We missed on this kid-

[Germainfitch1]

I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat for your answer. [/quote]

You were waiting but did not reply?

[PGY Tiercel]

Rewrite you statment "Didn't Pope Not get redshirted". Translation "Did not Pope not get redshirted". I think what you meant to say (in way most intelligent people would have) was "Pope did not get redshirted". Double negatives are a contradiction.
JC, use the Damn Education your paying for.

[transfer2BGSU]

PJ Pope was not redshirted because he was a good recruit.

According to Coach Meyer, we did not have depth back when PJ was recruited.

I think Coach Meyer would also tell you that every player he recruited was a good recruit.

As for me, I think I'll listen to the guy making $2 million a year over someone that can't even spell his own screen name and makes no effort to even correct it.

[UK Peregrine]

Instead of Ay-ziggy Zoomba this webstie should be called the land of make beleive. You guys have the blinders on so tight its amazing. The truth is we didnt recruit all that well. If we did they would play as freshmen. Didnt Pope not get redshirted when Joe Alls was starting?

Interesting contradiction of yourself in just two sentences. Amazing. So Pope was a bad recruit becuase he didn't start as a frosh. Please let us in on the inside information on how good or poor this recruiting class is. You obviuosly know more than us and the coaches. Maybe you were the same person to rate Omar as the 52nd (per Rivals) best QB in the land in 2002. Where are the other 51 QBs from the class of 2002 who are better? I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat for your answer.

Where exactly is the contradiction? PJ Pope was not redshirted because he was a good recruit. That was my point. He was not redshirted despite talent in front of him. Where did I say he was a bad recruit? Someone tried to say that us redshirting all of our recruits spoke to our depth on the team and showed we were headed in a great direction. I responded by saying it may actually have nothing to do with our depth but rather the ability of the players we recruit.

Then someone said I contradicted myself, which I never came close too. I also didnt ever say anything about Jacobs. But the reality is that Jacobs was probably the 52nd best QB coming out that year. Didnt he have a bad injury prior? There are 117 teams in the NCAA. Each year every team tries to recruit about 1 QB. 52nd is middle of the road. I would not be too upset witht hat ranking. After all it is not where you start but rather where you finish. And he has leapfrogged nearly everyone on that list.

I'll be waiting on the edge of my seat for your answer. Evil or Very Mad

You were waiting but did not reply?

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you still wanted a response. PGY kind of hit my nail already but I'll drive home the point again real quick. You used a double negative in your first post, which makes it very difficult to read to begin with. When you say "Didnt Pope not get redshirted when Joe Alls was starting?", you actually mean Pope got redshirted, which you obviously didn't mean. I'll chalk that up to miscommunication between us. Secondly you make the claim that this is not a great class because they would play as freshmen if they were. I realize Coach B said he'd prefer not to have to play any of them and redshirt them all, but this is true about every coach in the nation. Everyone likes to think that the returning guys are heads and shoulds above the Frosh, but this doesn't work this way. The recruits seem to me to be a solid group, they just didn't heavily recruit the glamour positions this year. When this type of recruiting effort occurs, you'll never be rated high. In fact, we never have been rated very high in our recruiting efforts. Where BG succeeds is in maximizing the potential of our recruits in the system we have. In these terms, this an outstanding recruiting class because our system is obviously working on the offensive side but we needed some help on the defensive side of the ball. That's what this class is designed to hopefully fix.

Your second post was much more cogent. But I think T2BG addressed your rationalization on Pope playing as a true freshman.

[Germainfitch1]

Rewrite you statment "Didn't Pope Not get redshirted". Translation "Did not Pope not get redshirted". I think what you meant to say (in way most intelligent people would have) was "Pope did not get redshirted". Double negatives are a contradiction.
JC, use the Damn Education your paying for.

It should have been wasn't pope not redshirted, whioch is an acceptable use of a double negative. Also, Why dont you use the education you are paying for to logically assess that I made an error in syntax or grammar. It is very easy to understand what I was speaking of in the context of that message.

[windycityfalcon]

Just because something makes sense doesn't make it grammatically correct

[Germainfitch1]

I see the contradiction now and that makes perfect sense. It was an error in grammar but not an error in logic.

I don't feel this was a horrible recruiting class. I don't feel we should expect much more than this. What I feel is that it was not a strong recruiting class. Average is Average. 6th in the MAC is 6th in the MAC. If you recruit 6th in the MAC every year and the same teams are not always above you, you will be in the MAC race every year. In fact I would gamble that there are some great players in that class that will be studs at BG.

My argument was that I don't feel the fact that freshman are redshirting shows that this team has great depth and that we are moving in the right direction. I think that it could just as easily mean we did not recruit that well this year.

As far as Meyer saying we lack depth. He has said that about every team he had here as well as the team he had at Utah last year. He consistently has said that the only reason teams like ours and Utahs can not compete with the big boys consistently is a lack of depth. I dont need to make 2 million dollars to understand that.

[Germainfitch1]

I am sorry am I at the grammar rodeo or in an internet message board discussing football? I think I took a wrong turn.

[UK Peregrine]

I see the contradiction now and that makes perfect sense. It was an error in grammar but not an error in logic.

I don't feel this was a horrible recruiting class. I don't feel we should expect much more than this. What I feel is that it was not a strong recruiting class. Average is Average. 6th in the MAC is 6th in the MAC. If you recruit 6th in the MAC every year and the same teams are not always above you, you will be in the MAC race every year. In fact I would gamble that there are some great players in that class that will be studs at BG.

My argument was that I don't feel the fact that freshman are redshirting shows that this team has great depth and that we are moving in the right direction. I think that it could just as easily mean we did not recruit that well this year.

As far as Meyer saying we lack depth. He has said that about every team he had here as well as the team he had at Utah last year. He consistently has said that the only reason teams like ours and Utahs can not compete with the big boys consistently is a lack of depth. I dont need to make 2 million dollars to understand that.

Fair enough and well said.

[PGY Tiercel]

Grammar and spelling are an indication of intelligence. The reason that most people think Kentuckians (and other rural areas) are not the brightest is their lack of proper use of the English language. In my profession people don't look at the context in order to figure out what you are saying. Part of judging the quality of one's work is presentation. Because you couldn't adequatly make your point, others argued with you. If you had made the point correctly the first time, half of this thread wouldn't be here.

[Germainfitch1]

Grammar and spelling are an indication of intelligence. The reason that most people think Kentuckians (and other rural areas) are not the brightest is their lack of proper use of the English language. In my profession people don't look at the context in order to figure out what you are saying. Part of judging the quality of one's work is presentation. Because you couldn't adequatly make your point, others argued with you. If you had made the point correctly the first time, half of this thread wouldn't be here.

It would have also helped if you would not have taken yourself so seriously?

Part of my profession is using proper language and grammar. I graduated from BGSU with a Journalism degree just a year and a half ago. And top of my class. When this internet football forum becomes part of my profession I will be very happy. As of now it is simply an entertainment venue and a medium used to pass the time and for me to learn more about a few of the teams I used to love but don't get to see very often.