Sideline Scouting Seven Round Mock

[Warthog]

Claiborne is said to have gotten a four on the Wonderlic....if true, that's the lowest score ever. That could cause him to drop a bit...

If true, there is no way I'd take him.

[Globetrotter]

I am a Bengals fan and would actually consider Moore. I don't know much about his ability or inability to read defenses however, what I do know is that he makes the right pass a ridiculous amount of times. Moore completed 75% of his passes last year and if he did that without being able to read defenses imagine when he is taught to read a defense how good he can be. I don't think that he has NFL size or arm strength but he is a clear winner and he does not make mistakes. I would love for the Bengals to get him in the 7th or as a UDFA to eventually be Dalton's backup because I think he can be a smart backup game manager in the league. Beyond that I think his size and athletic limitations will keep him from doing much.

[Globetrotter]

What ESPN says

"A cerebral QB that does an efficient job of conducting a pro-style offense. Does a great job of getting pre/post snap reads. Diagnoses coverages quickly and has very good anticipation and timing with throws. A sound decision maker who can get through progressions and rarely forces throws into coverage. Understands the value of ball security and willing to take check downs. Holds a 142-28 TD/INT ratio through for his career. Extremely poised, efficient and effective QBs running the two-minute drill with the game on the line. "

[MarkL]

I don't like the Bengals at all but I'd be happy to see Moore go there as Dalton's backup. Dalton is pretty similar, a very smart and efficient passer. He did a lot with a little last year for sure. The Bengals were not a good team and had no business being anywhere near the playoffs but Dalton as a rookie got them there.

I'm a big Ravens fan and I live in Redskins territory. The fans out here are all positive that RGIII is going to be a Redskin and there's mixed feelings about that. Some are very excited about the first great QB prospect being drafted by the franchise in quite a while, and some others would much rather trade for an established QB and build around him. Ravens, not really sure what they'll address. They traded Lee Evans, thank God. He's the one that dropped the end zone pas against the Pats. I wouldn't mind them picking up a receiver and a corner early in the draft.

[Globetrotter]

I don't like the Bengals at all but I'd be happy to see Moore go there as Dalton's backup. Dalton is pretty similar, a very smart and efficient passer. He did a lot with a little last year for sure. The Bengals were not a good team and had no business being anywhere near the playoffs but Dalton as a rookie got them there.

I'm a big Ravens fan and I live in Redskins territory. The fans out here are all positive that RGIII is going to be a Redskin and there's mixed feelings about that. Some are very excited about the first great QB prospect being drafted by the franchise in quite a while, and some others would much rather trade for an established QB and build around him. Ravens, not really sure what they'll address. They traded Lee Evans, thank God. He's the one that dropped the end zone pas against the Pats. I wouldn't mind them picking up a receiver and a corner early in the draft.

Bengals have some pretty decent talent. Ravens are getting old.

[Falcon137]

The Bengals were not a good team and had no business being anywhere near the playoffs but Dalton as a rookie got them there.

AJ Green was a bigger impact than Dalton. The Bengals defense got them to the playoffs, a pretty talented team and very talented defense, even after losing Leon Hall.

Dalton was great as a rookie but was a game manager more than anything.

[Globetrotter]

Just reading up on Moore. He holds the NCAA record for interceptions per pass in a season. Again, I don't look at how he reads defenses that much but I just don't see how you could be unable to read the defense, complete 70%+ of your passes and break records in terms of the fewest interceptions thrown.

[hammb]

Just reading up on Moore. He holds the NCAA record for interceptions per pass in a season. Again, I don't look at how he reads defenses that much but I just don't see how you could be unable to read the defense, complete 70%+ of your passes and break records in terms of the fewest interceptions thrown.

The answer to that would be because college QBs in many (most) college offensive systems are never asked to read defenses ANYTHING like how NFL QBs do. Too often college QBs get to the line and look to the sideline for the presnap adjustments. Then in these spread systems part of that presnap is to tell the QB to look either right or left, based on the defensive alignment.

There aren't many colleges that run offensive schemes that ask their QB to read the defense presnap then take a 3-5-7 step drop while reading downfield and making the throw the 2nd that back foot hits. That is what is required in EVERY NFL offense, and there aren't probably more than 10-15 college teams that operate with a pro offense.

I've never said Kellen Moore can't read a defense. I'm saying you don't KNOW if he can read a defense because he's never been asked to the way NFL teams will ask him to. Just like Omar completed an insane percentage of his passes with 40 TDs and only 4 Ints, yet when he got to the NFL couldn't grasp the mental aspects of the position.

[Flipper]

Similarly...Tom Brady was ready to start in his 2nd year (in part ) because Michigan ran an NFL style offense under LLoyd Carr

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[hammb]

Interesting mock for the Browns. If they use the #67 pick on a midget QB like Wilson I'll probably flip my lid, but at least it's better than wasting #22 or #37 on the Geezer Weeden. I love Richardson the player, not sure how I feel about RB in the top 10, but he's probably the best player available. Not a fan of Wright, really. I'd much rather have Stephen Hill, personally. Love Massie though, he starts day 1 at RT for them.

