Toledo to host Hurricanes?

[Drago]

The game isn't for 5 years, so you can't predict how Miami will be, but on tradition alone it is a great home game. They will sell it out more than likely and they'll make some money off that one. I would say it puts some pressure on the other ADs in the MAC to start getting some better deals when scheduling. As much as I hate to say it, I think Toledo is taking some big steps to be relevant again in football.

[Redwingtom]

Yeah, Miami is not what they were currently, but the game is also 5 seasons away. They could very well be a national power again.

EDIT: Drago, you owe me a coke...LOL

[threestooges]

I wonder if Beckman will come back to Toledo to watch the Miami game? Probably depends upon the 2015 schedule of the school where he's an assistant coach or color commentator.

[JoeFalcon]

You can say this, but I'm still jealous! I hate Toledo, don't get me wrong, but they have something good going on there getting schools to visit South Detroit. You complain that they schools they bring in are not BCS caliber and aren't any good, but why would you want to bring in schools that will just crush you on a regular basis?

Understood. At face value it looks like something the Beckman/Bancroft street hype machine can milk for all it's worth. But now that it's come out Miami's motivation is to save a six or possibly seven figure guarantee payout, it takes the edge off a little.

I'm simply not going to get orgiastic over scheduling a team whose heyday has long since past, and if that makes me a "damn fool" (according to one) then so be it.

[BGDrew]

Toledo should schedule this game for late November.

[Chimie]

Looking around at scheduling every year, I notice Mac teams pop up all over on Major school schedules, and not just Big 10. Sure, Michigan, OSU, Penn St. play a MAC team every year, but look at the Alabama, Florida, and such, and I wonder, if Western Michigan is scheduling against Alabama, why are we scheduling the SEMO states? Isn't that what the big six are supposed to do? I like having a nice W column, but still, playing against the big schools gives you a chance at the upsets, and thats all us non-big 6 have.

[h2oville rocket]

I'm simply not going to get orgiastic over scheduling a team whose heyday has long since past, and if that makes me a "damn fool" (according to one) then so be it.

JF, in my opinion that is NOT what makes you a "damn fool".

[duckunder53]

A couple thoughts:

You can say this, but I'm still jealous! I hate Toledo, don't get me wrong, but they have something good going on there getting schools to visit South Detroit.

I thought Houston was South Detroit.

No, we're more North Mexico.

[MarkL]

Looking around at scheduling every year, I notice Mac teams pop up all over on Major school schedules, and not just Big 10. Sure, Michigan, OSU, Penn St. play a MAC team every year, but look at the Alabama, Florida, and such, and I wonder, if Western Michigan is scheduling against Alabama, why are we scheduling the SEMO states? Isn't that what the big six are supposed to do? I like having a nice W column, but still, playing against the big schools gives you a chance at the upsets, and thats all us non-big 6 have.

The last time we played a 1AA team was 2004 against SEMO St. Let's look at our recent and current non-conf teams:

2007
Minnesota, MSU - Big 10
Boston College - ACC
WKU - Sun Belt (sorta)
2008
Pitt - Big East
Minnesota - Big 10
Boise State - WAC, finished 12-0 regular season, WAC champs
Wyoming - MWC
2009
Troy - defending and eventual Sun Belt Champs
Missouri - Defending bowl champs and Big 12 North champs
Marshall - eventual bowl champs, C-USA
Boise State - defending 12-0 regular season, eventually finished 12-0 and BCS bowl champs
2010
Troy - defending Sun Belt Champs
Tulsa - C-USA, coming off a down year
Marshall - defending bowl champs
Michigan - Big 10, on the rebound

I don't see any SEMO States on there. We're not scheduling cupcakes by any means. I mean, look at last year's non-conf slate. All four went to bowl games. I expect the same out of this year's non-conf slate.

[factman]

I don't think anyone is questioning WHO we play but
WHERE we play them. We need one BIG OOC game at home every year.

[JoeFalcon]

JF, in my opinion that is NOT what makes you a "damn fool".

Tell me about it. We'd need a bigger server to handle that list.

[rocketfootball]

You can say this, but I'm still jealous! I hate Toledo, don't get me wrong, but they have something good going on there getting schools to visit South Detroit. You complain that they schools they bring in are not BCS caliber and aren't any good, but why would you want to bring in schools that will just crush you on a regular basis?

Understood. At face value it looks like something the Beckman/Bancroft street hype machine can milk for all it's worth. But now that it's come out Miami's motivation is to save a six or possibly seven figure guarantee payout, it takes the edge off a little.

I'm simply not going to get orgiastic over scheduling a team whose heyday has long since past, and if that makes me a "damn fool" (according to one) then so be it.

