan 18 9.-.2
18 Temple 30 9.-.2
19 LSU 9 8.-.3
20 Rutgers 23 7.-.3
21 Wisconsin 24 8.-.3
22 S Florida 20 7.-.3
23 West Virginia 16 7.-.3
24 USC 17 7.-.3
25 Miami (fl) 19 8.-.3
26 Troy 29 8.-.3
27 California 28 8.-.3
28 Va Tech 33 8.-.3
29 Ole Miss 34 8.-.3
30 Navy 35 8.-.3
31 Nebraska 36 8.-.3
32 North Carolina 40 8.-.3
33 Oregon St. 42 8.-.3
34 Ohio 43 8.-.3
35 Mid Tenn St. 47 8.-.3
36 Clemson 52 8.-.3
37 Nevada 54 8.-.3
38 Northwestern 57 8.-.4
39 BC 39 7.-.4
40 Stanford 44 7.-.4
41 N Illinois 49 7.-.4
42 Missouri 37 7.-.4
43 Auburn 38 7.-.4
44 Texas Tech 41 7.-.4
45 Idaho 22 7.-.4
46 East Carolina 45 7.-.4
47 UCF 50 7.-.4
48 Fresno St 53 7.-.4
49 S Miss 58 7.-.4
50 Air Force 62 7.-.5
51 Kentucky 71 7.-.4
52 Arkansas 73 7.-.4

Teams that can get to 7 wins

53 Arizona 27 6.-.4
54 Notre Dame 25 6.-.5
55 Oklahoma 48 6.-.5
56 Georgia 70 6.-.5
57 SMU 72 6.-.5
58 Louisiana-Monroe 66 6.-.5
59 S. Carolina 32 6.-.5
60 Texas AnM 46 6.-.5
61 Marshall 56 6.-.5
62 LA Lafayette 67 6.-.5
63 Tennessee 74 6.-.5
64 FSU 76 6.-.5
65 UCLA 84 6.-.5
66 Bowling Green 87 6.-.5
67 Connecticut 65 5.-.5

Teams already at 6-6

68 Iowa State 59 6.-.6
69 Kansas St. 60 6.-.6
70 Minnesota 61 6.-.6
71 Michigan St. 80 6.-.6

If we don't win we could very well be one of the 3 teams that don't go bowling. 2 teams if UCONN loses out.

I imagine it would come down to us La Lafayette, La Monroe and SMU for the final spots. I have no idea about their fan bases or how they travel. But they are in the south so that might be mean more people just due to proximity.

Needed to add these potential teams to the mix. It was my error to leave them out. We might just be up against a few more teams if we lose. 9 teams can be added to the mix with a win.

72 Duke 51 5.-.6
73 Kent 63 5.-.6
74 Kansas 31 5.-.6
75 Wyoming 69 5.-.6
76 UAB 94 5.-.6
77 W Michigan 81 5.-.6
78 Toledo 79 5.-.6
79 Army 90 5.-.6
80 Hawaii 101 5.-.6

My guess is if we win we are automatic but if we lose there are just too many attractive teams to pass us by. Duke and Kansas are sure bets.

Duke is apparently ineligible even if they get to 6 wins. One came against N.C. Central, meaning they needed 7. AP: "The Blue Devils conclude the 2009 season next Saturday at home against Wake Forest."

Hawaii needs to win its last 2 games and get to 7 total. It beat Cental Arkansas.

Any little bit helps.

Also, Army-Navy isn't until Dec. 12. So, it could be a while before that EagleBank bowl gets figured out....along with several others.

[Globetrotter]

I had forgotten that you can't play a D2 school and count it as a win for the bowls. If someone can give that exact rule that would be great.
Here are the teams that we will be up against if it comes down to us at 6-6 and their D2 wins

53 Arizona 27 6.-.4 W v N Arizona
54 Notre Dame 25 6.-.5
55 Oklahoma 48 6.-.5 W v Idaho St.
56 Georgia 70 6.-.5
57 SMU 72 6.-.5 W v Stephen F Austin
58 Louisiana-Monroe 66 6.-.5 W v Texas Southern
59 S. Carolina 32 6.-.5 W v SC State
60 Texas AnM 46 6.-.5
61 Marshall 56 6.-.5 W v Southern Illinois
62 LA Lafayette 67 6.-.5 W v Southern
63 Tennessee 74 6.-.5
64 FSU 76 6.-.5 W v Jacksonville St.
65 UCLA 84 6.-.5
66 Bowling Green 87 6.-.5
67 Connecticut 65 5.-.5 W v Rhode Island
68X Iowa State 59 6.-.6 W v ND State
69X Kansas St. 60 6.-.6 W v Mass and Tenn Tech
70 Minnesota 61 6.-.6 W v S Dakota St.
71 Michigan St. 80 6.-.6 W v Montana St.
72 Duke 51 5.-.6 W v NC Central
73 Kent 63 5.-.6 W v Coastal Carolina
74 Kansas 31 5.-.6 W v N Colorado
75 Wyoming 69 5.-.6 W v Weber St
76 UAB 94 5.-.6
77 W Michigan 81 5.-.6 W v Hofstra
78 Toledo 79 5.-.6
79 Army 90 5.-.6 W v VMI
80 Hawaii 101 5.-.6 W v Central Arkansas

Dependant on the rule alot of these teams wont get to 6 Division 1 wins.

If this is accurate it disqualifies all but 2 of the 5-6 teams.

I have heard nothing about Michigan State and Minnesota not being eligible? Has anyone else? What is the rule?

[Globetrotter]

Much ado about nothing. Here is the rule...

The NCAA allows one victory per season over a Division I FCS (formerly I-AA) team to count toward an FBS team's bowl eligibility, so long as the FCS team has supplied financial aid for football averaging out to at least 56.7 full scholarships (90% of the limit of 63 allowed to FCS schools) over "a rolling two-year period" that can include the current season.[2]

Looks like Kansas State is out though.

[MACMAN]

So if BG does go to this bowl. The pay out is million per team.
The Mac divides that up 11 ways?

[falconjw]

I'm projecting 73 bowl eligible teams... that leaves 5 at home. If we beat Toledo that will give us the nod over Western and Kent State and should lock us into a bowl game. I can't imagine a bowl taking Louisiana-Monroe or Lafayette. You gotta remember that bowl have contracts to fill via leagues first. If they can't fill their contracted spots then they have their choice of remaining teams that are eligible.