Other than wasting a high 3rd rounder on a QB who will never play for them, I wouldn't complain too much though. Add a good slot WR, stud RB, and a starting RT...that'd be nice for the offense. Plus when McCoy again sucks ass he won't have any more excuses and we can grab one of the top QBs next year. Wilson or Barkley would REALLLY make me happy next year.

Yes, that's right Browns fans, in a new low I'm already more concerned with NEXT year's draft than this one. Gotta love rooting for that team....

[Warthog]

Not a fan of Wright, really.

Me either. Of all the WRs, I'd hate this pick the most. I kind of thought right off the bat that he might be a product of the system and QB, and not really that good. Then he had a really slow 40 time at the combine (slow for a top WR at least). Then I heard reports this week that he had 16% body fat at the combine. Shoot, I was measured a couple of weeks ago and I only had 14%! I wouldn't even think about drafting Wright.

Hammb, I agree with you about being hesitant to take a RB that high. But what are the alternatives? I'd be fine Claiborne. I'd take Richardson over Blackmon every time. If a team needs playmakers, like the Browns, why would you consider the guy that might touch the ball 5-6 times a game at best when you can take the guy who should touch it 25-30 times? Any other player would certainly be a reach at 4 and they could trade down and still get that player. NO WAY IN HELL do I want Tannehill at 4.

And I would disagree with you about Weeden. The only real knock on him is his age. Most experts say he would be a top 10/top 5 pick if he were 22. If he is there at 37, I'd be fine with taking him there. But at 22 I still want a RT or WR if they take Richardson at 4.

Given Luck and RGIII going one and two, my hope for the Browns is still that the Rams get anxious and trade their #6 and early second round pick to trade up to 4 to take Blackmon. The Bucs take Claiborne and the Browns still get Richardson. Then Weeden with one of the second round picks and a WR and RT with the 22 and other second rounder. That would address the four biggest issues with the offense with four of the top 37 picks.

[hammb]

I'm fine with Richardson @ 4. Don't like RB that high but I actually hate nearly every other prospect discussed at 4, so yeah, I'm fine with Richardson. This is just a horrendous draft at the top.

Seriously man...just say no to Brandon Weeden! He will be 29 years old a month into his ROOKIE year. He played in your standard college spread system and is just as raw as any other QB prospect. His age does NOT equate to development at all...he's still a rookie QB who has no experience in an NFL system. And then the biggest knocks on him are that he doesn't handle the blitz well (recognition or ability to beat it...hello Colt McCoy!). No THANK YOU.

The only knock may be age, but it's the biggest most important knock you can have. Firstly I think he looks better than he was because he's always been more physically developed than his competition. His arm is very good, but it's a 28 year old arm...we're used to scouting and watching 22 year old arms. Secondly, I don't see how you can possibly equate age with development in his case...he's done nothing to show you that he's ready to play right away. Would he be better than McCoy? Probably, but so would Tannehill, IMO.

I fully expect Brandon Weeden to take the standard rookie QB development timeline and by the time he does that he'll be 31-32 by the time he's an effective starter. Right about the time that he starts to grasp the game he'll be into the physical decline that all athletes face in their 30s. Everybody wants to say that QBs can play into their late 30s, but the truth is that it's pretty rare for a QB to be effective at the age of 35+. And those that are typically are HoF caliber guys that even when they start to decline are still really good.

My expectation for Brandon Weeden (if he hits, I think he carries your standard 50/50 at best as a prospect, which even the top QB prospects have) you're going to likely get 2-4 years of top level QB play. At the VERY best you MIGHT get 6 years, but the odds that they're 6 consecutive years are REALLY slim.

I'm sorry but I wouldn't take him until the 4th round at the EARLIEST. He's a slightly more talented Chris Weinke. In all honesty what would Brady Quinn do if you put him on Oklahoma State right now? Bet he'd light it up too...lots of 28 year old QBs can dominate college football. They SHOULD be able to. Much like the 28 year old pitcher that tears it up in AAA...they SHOULD be doing that.

Just remember, everybody touts Kurt Warner as somebody who didn't get a start until he was 28. At that time he was still 8 months younger than Weeden will be when the season begins. Warner had also been in multiple NFL camps, played & excelled in the Arena League, played & excelled in NFL Europe, and had spent an entire season as a backup on the Rams roster. He was light years more developed at the time of his first start than Weeden and STILL was almost a year younger.

I really don't think that people understand how historically far behind the learning curve that Weeden is.

[hammb]

I am honestly at the point where I don't care what the hell the Browns do so long as they don't draft a 29 year old rookie project QB.

[hammb]

People want to compare him to Roger Staubach as well. Staubach was 20 months younger than Weeden when he signed with the Cowboys. He still took multiple years to develop before becoming the starter. By the time he cemented his spot he gave Dallas 7 good seasons with 1 injured and 1 mediocre season thrown in.

And that was being almost 2 years younger than Weeden. And being one of the greatest college players of all time.

To expect even THAT many years out of him is probably expecting too much, and that's assuming he develops at all, which as a 29 year old rookie that played in a spread offense is certainly no guarantee.

Yes, this is my biggest draft pet peeve. Weeden is the one player in this draft that I will absolutely cringe when the Browns draft him (which they will because they're retarded). I haven't hated a draft prospect this much since Colt McCoy was the rage 2 years ago...