I don't understand why you are talking about Miami saving so much money by not paying Toledo. Normally a home and home series has off-setting payments, and actually that is the case here. In 2015 Toledo is paying Miami $300K to come to the Glass Bowl. Then in 2016 Miami will pay Toledo $300K to come to Miami Gardens, FL. That's not a lot of money either way, and it basically is to cover the travel expenses for both teams, but even if it was a higher amount, both teams would get the higher amount....one in each year. It's not like a 2 for 1 deal or something where the team playing 2 road games gets a nice payout twice....and even then, a lot of times those two payouts equal the one payout they have to give the other team to come to their place for the one home game.

Bottomline, Miami's getting a home game where they get to keep the money minus the payout and Toledo's getting a home game where they get to keep the money minus the payout.


As for Miami, they aren't a national championship caliber team right now, but they did go 9-4 (5-3 ACC) last year, defeating eventual ACC Champ Georgia Tech 33-17. It's not like the Hurricanes are as bad as they were a couple of years ago. And that said, who knows how good Miami or Toledo will be in 2015 and 2016.


As for those UT home games mentioned earlier in this thread, you missed Kansas (2006) and Iowa State (2007). Kansas was just starting to get good at that point, so they weren't great and Iowa State was bad, but both of those were winnable games against BCS teams......and UT won them both. Also, future schedules for Toledo have home and home deals with Iowa State (again, 2nd home and home deal with them) and Missouri. Again, too early to tell if Missouri will be good in 2013, but that's the way it is when you schedule games in advanced, and that is the way things are done. Navy is not a BCS school, but Toledo has a future home and home with them as well.

[JoeFalcon]

Bottomline, Miami's getting a home game where they get to keep the money minus the payout and Toledo's getting a home game where they get to keep the money minus the payout.

Correct, and who makes more money off of their home games? The team that plays at an NFL facility or the team that plays at the Glass Bowl?

Not having to make a huge payout is a big deal. Ohio State reportedly paid Navy a cool $1 million to come to their place. Arkansas State will get a million to play Tennessee. Concession revenue at the Glass Bowl (even if Amstutz is good for at least $300 in hot dogs) for one home game can't possibly make that up.

They are taking a calculated risk by losing gauranteed money in favor of gaining a home game, but the problem is that Miami is no longer the elite program that would warrent such a gamble. Maybe they will be, or maybe O'Brien will be long gone and leave the next athletic director wondering how all that money could have been left on the table.

[rocketfootball]

Bottomline, Miami's getting a home game where they get to keep the money minus the payout and Toledo's getting a home game where they get to keep the money minus the payout.

Correct, and who makes more money off of their home games? The team that plays at an NFL facility or the team that plays at the Glass Bowl?

Not having to make a huge payout is a big deal. Ohio State reportedly paid Navy a cool $1 million to come to their place. Arkansas State will get a million to play Tennessee. Concession revenue at the Glass Bowl (even if Amstutz is good for at least $300 in hot dogs) for one home game can't possibly make that up.

They are taking a calculated risk by losing gauranteed money in favor of gaining a home game, but the problem is that Miami is no longer the elite program that would warrent such a gamble. Maybe they will be, or maybe O'Brien will be long gone and leave the next athletic director wondering how all that money could have been left on the table.

I guess I don't understand your logic. Sure, Navy is getting a lot to come to Ohio State.......but Navy is not getting a return game, are they? If they are, how much are they paying OSU to come there? Arkansas State is getting a million to play Tennessee......I bet they are not hosting Tennessee though, are they? Are you saying Toledo should just play a one game road payday at Miami and not get a home game? If you're trying to say Toledo needs a money game in there, we just made a ton on OSU last year (I mean a ton), a nice payday game from Michigan in 2009, and we have a future road payday game scheduled with Florida where I heard anywhere from $800K to $1Million as the payday.

And if all you play is payday road games to make money, then you get stuck hosting a bunch of FCS (I-AA) schools to equal out your schedules so that you at least play 5 home games a year.

Whether Miami is contending for a national title or not, they have national presence. Everyone knows who they are. The common person in Toledo probably wouldn't know or even care if Miami was 11-2 or 9-4, which is the difference you are talking about right now. Nobody will be wondering about this deal, whether O'Brien is still there or Toledo has a new AD. Even given the current stadium capacity, which Toledo can get about 30K in despite the capacity listing of 26,248, if Toledo sells tickets for just $40 per person you are talking in the neighborhood of $1Million in ticket revenue. If they sold 30K at $40 it would be $1.2Mill, but I took out 8K from that number to factor in students and got $880K. And honestly, if Toledo charges $34 per ticket for games against Bowling Green and Northern Illinois, I would think they can charge more than $40 per ticket for the Miami Hurricanes and still sell out.

[Redwingtom]

Take it from me Joe, get out while you still can